Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by naeem11111
I can prove to you that the ten commandments promote all this.
Please do... The 10 commandments are about love and nothing else, so i'd love to see you prove this...
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Originally posted by awake_and_aware
reply to post by Akragon
Sorry, re-read the lower part of my post, I updated.
I know age is irrevelent on the internet, but you're quite young, arn't you? By no means am i saying you are immature, but i'm quite certain you're an under 18.
ADD: www.youtube.com...
I can watch the above video, and it doesn't urge me to believe in God, mathematical observatinos in nature, systems and equilibriums don't imply an omnipotent being.edit on 21/4/11 by awake_and_aware because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by amaster
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by naeem11111
I can prove to you that the ten commandments promote all this.
Please do... The 10 commandments are about love and nothing else, so i'd love to see you prove this...
edit on 21-4-2011 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
The 10 commandments have nothing to do with love. They are about control, hence the name COMMANDMENTS. Thats why most of them include the words THOU SHALL NOT.
If the 10 Commandments were about love then they would be reduced down to two and called something else.
1) Love thy neighbor
2) Do unto others as you would have done unto you.
It gets no simpler than that. Also, notice I said nothing in those two about loving god, since in the very first commandment given by god, he admits that he is not the only one., and he gets a little jealous.
Ok? So what? Top physicists and astronomers can look at the universe without their conclusion leading to "God did it" BTW, More than 80% of leading scientists are non-believers, many of which are Atheists, and some "Spiritual" Atheists. Not that i'm suggesting appeal to majority is a reasonable argument.
Observing the universe doesn't require a belief in God, and by no means does the nature of the universe imply an omnipotent dictator being.
Pantheism is the view that the Universe (Nature) and God are identical.[1] Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal, anthropomorphic or creator god. The word derives from the Ancient Greek: πᾶν (pan) meaning "all" and θεός (theos) meaning "God". As such, Pantheism denotes the idea that "God" is best seen as a way of relating to the Universe.[2] Although there are divergences within Pantheism, the central ideas found in almost all versions are the Cosmos as an all-encompassing unity and the sacredness of Nature.
Originally posted by awake_and_aware
reply to post by Akragon
haha. Apologies for my presumptious misconception.
So if you state you didn't imply omnipotent then what is God?
Is God just your observation of nature?
How do you extract abstract ideas and claim them as objective? (Heaven, Hell, Reincarnation, Sins, "Good", "Evil") Metaphysical theories - Theories that we can't confirm with our own eyes, theories that suggest it's just currently unknown to us. Why would we trust these theories without logical or empirical evidence?
i.e. It's one claim to state "There is a God" it's another claim to state human-kind has knowledge of the being's thought's and desires. And to claim to know what lies in the reality beyond this one. I just can't believe that people find this believable.
Surely if you just look at nature, and state "That's God" - You're a "pantheist"?
"Pantheism"
Pantheism is the view that the Universe (Nature) and God are identical.[1] Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal, anthropomorphic or creator god. The word derives from the Ancient Greek: πᾶν (pan) meaning "all" and θεός (theos) meaning "God". As such, Pantheism denotes the idea that "God" is best seen as a way of relating to the Universe.[2] Although there are divergences within Pantheism, the central ideas found in almost all versions are the Cosmos as an all-encompassing unity and the sacredness of Nature.
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) I don't believe any of them exist. On the other hand reincarnation exists and its been proven many times. I know the spirit exists because
i've worked with my own for many years. Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by amaster
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by naeem11111
I can prove to you that the ten commandments promote all this.
Please do... The 10 commandments are about love and nothing else, so i'd love to see you prove this...
edit on 21-4-2011 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
The 10 commandments have nothing to do with love. They are about control, hence the name COMMANDMENTS. Thats why most of them include the words THOU SHALL NOT.
If the 10 Commandments were about love then they would be reduced down to two and called something else.
1) Love thy neighbor
2) Do unto others as you would have done unto you.
It gets no simpler than that. Also, notice I said nothing in those two about loving god, since in the very first commandment given by god, he admits that he is not the only one., and he gets a little jealous.
Yet again you're quite wrong...
Every one of the 10 commandments are about love without exception.
Originally posted by amaster
Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by amaster
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by naeem11111
I can prove to you that the ten commandments promote all this.
Please do... The 10 commandments are about love and nothing else, so i'd love to see you prove this...
edit on 21-4-2011 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
The 10 commandments have nothing to do with love. They are about control, hence the name COMMANDMENTS. Thats why most of them include the words THOU SHALL NOT.
If the 10 Commandments were about love then they would be reduced down to two and called something else.
1) Love thy neighbor
2) Do unto others as you would have done unto you.
It gets no simpler than that. Also, notice I said nothing in those two about loving god, since in the very first commandment given by god, he admits that he is not the only one., and he gets a little jealous.
Yet again you're quite wrong...
Every one of the 10 commandments are about love without exception.
Love without exception? Sounds to me like you're being forced to love your god. If the commandment were about love, then you wouldn't be punished for breaking them. The very fact that the commandments exist shows that gods love is not unconditional.
And again, In the very first commandment of god, he breaks his own commandment, for he covets his neighbors (other gods) goods.
And again, In the very first commandment of god, he breaks his own commandment, for he covets his neighbors (other gods) goods.
Originally posted by Akragon
Please do... The 10 commandments are about love and nothing else, so i'd love to see you prove this...
theres not a person on this planet that could try to make me believe otherwise.
Originally posted by awake_and_aware
reply to post by Akragon
theres not a person on this planet that could try to make me believe otherwise.
Nice debate technique. Pretty open-minded.
Good luck
And again, In the very first commandment of god, he breaks his own commandment, for he covets his neighbors (other gods) goods.
I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;
Do not have any other gods before me.
You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,
but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.
You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.
Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy.
For six days you shall labour and do all your work.
But the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns.
For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and consecrated it.
Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or male or female slave , or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.
Exodus 20:2-17
Observe what I command you today. See, I will drive out before you the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites.
Take care not to make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land to which you are going, or it will become a snare among you.
You shall tear down their altars, break their pillars, and cut down their sacred poles
(for you shall worship no other god, because the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God).
You shall not make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to their gods, someone among them will invite you, and you will eat of the sacrifice.
And you will take wives from among their daughters for your sons, and their daughters who prostitute themselves to their gods will make your sons also prostitute themselves to their gods.
You shall not make cast idols.
You shall keep the festival of unleavened bread. For seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the time appointed in the month of Abib; for in the month of Abib you came out from Egypt.
All that first opens the womb is mine, all your male livestock, the firstborn of cow and sheep.
The firstborn of a donkey you shall redeem with a lamb, or if you will not redeem it you shall break its neck. All the firstborn of your sons you shall redeem.
No one shall appear before me empty-handed.
For six days you shall work, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even in ploughing time and in harvest time you shall rest.
You shall observe the festival of weeks, the first fruits of wheat harvest, and the festival of ingathering at the turn of the year.
Three times in the year all your males shall appear before the Lord God, the God of Israel.
For I will cast out nations before you, and enlarge your borders; no one shall covet your land when you go up to appear before the Lord your God three times in the year.
You shall not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven, and the sacrifice of the festival of the passover shall not be left until the morning.
The best of the first fruits of your ground you shall bring to the house of the Lord your God. You shall not boil a kid in its mother’s milk.
The Lord said to Moses: Write these words; in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.
Exodus 34:11-27
Here's an interesting video - Hitchen's destroys the 10 commandments and replaces them with an upgraded version.
