reply to post by dukeofjive
Be sorry all you want. I am PROUD to have served in the army. I am PROUD to have been taught that ALL life is sacred... as opposed to our
What you need to be sorry for is being misinformed. The problem is that people like you cannot be convinced, so I'm part masochistic in even
trying... but just look at FACTS my friend:
1) in 2005 Israeli pulled out of Gaza, yes, pulled out, there is not a single Israeli in Gaza since then... they even have a border with Egypt which
Israel does not control... FACT.
2) In 2007 (if memory serves) Hamas won the elections in the Palestinian Authority (there's an oxymoron for you), obviously Fatah (the other major
party there) didn't accept this, and they started fighting, Hamas won Gaza (mostly by murdering Fatah people - throwing them off the roofs of
buildings etc), so now, Gaza is Hamas and the West Bank is Fatah. FACT.
3) Even since 2001 Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad and other organizations have fired numerous rockets, mortar shells etc at Israeli towns that in no way
and form encroach on their territory (specifically Sderot, which is about a kilometer away from the Gaza border). They are aiming these rockets at
civilians and civilian targets, and civilians have been killed, children included (one noted case is a girl that has been killed sheltering her little
brother from a Quassam rocket)
4) Israel has done several military operations to stop these rocket attacks, they usually help for a couple of months, but then they shoot again,
before 2009, there was about a year of "Tahadia" (which in Arabic means "calming"), the Israeli PM at the time (Olmert) PLEADED with Hamas to keep
it... but then there were two weeks of non-stop missile attacks (about 40-50 a day), and he had no choice... (think what would have happened if Mexico
decided it wanted Texas back - it is after all occupied territory, and started firing rockets over the border... what would the US have done?) So,
Israel went to the "cast lead" operation, which started by bombing a Hamas training camp, killing "military personnel". Now, it is regrettable
that civilians have been killed during the operation, but Israeli army personnel actually CALLED Gazans at home, warning them from impending strikes.
But in a war, there is collateral damage, and to make a moral comparison between someone killing a civilian by mistake as opposed to someone targeting
the civilian on purpose by shooting a weapon at a civilian target that has NO military value, well... if that's what you think, I can't help you
5) Palestinian atrocities are well know, well documented, and have been prevalent over the course of history. I personally think they are not a people
like Americans, or Germans or any such people (mostly because it all started with the 1967 "occupation" even though those areas were controlled by
Jordan and Egypt since 1949 - when the war ended... hmmm... why no Palestinian state then!?) Anyway I digress, in 2000, two army reservists made a
wrong turn and ended up in Ramallah, where they were butchered by the mob, there is a well known picture of one of the people who took part in this,
with his bloody hands out of the window showing them to the mob outside...
I can go on and on with FACTS and more FACTS, but people like you cannot be convinced by facts... you my friend have been brainwashed by lies... I
bring you documented facts, things I have seen for myself.
As someone who has lost family and friends in wars, as someone whose had relatives that have died in the holocaust as well as some family who survived
(and if you claim it didn't happen, I can just recommend you go to the nearest psychiatric hospital near you and say that you're been hearing
voices), I deplore the loss of life on any side... all I say is something simple - if they stop shooting at us, and planning to kill us, we would
gladly do the same...