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Originally posted by aegis80
I'm not a shooter, like the OP I live in the UK, unlike him I live in a city and have never handled a firearm. But one thing puzzles me, it's the vehement anti-22 brigade that come out with arguments such as "it's not gonna put a man down in 1 shot" or "you're dead if he can hit you at 1000 yards and you can't hit back.
I dunno about the U.S, but here, there's precious few places I can think of where you could even get a 1000 yard sight line, let alone a useful 1000 yard field of fire. Very few people own firearms here, and far fewer would have access to anything bigger than a .22 - essentially only military personnel would, so to advise against a .22 as a SHTF weapon for this reason seems a little farcical to me. Especially when .22 is probably going to be the easiest round to scrounge up if everything does go pear shaped. (Reviewing this statement, I'll admit there are plenty of 1000 yard sight lines round here, all of them useful if you want to defend one desolate hilltop from attack from another desolate hilltop.)
As for it not being a man-stopper round, well, thankfully I've never been shot, and fully intend to keep that state of affairs.... However, surely being hit by a .22 even in the muscle of your arm or leg is gonna hurt like a bar*d? Enough to make most people slow down if not stop? Especially, if as other people have pointed out, the round has a tendency to bounce and fragment if it hits bone.
Originally posted by nuspy
reply to post by Highlandlad
You should ashame of yourself.
Do you whant to go hunting with a semi-auto rifle??? Have you ever heard about hunting ethic?
I actually don´t know laws in your country, but as in UK there is a well established hunting tradition I would guess that is forbidden: if it is not for case any colleague hunter you will meet will speet in front of your boots if he see you using a semi-auto rifle for hunting. You are not in the USA that has no hunting cultural background: remember hunting is a privilege, so hunters have to deserve to be that.
I suppose you will fail your hunting test if you won´t deeply modify your mentality. Anyhow hunting courses exist also for that, to let dudes have a possibility to lear hunting culture too.
Now, about the .22 LR.
I have one, I just use it for sessions at shooting center to keep myself in training (responsibility while hunting, to kill with one shot to avoid pain to my prey). I tested it on a roe deer head fawn I shooted with a 7 x 64 mm: ,22 bullets didn´t penetrate the bones of the scull: I was 5 meter away and I tried from more direction with different bullets (Stingers, Yellow Jackets, stb) and no result at all. I think you can´t use for such "big prey". May be can be used for foxes: also in this case the death won´t be immediate and the animal will suffer.
It is for that not ethic and you should avoid it to call yourself hunter.
So you should use also for foxes at least a 6,5 mm.
Hunting ethics (consequentially laws) in europe prescribe shoutguns for rabbits, with lead balls of #4 to #6 measure depending on season and kind.
There are twa sayings about .22 LR.
"If you shot someone with .22 LR and you are not so lucky to kill him in one shot, that man will come to punch you".
"If I shold say if I prefer to be shot by a .22 or a .45 I would say I prefer not to be shot"
edit on 19-4-2011 by nuspy because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Quickfix
reply to post by smokeythabear
I wouldn't know about being shot in the head, that's why i said you have to know where to shoot a hue-man.
There is the Jugular vein in the neck or the heart. And I would of figured a headshot would do enough damage to atleast stop a charging hue-man or knock em on their tucus for a finishing blow.