Originally posted by donkeystyle
So "work ethic' is pushed by TPTB? ok, i guess for THOUSANDS of years anyone who works for a living is a slave. Even if they get a house, food,
and goods in return?
The idea of work has been around for a long while - in an energy-scarce condition, work is required. But the term, "work ethic" is a fairly recent
addition to our vocabulary, and was pushed by the industrialists. For more info, see:
I TOTALLY disagree with your perspective, you seem to have bought into a concept of sitting around doing nothing and being rewarded. I hope i
misunderstood you, but everything about your post and previous posts makes me think you just want to collect disability insurance or welfare, and bash
anyone who works for someone else.
That's because you have been ingrained with the "ethic" of work. And in scarcity. I have bought into the concept that if Each of Us had the
opportunity to pursue Our bliss, with Our robots to do necessary work no one wants to do, far better Works would be done on this planet. Since all
money is is a representation of meaningful energy expended, adding effectively infinite energy will make money unnecessary, and allow everyOne to live
richly if They choose. This is the abundance paradigm.
If you wish to learn more about the abundance paradigm, please read the OP's in two threads of mine (linked in my sig). The End of Entropy is the
foundation (read first) and The Ethical Planetarian Party Platform is the structure.
I'll give you an example of why employment is exactly the opposite of slavery.
A tradesman who earns 30 an hour hires someone new and pays him 10 an hour. Now that tradesman is making 35 an hour, because he is more productive
with his 10 dollar an hour helper.
Now, in your world, the employee making 10 an hour is a slave, and being "used". But in the REAL world, he is getting an OPPORTUNITY to learn the
ropes, he gets paid enough to enjoy his life, and within a couple of years he will be earning upwards of 15 or 20 an hour.
Now, I guess to you, a proper business model is a design of slavery and human abuse. But it's a totally self righteous and diluted perspective. We
would all be dead if everyone had your mindset.
Only in scarcity and without the recent development of robots and the Interweb. Do check out my threads.
"Or we can eliminate the need for money and get rid of the "work ethic," replacing it with the Betterment Ethic, thereby Each being able to
work in Their bliss as opposed to having to be a slave."
Regarding that sentence, I don't understand your concept of how society should function. If there is no currency, then how do you get a carpenter to
build your home, or get food for your stomach?
Robots handle the tending of fields, and deliver produce upon ordering on the Interweb, robots do carpentry, people who love to build and/or program
robots do the building/programming (no shortage of that type), and the people who love to do carpentry can also do carpentry. They will gain status
as they build excellent Works. See my threads.
Is everything to be given away? your services given away trusting that others will give you everything you need?
In a sense, yes. Except that you WILL have what you need, courtesy of robots. For the asking. And you will do what brings YOU bliss. Maybe paint.
Maybe play tennis. Maybe create a video game. Maybe find a cure for a disease. Maybe plumb the depths of particle physics. Whatever. As long as
you remain within the three Laws.
How would they establish order?
A central site on the Interweb - read the threads. This is explained.
quote]Are you refusing to participate in society as it is designed because you hold out hope for some utopian civilization with no money, no bad
feelings, and nothing but happy love joy?
How do you mean, "refusing to participate in society?" As in not get a job? No. I don't get a job because no one will give me one. (Laid off 5
years ago, went through savings, 401K, help from friends and family, went homeless - and then on social services; during this time somewhere between
35,000 and 50,000 job applications have been made, on the web and in person, ranging from administrative assistant to graphics (my forte) to chicken
plucker. Any job I could sit down at. I know that until these ideas spread to the tipping point, slaving at a hated job will support me better than
no job at all.)
From the dawn of civilization, currency has existed. It wasnt always coins, sometimes it was grains, or salt, or sugar, or trading goods
between people. But it has existed since humans were intelligent enough to understand how it works.
From the dawn of history We have NOT had the robotics We have now. We have not had the Interweb We have now. We have not had the plenum
("dark"/Zero Point/radiant/orgone/...) energy extraction methods (which are known by me personally to be in black ops) until now. With these, We
can eliminate poverty and bring in a Golden Age of Humankind. Read the threads, and also the thread, "Who are "They?" linked as well.
So explain to me then what your perspective is?
I have given you an overview.
Mainly, if you have a job you hate, or are even indifferent about, you are a slave. The vast majority of Us hate our jobs or at least are indifferent
to them. Only the Ones who LOVE Their job are NOT slaves.
Check out those three threads.
Check out those three threads.