Originally posted by Amaterasu
Originally posted by donkeystyle
I've been up and down like a rollercoaster, worked jobs ripping up carpet for 11 an hour, and worked as a plumber making upwards of 500 a day. It has
been pounded into me by my parents that working any job is better than being on welfare, or being homeless, or being a begger. If "any" job can be a
job with potential promotions and a lot of potential growth, it would be a lot better than working at many companies with zero opportunity for
Or we can eliminate the need for money and get rid of the "work ethic," replacing it with the Betterment Ethic, thereby Each being able to work in
Their bliss as opposed to having to be a slave.
The feeling of coming home after a day of hard work is the same satisfying feeling no matter what job you work. Its that feeling of honest
accomplishment and working towards something better.
I have only had that feeling when I came home from volunteering for the Red Cross. Jobs? I have always wanted to do something other than my job -
though I have always done it to the best of my ability. Coming home was merely relief with the dread of the next day pushed back so I could enjoy
what little time was actually mine.
And let's face it... How much satisfaction, how much accomplishment is there in serving poison to people?
I don't know how old you are or what your life situation is like, or your past. But there are a ton of people that need jobs now, or face the
very scary prospect of going homeless ( a dark place i have been before) .
I have been there as well. Though they say the unemployment rate is what? 10%? 12%? - that is just the tip of a very large berg. Easily double
that figure to include the vast many who have dropped off the unemployment rolls. Their lies won't tell you the truth of the situation.
Let me tell you , working a job and knowing where your next paycheck is coming from, and how that next rent payment is going to be made, is
INFINITELY better and less stressful than being broke and jobless.
I wouldn't say "infinitely better..." It depends on the job and the company. People say I'm too picky because the one place I won't look for work is
WalMart. Given that I loathe - and I do mean LOATHE - the personnel policies and the business tactics of WalMart, could I manage to work for them
without killing myself? Hard to tell...but I think I would not last 6 months.
I don't know when people got so stuffy about honest, non-glorious work.
Well, all work - unless it is your bliss - is wage slavery. The corporations make the money off the backs of the slaves, and instead of providing
needs (food, clothing, shelter) which is expensive, they leave it to the slave to take the pittance and dole it out as far as it goes, ridding them of
the management problems keeping outright slaves creates.
There is nothing "honest" about this (ab)use of Human energy.
And im not "just agreeing with a mod" . Speaking for myself, my mother got a job while raising 2 kids and moved to the city by herself, and did
fantastic. My grandfather came back from the war and became a farmer, and later got a job flipping lines at CN railways. If i out of work and saying
i was too good to work an honest job while i either go to school at night to try for something better, or the myriad of other options, my family
would feel ashamed of me. And my grandfather would probably want to knock some sense into me.
That's because they believe the lie of the "work ethic" which was pushed by the PTB to hide the fact that we are slaves and through economics we are
forced to work. Meanwhile, there were more jobs when your mother did what she did, and your grandfather. And if you went into great debt to learn a
"good" trade or skill, wouldn't you feel devastated if all you got for that was McDonalds - and the inability to pay back the debt?
Really hard to motivate under those conditions.
Eliminate the need for money, instill the Betterment Ethic, follow Your bliss - within the three Laws.
To see how, please read the op's in two of my threads - linked in my sig - The End of Entropy is the foundation (read first) and The Ethical
Planetarian Party Platform is the structure.
Pass it along if you want to be a part of the solution.
edit on 4/19/2011 by Amaterasu because: typo and tags
So "work ethic' is pushed by TPTB? ok, i guess for THOUSANDS of years anyone who works for a living is a slave. Even if they get a house, food, and
goods in return?
I TOTALLY disagree with your perspective, you seem to have bought into a concept of sitting around doing nothing and being rewarded. I hope i
misunderstood you, but everything about your post and previous posts makes me think you just want to collect disability insurance or welfare, and bash
anyone who works for someone else.
I'll give you an example of why employment is exactly the opposite of slavery.
A tradesman who earns 30 an hour hires someone new and pays him 10 an hour. Now that tradesman is making 35 an hour, because he is more productive
with his 10 dollar an hour helper.
Now, in your world, the employee making 10 an hour is a slave, and being "used". But in the REAL world, he is getting an OPPORTUNITY to learn the
ropes, he gets paid enough to enjoy his life, and within a couple of years he will be earning upwards of 15 or 20 an hour.
Now, I guess to you, a proper business model is a design of slavery and human abuse. But it's a totally self righteous and diluted perspective. We
would all be dead if everyone had your mindset.
"Or we can eliminate the need for money and get rid of the "work ethic," replacing it with the Betterment Ethic, thereby Each being able to work in
Their bliss as opposed to having to be a slave."
Regarding that sentence, I don't understand your concept of how society should function. If there is no currency, then how do you get a carpenter to
build your home, or get food for your stomach?
Is everything to be given away? your services given away trusting that others will give you everything you need?
How would they establish order?
Are you refusing to participate in society as it is designed because you hold out hope for some utopian civilization with no money, no bad feelings,
and nothing but happy love joy?
From the dawn of civilization, currency has existed. It wasnt always coins, sometimes it was grains, or salt, or sugar, or trading goods between
people. But it has existed since humans were intelligent enough to understand how it works.
So explain to me then what your perspective is?
edit on 19-4-2011 by donkeystyle because: (no reason given)