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Topic started on 18-4-2011 @ 12:47 PM by Skerrako

Bahrain to be Occupied "until the Iranian theat is gone"


www.reuters.com
DUBAI — Saudi and UAE forces will only leave Bahrain when an Iranian threat to Gulf Arab countries is judged to be over, Bahrain's foreign minister said on Monday, hinting that Gulf troops could be there for some time.
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reply posted on 18-4-2011 @ 12:52 PM by stephinrazin
This has been a very brutal crackdown. Here is a thread I did about it at the start.

Bahrain Crackdown

I think that this is a very destabilizing event in the region. The West is pushing Iran into a corner which it may not be able to back out of.

It reminds me a little of Japan in World War II where policies that will knowingly cause a country to fight a war are pursued.

I almost thing the West wants another war, and sadly they may get it.



reply posted on 18-4-2011 @ 01:10 PM by Skerrako
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I think that this is a very destabilizing event in the region. The West is pushing Iran into a corner which it may not be able to back out of.


Just think of what happens when you back an animal into a corner......It attacks as powerfully as it can.

Iran sees itself as a protector of Shiites, and I believe Bahrain is where they will show it.


reply posted on 18-4-2011 @ 02:07 PM by TinfoilTP
Originally posted by mr-lizard
Originally posted by TinfoilTP
Originally posted by TKDRL
Wow... I think this is going to get ugly fast, Iran cannot allow itself to get backed into a corner like that and not react.


Iran can't do a damned thing about it because if they threaten Saudi, that will equal a green light to take them out completely. Iran's meddling to see how far they can go and what they can walk away with but Saudi Arabia just drew a line. Iran will back down with a lot of posturing and futile gesturing. They still got their hands into Yemen and are propping up Syria.
Saddam had visions of reviving Babylon's empire now Iran has visions of grandeur at reviving the Persian Empire. The colonial powers purposely divided up the ME after WWI and WWII so that those old empires could never rise again. They were wise.


What exactly did Iran do to Saudi Arabia? Last time I checked, Iran was being threatened by the Saudi's, the Yanks and Israel - yet the media will quite happily demonize Iran.


Iran is doing the same thing in Syria that Saudi and the UAE and Pakistan are doing in Bahrain.
The Iran sympathisers only point to the protesters being put down in Bahrain and turn a blind eye to the murder in the streets of Syria.
Iran is trying to extend it's influence in the region, which is the same as empire building. Not gonna be allowed to happen for obvious reasons, the flow of oil from Bahrain ports being the most obvious one, the US naval base in Bahrain is another and the pipelines from Saudi that go through Bahrain is really obvious. No chance in hell they will be allowed to take over Bahrain.


reply posted on 18-4-2011 @ 03:38 PM by Skerrako
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Iran can't do a damned thing about it because if they threaten Saudi, that will equal a green light to take them out completely.


Number one: the U.S. has a hard time "taking out" Afghanistan, which has a population of 27 million and very weak government. Iran is home to 80 million people, with a large standing army and strong government. That is not a walk in the park.

Number two: Will Russia and China sit by while one of their strongest oil trading partners is being blown sky-high? They are already planning on vetoing any further Western aggression in Libya, Yemen or wherever. If they take a stand, you can bet that Brazil, India, South Africa and possibly Germany and Australia will stand with them. That is war we would lose hands down. War with fast-growing nations serves as a catalyst for further growth (think America before involvement in WWII).


reply posted on 18-4-2011 @ 04:44 PM by TinfoilTP
Originally posted by Skerrako
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post by TinfoilTP




Iran can't do a damned thing about it because if they threaten Saudi, that will equal a green light to take them out completely.


Number one: the U.S. has a hard time "taking out" Afghanistan, which has a population of 27 million and very weak government. Iran is home to 80 million people, with a large standing army and strong government. That is not a walk in the park.

Number two: Will Russia and China sit by while one of their strongest oil trading partners is being blown sky-high? They are already planning on vetoing any further Western aggression in Libya, Yemen or wherever. If they take a stand, you can bet that Brazil, India, South Africa and possibly Germany and Australia will stand with them. That is war we would lose hands down. War with fast-growing nations serves as a catalyst for further growth (think America before involvement in WWII).


Russia would love if China got 100% of their oil from Russia, at Russia's own asking price. A war in the ME will make that happen. They will pretend to make a fuss but would abstain form vetoing in the UN as per usual. China wouldn't do anything about it, and if they did Taiwan is a bargaining chip worth trading for the middle east.
It is entirely possible to happen with zero fuss from Russia and China.

None of them other countries matter at the UN, the US only needs to get China and Russia to abstain then find 6 other nations no matter who they are to vote along with US France and Great Britain.

The comparison to pre WWII america is null and void. There is no room for their growth, world population and energy reserve capacity makes it impossible, it is all a downward curve from here on out. As long as the world depends on fossil fuels for energy and world population growth rate remains upward, there can never be another explosion of industrial might in the world like the US in WWII. It's a simple fact of mathematics, exponential rates.
WWII happened on the upward curve, the world is on the downward curve now.


reply posted on 18-4-2011 @ 04:46 PM by MikeboydUS
reply to post by mr-lizard



This is what happens when you either don't get or ignore the whole picture.

Iran and Arabia are not friends. The Persians and Arabs have fought for control of the Middle East (along with the Turks) for centuries. There is also the conflict between Shiites and Sunnis.

The Sunni Arabs have been fighting the Iranians and their proxies since the 80s, in Lebanon, the Iran-Iraq War, Yemen, and modern Iraq. There are Sunni insurgencies in Iran and Shiite insurgencies in Arabia. There are both in Iraq where they often kill each other.

The bottom line is the Arabs don't want anyone, Americans, Persians, or Turks taking away the independence they have had for almost 100 years. They lived under the Turks for centuries (who also stayed in constant conflict with Persia), lived under the British and French for decades, and they don't want anymore colonial nonsense from anyone.


reply posted on 18-4-2011 @ 05:28 PM by Skerrako
reply to post by TinfoilTP




Russia would love if China got 100% of their oil from Russia, at Russia's own asking price. A war in the ME will make that happen. They will pretend to make a fuss but would abstain form vetoing in the UN as per usual. China wouldn't do anything about it, and if they did Taiwan is a bargaining chip worth trading for the middle east.


I didn't think of that, but wouldn't that put a huge strain on Russias oil reserves? Excellent point on Taiwan but I don't see the U.S. giving up one of the highest grossing satellites, but hey it is possible.


None of them other countries matter at the UN, the US only needs to get China and Russia to abstain then find 6 other nations no matter who they are to vote along with US France and Great Britain.


I agree totally, that's why I only mentioned Russia and China first, and then the other BRICS would follow.


The comparison to pre WWII america is null and void. There is no room for their growth, world population and energy reserve capacity makes it impossible, it is all a downward curve from here on out. As long as the world depends on fossil fuels for energy and world population growth rate remains upward, there can never be another explosion of industrial might in the world like the US in WWII. It's a simple fact of mathematics, exponential rates.


Here I believe you are completely wrong, there is room for growth, both physically and economically, but the U.S. consumes most of the supplies needed for this growth. If the dollar fails we will see the growth of China and Brazil really ramp up. The comparison to pre-WWII America does fit, because it has happened to more countries than America in the past. Although Im sure the growth won't be as vigorous as it was in America, it will be sizable and comparable. If the U.S. dollar dies, somewhere around 20% (impossible to know the percentage for sure) more oil will be on the market, causing an temporary upward slope again, carrying developing nations with it.


reply posted on 19-4-2011 @ 08:00 AM by Skerrako
This is getting bad, check out this article from today

debka.com...


"The GCC will not hesitate to adopt whatever measures and policies they deem necessary vis-à-vis the foreign interferences in their internal affairs." The phrase "measures and policies deemed necessary" is diplomatic parlance for a military threat. It implies that Saudi Arabia and the rest of the regional group are confident that together, they command the strategic resources and assets necessary for a military strike against Iran.



This force has been expanded continuously, split now between units suppressing the uprising and the bulk deployed on the island's coast, 320 kilometers from the shore of Iran. Saudi ground-to-ground and anti-air missiles have been transferred to the Bahraini capital of Manama and naval units, including missile vessels, positioned in its harbor.


There are currently 11,000 foreign troops in Bahrain, and nearly all of them on the coast closest to Iran

Iran has also sent a message to pakistan that if they continue to send troops to Bahrain, they will not be exempt WHEN bombs start flying. They did not say "if", but 'when'

Very scary stuff indeed
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