Originally posted by James1982
I have heard the message that you preach before, but maybe because of the circumstance of the conversation, or my current mood, it does give me pause
to think more than it has in the past, which is why it took me a few days to reply.
After a short amount of thinking, I am struggling with this:
Forgiveness and love for your fellow man is a concept that I would support, but there are a few circumstances where I don't see the good in it.
For someone who has committed horrible acts, and who as vowed to continue committing horrible acts, what advantage is there to forgiveness and love?
In your opinion, is it not a good idea to lock away people that murder and steal? Or am I misunderstanding here?
Thank you for considering my point of view my friend. I know it is not an easy one to accept, and I can assure you I did not decide to accept it
myself. It came as an epiphany that shocked me as much as hearing it shocks you. I do not think it is a good idea to lock people away who murder and
steal, at least not the way we do today. The way we imprison violent offenders today only leads to further violent behavior. The are locked in cages
like animals and must fight for their survival. Even petty criminals come out of prison more violent than they went in. It is inhumane and it is the
reason we have such a broken society as we do.
Originally posted by James1982
Doesn't forgiveness mean that you are relieving a person from the responsibility of their actions? Which goes against what you said earlier about
people being responsible for what they do? If you murder someone, and intend to continue murdering people, or refuse to "repent" (not in the
religious sense) for your actions, aren't you basically opting out of deserving love and forgiveness?
Forgiveness, to me at least, is an acknowledgement that if I had been born with the same physical characteristics, to the same lifestyle, and faced
with the same sufferings, I too may very well have committed what ever acts they have committed. It is recognising the humanity in us all. It is
KNOWING that we are nothing more than our life experiences. That is the only thing that makes us different.
Loving them is wanting to relieve the suffering that caused them to make the choices they have. This may mean a temporary loss of freedom for them, it
may mean a lengthy loss of freedom. This loss of freedom is not to harm, but is focused strictly on uncovering what ails them, finding the cure,
healing them, and helping them return to society. We can do this. Right now it is more profitable to have slave labor and it is more profitable to the
justice system to have violent predators on the streets to make people believe that the system is needed. A lot of lawyers, judges, law enforcement
officers, and elected officials would lose their job if things are done my way. You would have a peaceful loving society though.
Originally posted by James1982
People make mistakes, and do horrible things. I truly believe people can change, but only those who are actually committed to change in their hearts
are deserving of forgiveness to me. If someone is intent on doing harm to others for the rest of their life, what good can come from forgiving or
loving them, other than to facilitate their ability to further harm others?
People are not making mistakes my friend. They are doing what they need to do to survive and thrive. Look at the world we have created. Look how hard
life is. We accept it as the way it is supposed to be because it is the way it always has been. Yet in the pit of our misery and depression, and I do
not know ANYONE who has not visited that pit, we KNOW there is a better way. We know there must be a better way. It simply does not make sense to
suffer as much as we do. So we do the best we can and turn to our "afterlife" to provide us a better world.
Heaven is right here in front of us. It is this world, this earth we have been gifted. All that we need to live an abundant worry free life is right
here in front of us. We cannot see it because we are focused on pursuing those material things that "make life easier". We need our big houses, our
cell phones, our X-boxes, our microwave ovens, etc. They are built cheaply so they do not last so the cycle of desire is never ending. So that we
never can pause and reflect on what is important. While we are in this rat race our children are being fed violence, hate, and death through their
video games, cartoons, and media. They are being prepared and indoctrinated to be hateful and uncaring, to be warfighters and servants to the
materialistic empire we have created.
While all this is going on, we cast judgement at thieves? Really? They are the criminals because they steal a little piece of the material pie, while
the war machine that drives the whole thing is allowed to go free?
We judge murderers? What of the mass murder we allow in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and many many other places around the world for oil to keep our
empire of materialism going? What about the death through starvation we have caused parts of Africa, and South America? When you have the ability to
prevent suffering, and you choose not to, are you not as much guilty as the one who causes another to suffer?
We are a mixed up broken world my friend. I do not fault anyone for it for we all are nothing more than the sum of our experiences. If you have not
seen beyond your experiences, then how can you be expected to know better. We do reap what we sow my friend. As long as we continue to judge one
another instead of Loving one another, our world will continue to spiral down the drain. The choice for salvation is in each of our hands. When will
we love all, judge none, and live in peace?
It is our destiny, and we each have it in our heart and are capable of finding it. It takes a personal choice to commit to it, it takes sacrifice to
implement, and it takes courage to live up to it.
Who will we serve, humanity or money. We all must make a choice.
The world we have is the world serving money.
The world that awaits is the world serving humanity.