Originally posted by jumpspace
Some people are into beastiality...they choose to sleep with animals - it is a choice they make. They make their choice and that's fine but should
these people be given the same rights as gay people? Should they be able to adopt? Should they be allowed to marry an animal? You say NO...that's
sick! Well, wasn't being gay considered sick at one point...before it was "supposedly accepted" by society? Should society's acceptance of
something mean that it's OK? What about the romans and the christians? Society accepted that and now we look back and see it was VERY
Comparing Homosexuality and Bestiality once again, heh?!?!? This comes up over and over again regardless of how many times it's shown to be an
invalid, illogical and just plain stupid example. But for those who may have missed the previous threads dealing with it, here it is again....
Homosexual activities are between Consenting Adult Human Beings who are willfully choosing to participate in those acts, which is their own right to
do so. It doesn't even have to deal with Homosexuals either, but just People in general. People are able to give their consent and establish that
their actions are by their own choice and by their own will to do so. So you CAN"T compare ANIMALS & PEOPLE in the same methods, like you are doing
As for Society establishing what is 'OK' or not. Like it or not, that is how it is. They are called 'Laws'. Now, whether or not you or anyone
else agrees with Societies 'Laws' and/or 'Opinions' of what is 'OK' is up to them to decide for themselves. For example, it used to be 'OK'
to own slaves, 'OK' to publicly beat a Black Man for speaking to a white woman unless he was spoken to first and 'OK' to beat your wife for pretty
much any reason under the sun. While it's not 'OK' to do those things now, there are still many people who feel that it is 'OK' to do those
things. That is how Society functions. Whether it's 'OK' or not is up to each individual to decide for themselves.
This applies when gay couples "push" their beliefs onto their children (and it DOES happen)...much like a KKK based family "pushing" their
beliefs onto their children.
Everyone pushes their beliefs on everyone else. Always have always will. It's not just groups like the KKK and so called evil groups or people
either. Parent's push their beliefs onto their kids. Religions push theirs on to everyone who will listen, especially kids. Friends push theirs on
to their friends. Employers push theirs on to their employees. Governments on to the Governed. So on and so forth. You are pushing your beliefs on
to everyone here reading your post, just like I am. So you can't cry foul and start pointing fingers and expect to be viewed as anything but a
Yes, of course it comes down to love but that doesn't mean we should automatically allow gay couples to adopt because they're "loving".
Same with single parents that are "loving".
A child is made in a natural state from a male and a female who, naturally, love their offsping (apart from the minority who shouldn't even be
allowed to have children). This is how nature works and this is what we should be basing adoption on - the family unit - a heterosexual couple who
have the capability to "love". It's the natural order of life.
People that produce children do not automatically 'Love' their kids, nor do they automatically know how to raise them, care for them, etc.
Obviously when looking for families to put adopted children with it comes down to finding the best suited environment for each case. If possible, the
Race should be a match for example, but that doesn't mean it is a must. It is simply one of the many criteria to look for when matching up a child
with a family. If there is a Gay Couple who can provide a healthy, caring, positive environment for a child, they should not be skipped over simply
because of their sexual preference.
The divorce rate is over 50% now and the number of Unhealthy 'Traditional' family units probably make up at least half of that other 50% who
actually stay married. When a child is raised properly, they are able to establish and live a 'functional' life of their choosing regardless of
their past history.
Because a child is raised by homosexual parents doesn't mean they will be homosexual as well. To think that is just dumb. If it worked like that
then gay children being raised by straight parents would then be 'Turned Straight' in the same way people assume Homosexual Parents can take a
straight child and 'Turn them Gay'. It doesn't work like that, except in the Imaginary World of those who are Paranoid of different people and/or
Uneducated about Human Development.
Yes, I agree, some people shouldn't be allowed to have children. It's a shame that we can't "turn off" the ability and when you are ready
to have children then that ability is "turned on" (if you are suitable parents of course).
Now this I agree with 100%!!! Fortunately we do actually have Birth Control which makes it possible to 'Turn off/on' the function like you mention.
Now if people would just take it and/or take even a tiny bit of responsibility for their actions the world would be so much better off!!
"No matter how often ignorant people say it, being gay will never be contagious" No? What about the high percentage of gays in fashion and
hair-dressing? I know of a gentleman who's son went into hair-dressing. He started "talking funny" and was even mimicking his "role models" body
language (you know what I mean). On another note, why is it that some (not all) male gays adopt a "girly voice" - this isn't natural, it is learnt.
I even remember seing a boy (13) on TV saying that he was gay as far as he could remember...and he had a VERY girly "gay" voice. Further
investigation found that his mother/father were not good parents and he used to hang out with another group of people when he was very young - a group
Taking on the mannerisms of people who you are around or influenced by is something that does happen. Acquiring an accent within a language, or using
slang, or dressing and/or acting like your peers, etc. However, the influence of one's peers or environment is hardly enough to completely alter
someone's sexual preference.
Once again this comes down to whether or not the child is allowed to establish his/her identity on their own. It is possible to confuse and control
or alter the development of someone if you try hard enough, sure. But simply being exposed to different lifestyles and cultures will not be enough
cause someone to develop in an opposite way then they are naturally.
I agree, it was kept in the bedroom - it's the gays that made it public by wanting "equal rights".
Equal Rights have nothing to do with anyones Sexuality!!! Equal Rights are Equal for all People. Man, Woman, African, Asian, Tall, Fat, Blind,
All PEOPLE are, Constitutionally, recognized as having Equal Rights. There is no other criteria for these 'Rights' other than being one of the
People. That goes for EVERYONE.....ALL PEOPLE.....get it??
Everyone should be fighting for Equal Rights. It's when others try for 'Special Rights' for one group or another that there is a problem. This is
why things such as 'Womens Rights', 'Gay Rights', 'Civil Rights', etc. are all B.S. if they are something other than 'Equal Rights'. That is
because 'Equal Rights' should already cover anything and everything for all people already, which all people share equally. Do you see the
As far as I'm concerned, if you make a CHOICE regarding your sexuality then you accept what comes along with that choice. What the gays are
doing now is trying to change the laws so that "society" is forced to accept them and as such, they can accept themselves.
Well, the specifics of these 'Laws' that you say the 'Gays' are changing first need to be presented individually if you want to really debate
them. Otherwise that entire statement is just your very generalized opinion which is also even suggesting something along the lines of proof toward
some conspiracy movement by 'Gays' toward their psychological state of well being.
As far as 'Rights' are concerned, ALL PEOPLE are Constitutionally recognized as having the same 'Rights'. There are no special categories for
Gays, or Rich, or Dwarfs, etc. So as long as someone who is Homosexual is simply trying to live their life along the same 'Equal Rights' as
everyone else, there shouldn't be any problem. In fact, it is more about others trying to make laws against Gays than the other way around, IMO.
As an example, I used to enjoy the program Ellen - a good laugh. Personally, I didn't care whether she was a lesbian or whatever - I simply
enjoyed the show for what it was. Then she stood up and used her show to state she was gay...well, I stopped watching the program.
I accept people for who they are. If they tell me they are gay later on then that's fine. If they tell me that I should accept them because they're
gay, well...they're no longer a friend.
Well, that is fully within your right to do so too. Nobody is forcing anyone else to watch certain TV programs or even any TV at all for that
You should read your last section there over and over cause you totally contradict yourself. Obviously you don't accept someone for who they are.
You accept them for who they are as long as they fit within your parameters, which in this case excludes Gay People.
Also, what in the hell does it mean to accept someone cause they are gay versus just accepting someone for who they are??? If you accept someone for
who they are, that would include everything about them. Nobody is saying you have to be friends or anything with people just cause they are gay. All
it means is that you don't treat them as if they are somehow sub-human. They are just people like anyone else and should be treated the same.
Keep it in the bedroom by all means...but that comes to another point - what happens when the child "inadvertently" walks in on his/her gay
parents? Bit of a mind f#$%? Yes, I do think so.
Well, we could go on all day with the 'What if's', but there is really no point other than to exercise our imagination.
As far as mind f*cks go, there are about a million more harmful events one could use than your example. Things like WAR, Starvation, Disease,
Domestic Abuse, Torture, Crime, Gang Violence, Drive-By Shootings, Murder, Rape, Prolonged Severe Drug Addiction, etc. Most of these in fact are seen
daily by children either on the News, Cable TV, Movies, Games, or in their local neighborhood, school or homes.