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posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 09:36 AM
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So we can’t deny there are agent members all over the internet, including here on ATS; either as government workers or contractors, or worse, personas.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
If any of you are still human enough, not too absorbed by the system, please answer some questions.
For all other members, take this as an opportunity to ask questions of your own.
My main question is this;
While perusing through all the information presented here on ATS, while attempting to alter the general consensus of opinion, do you not encounter, at times, information that makes you think twice? Do you not sometimes come across information that makes you open up and realize that, perhaps, what you’re doing is harmful?
If and when you do come across information that makes you think, do you act on it, or simply perform the task as mandated and go home without a second thought?
If you were mandated to perform a task that would directly or indirectly affect your family friends or other loved ones, would you still just "follow order?"

I sincerely doubt any of these questions will be answered by genuine agents…that would draw them out, right? However, I also have faith in the individual, and I suspect that, at times, the odd agent does come to some realizations, and perhaps they will feel a drawing to give their side of the story.
I understand most of you agents know not what you do!
Peace And One Love




posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 09:44 AM
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A factor you might want to consider, is that most of these "agents", are just as brainwashed at their level of understanding, as the masses are at their own level of understanding. They are stuck in a concensus reality, just like the majority of us are.

You're right. Its highly unlikely you'll get an agent of any kind to do anything but critique your question. And probably not in a friendly manner.
edit on 18-4-2011 by Klassified because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 09:46 AM
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I'm jealous of the job of agents ...enjoying in front of PC doing relatively easy job for good money
So i'm asking question ..can you help me to be employed as a agent -persona or disinfo agent ..whatever you call it ?
Just want to work ..currently unemployed



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 09:47 AM
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Very clever of you, if you wanted to become a paid dis-info agent, all you had to do was ask me.

Usually I start by not reading somebody's thread, it makes my dis-info much more organic if I only reply to the person's title.

To be honest, I wouldn't dare sift through most of these threads on ATS. They're too negative. I like to stick to the important topics, like when somebody slips up and starts mentioning SERCO and Arthur C. Clarke.

Aliens and UFOs would be my designated forum. I also go to the Paranormal forum, in order to do the same - which is to get people to believe it exists/doesn't exist.

See, it's not about information, it's about too much information. I think my role here at ATS is just as valuable. But hey, it also pays the bills!



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 10:14 AM
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They probably do their job just like any other person.

Some might believe that what they're doing is right and some might just be doing it for a paycheck.

I'm sure that you don't always agree with what your company does, but do you ignore your obligations to perform your job? Do you actively try and sabotage your company? I suspect most of you grumble about what you disagree with to your family and friends and still perform your job to the best of your ability.

If you really hate what you're doing, then you'll look for another job.

So, after a while, you're left with people who ignore ideas that go against their beliefs either due to apathy or belief in the current system.



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 10:39 AM
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I hope so, but I doubt they'll even critique. That would draw them out!
Peace and One Love



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 10:43 AM
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You're right, most probably DO think what they are doing is right.
Myself, I have been in situations where my job tries to go against my morals. I have been lucky enough that I have always made a strong position for myself at work, so I COULD go with my morals, instead of against them,.
I realize this is rare in today's world, however.
Peace and One Love.



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 10:44 AM
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Heres where you need to look if you want the job.

www.linkedin.com...

www.ntrepidcorp.com...



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 10:44 AM
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You know, this ALL makes sense....
Hmmmmmmm
Thanks for your post;
Peace and One Love



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 01:03 PM
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question:
what even makes you (and others) believe there are agents on ats?
Is it because someone didn't agree with you point of view?
because someone derailed a thread?
because someone wasn't nice to you?
because anyone who had some of the above hapening told you and therefor it must be true?
why?
show me the proof

personally I don't think there are agents on this forum. Discussion forums on the internet are the least of anyones problems.
To make the topics disbelievable? lol, there are enough wacko's who make sure of that all by themselves....

my opinion, no i'm not an agent *sigh*



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 01:27 PM
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Humorously, most of the agents here don't work for TPTB. At least not directly. In fact, calling them agents is just another mind-job really. Most are little more then psychic lobbyists, working to ensure their patrons interests are continuously served through Babylonia.

There are agents of the military / security industrial complex: These work to ensure that the majority of readers are properly terrified of intangible things. Without a feeling of loss and terror at losing, there is no need to support armies and troopers and endless weapons of make-war. There must always be an enemy, and the best enemies are those completely under the control of the fear-profiteers.

Corporate interests are likewise represented by their own agent-lobbyists, both here and elsewhere. There is simply far too much at stake financially to let a thread or discussion get too far out of control, with regard to the products designed for your consumption. These are the most numerous of all, though -- like the war lobby -- most are volunteers; marketing specialists in information war on consumer-battlefields, sanitized for your protection.

The third faction of agents are divinely inspired. They consider themselves to be agents of morality and order, and their interests are served when you wallow in superstition, dogma and tribal warfare over matters of faith, philosophy and illusion.

These three factions make up the great table, upon which the whole of your civilization rests. To remove any one leg too quickly, without proper support, invites the destruction of all that rest atop it. And believe me -- most of us are resting there, lost in dreamless slumber and manufactured stupor. This is the natural state of man, and it is through this dream-state that you are most easily controlled. The agents of these factions occasionally make war on one another, but they all encourage your continuous stupor, because you are too expensive to manage properly when fully activated and awake.

There are also relatively "new" factions, who have risen with the information / new age: Those agents whose goal it is to convince you that you are already awake. They exhort you to "open your eyes," but only if you are watching one of their puppet-shows. Oh -- how they sing your praises, you gods among men, you "kings of the earth!" / "kings of sleep!"

Finally there are numerous factions of rabble-rousers, like myself. Agents of generative chaos. Lobbyists for human creative potential and true ascension. Most spend their time trying to convince you that being "awake" is mostly over-rated, unless you are spending your time creating, making and loving one another. There is no higher calling for human souls -- to dream new dreams, and make new things. It is only through this inner-genesis, that you might touch the face of your god, which has slumbered in your deepest souls, far too long.

The conspiracy is that there is no overarching conspiracy. There are only tidal forces: Those that drive you into deeper dependence on the powers, and those that exhort you to rise up and build, as your maker intended. The fact that your maker is inside you, and that you are its vessel in this reality never even crosses your mind.

After all -- Dancing with the Stars is on tonight.



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 01:37 PM
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there are enough crazy people here already giving out hordes of misinformation that the agents wouldn't even need to do much other then watch it all happen and maybe slip in a few links here and there. seriously, some of the things I read here make me want to crawl in a hole or aquire amnesia. this site is a tool for inciting irrationality at times, but then great wisdom by a lesser number of people at others who counter it for me. I get a great feeling of relief when I read just one comment that makes sense, even if it's surrounded by 10 that don't. it shows me someone can think both inside and outside the box



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 02:01 PM
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Profile of an 'agent':

As a secular humanist or a revolutioinary marxist, big gov progressive, multicultural socialist, eco-warrior, Islamojihadist anarchist etc - then you necessarily regard the midset of the average conservative leaning, Jesus-believing US consumer as anathema you regard him as a dangerous idiot having a rampant mental disease. None of his arguments need to be listened too as they are based on untruth's, selfishness, greed and ignorance! - besides there is no 'truth' no right or wrong - History is only the victors story - social justice, redistribution of weath, minority empowerment are the only measures by which anything may be evaluated.

In short the end justifies the means - the idiots can be lied to, tricked, decieved, plotted against and ultimately killed off - all for the highest moral good of course.


This is the same M.O that the elites have been using forever - they are small in no's and so must needs enlist the services of large no's of dupes by creating a special identity and agenda for them to follow - one that trumps all morality.



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by Scorpitarius

If any of you are still human enough, not too absorbed by the system, please answer some questions.
For all other members, take this as an opportunity to ask questions of your own.


You must be new here. I haven't seen one of these threads in at least two weeks suggesting "agents" frequent the hallways of ATS.


While perusing through all the information presented here on ATS, while attempting to alter the general consensus of opinion, do you not encounter, at times, information that makes you think twice?


Once in awhile there is a jewel in the rough, but, frankly, most of it just has me shaking my head in wonder that people consider this "information" seriously. If you want to see some fakes and hoaxes, this is the place to come. But "think twice"? Nah. Every time I get excited about something it turns out to be yet another fake.


Do you not sometimes come across information that makes you open up and realize that, perhaps, what you’re doing is harmful?


Not so far. My feeble attempts at changing opinion will, I hope, lessen the overall harm that ignorance creates, whether that is actual physical harm or just stress from believing the world will end tomorrow. Whatever. Not much can be changed. ATS doesn't as much deny ignorance as promote it. ATS is its own worst enemy. No provocateur required.


If and when you do come across information that makes you think, do you act on it, or simply perform the task as mandated and go home without a second thought?


A loaded question (but you know that.) You're assuming some sort of pro-active task. That obviously fits your world view. But by far the large majority of intelligence actions are in seeing what IS there, not changing it. A good example is the recent FBI "vault." Here the FBI took reports, some from crackpots, so now people here point to the reports as evidence the FBI has been holding out. Thank God for people like Isaac Koi who are willing to point out how illogical this thinking is.


If you were mandated to perform a task that would directly or indirectly affect your family friends or other loved ones, would you still just "follow order [sic]?"


That depends on the task. If I thought it would benefit them I wouldn't hesitate a bit. I can't imagine a situation where I would put them in harm's way. Especially here. (Hint: Nothing important actually happens here!)


I understand most of you agents know not what you do!


Ah! A Biblical allusion! So you're taking the superior position that whatever conspiracy you believe in is on the side of Right and Jesus and morality and any "agent" is akin to Pilate or Caiaphas or the ignorant masses. I really don't think your high opinion of yourself is justified.

What if it's the opposite? What if it's the average person here who is ignorant? What if their views of all these conspiracies, all these secret government attempts to fool the sheeple is the product of credulous minds that will believe pretty much anything if it fits this alternative world view? What if the world won't end at the end of 2012? What if there is no Niburu or comet coming closer? What if 9/11 really was 19 terrorist suicidal hijackers with no conspiracy by government at all? What if the Illuminati don't exist? What if the Masons are just a fraternity? What if the chupacabra is just a coyote with mange? Well, the world would be a little less interesting and more boring.

What if ATS is an example of the inmates running the asylum? If that were the case would you not expect the government to keep tabs on these folks? Wouldn't you say it was a derilection of duty if they ignored it?

But let me tell you a little secret. You don't have to keep it, though. You can pass it on without fear. Here it is: ATS is not particularly dangerous. In fact, every time someone wants to say, "Let's band together and go do something!" it's pointed out that this is against Terms & Conditions. ATS as an institution does not want to go there. There ARE sites that are much more, shall we say, interesting. There are right wing militia sites and left wing terrorist sites where the folks there want bullets and bombs and think it would be great to kill as many people as possible. I surely hope there are agents listening in and I also hope they take these guys out permanently.

ATS, on the other hand, is a kind of honey pot. It attracts crazies who proceed to provide, free of charge, all the false flag conspiracies necessary to keep people here busy. As long as they are here they won't be out trying to cause some serious trouble in the real world. I think what we have here is a sense of elevating our own self-importance by suggesting ATS is important enough to attract the attention of "agents." And, of course, we are "smart enough" to "know" they are here. And aren't we special?

or not.



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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What makes ME believe that there are agents on this, and other forums, as well as everywhere else on line is actually none of what you mention. I have never really found myself attacked on ATS, not in any manner that had any effect on me.
I have seen the documentation evidence regarding the usage of personas used, and I have seen the job postings so one can apply to manage personas...on federal business websites.
Also, the prime minister of Canada, if not elsewhere, has stated openly that they will be monitoring Facebook groups, and correcting people if they say the wrong thing.

I have NO reason to think they are not everywhere online.
Thanks for the question
Peace and One Love



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 03:57 PM
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Star for you man. Awesome response.
Peace And One Love



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 05:50 PM
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Bravo. An amazing response, even if I don't agree 100 % with your perspectives.

If and when you do come across information that makes you think, do you act on it, or simply perform the task as mandated and go home without a second thought?

You're right, that is loaded question, though not intentionally, and I didn't really notice until you pointed it out. It would have been better for me to ask if you act on it, and how? Or if you don't act on it, how does it effect your away-from-work life.
The question was not, however, an assumption about any kind of pro active task based on any world view I have (if I ask questions regarding my world view, I would have to explain a lot first.) Rather, I should have been more specific with my questioning. Such as, for those agents who spread hatred or fear, or for those agents who purposely spread disinformation for any agenda, for these are the agents to whom I am questioning... I suppose my assumption was that the reader would understand that this is what I was referring to. But you're 100 % correct, I am new, and I am still learning how to deliver my message in a way that is detailed and understandable by everybody; and in a manner that leaves no room for interpretation of what I mean...that's a tough one.


Ah! A Biblical allusion! So you're taking the superior position that whatever conspiracy you believe in is on the side of Right and Jesus and morality and any "agent" is akin to Pilate or Caiaphas or the ignorant masses. I really don't think your high opinion of yourself is justified.


Yes, a biblical quote. However, the quote does not point to my taking any kind of superior position, (though I don't believe any conspiracy is on the side of right.) I, in fact, do not believe in the bible 100 %, it's most certainly been tampered with and lies added to it. However, if I reworded my questioning to be directed to those agents who spread hate and fear and disinformation, then it is an applicable quote. To say I have a high opinion of myself because I used that quote is humorous to me. (In fact, I am quite meek and have confidence issues, but I can still know and understand what is right or wrong.)I don't have to have a high opinion of myself in order to say that I can understand an agent who spreads hatred without understanding what he/ she is doing. I've been guilty of it in the past myself. Again, I should have been specific in directing my questions to those agents who spread hatred and anger or disinformation.
That being said, however, even if I did have a high opinion of myself, you, not knowing me at all, are not really in a position where you can say that those feelings are or aren't justified, no offense intented. You could be (and are) an amazing individual who has every right in the world to have a high opinion of yourself, even if you sometimes resort to attempted character bashing, but I could never attempt to give you my opinion of such a matter unless I knew you well, not even from your comment to me today.

What if it's the opposite? What if it's the average person here who is ignorant? What if their views of all these conspiracies, all these secret government attempts to fool the sheeple is the product of credulous minds that will believe pretty much anything if it fits this alternative world view? What if the world won't end at the end of 2012? What if there is no Niburu or comet coming closer? What if 9/11 really was 19 terrorist suicidal hijackers with no conspiracy by government at all? What if the Illuminati don't exist? What if the Masons are just a fraternity? What if the chupacabra is just a coyote with mange? Well, the world would be a little less interesting and more boring.

Although slightly off topic, you raise an excellent point, and something I have given thought to. Here's a better one for you; What if all the above conspiracy theories you mention are created by terrorists trying to bring down the governments they are terrorizing? There's a new thread in the making there.

I am too new to ATS, and forums, for that matter, to make any kind of judgement call, but I understand your theory, and will consider it as I proceed in my search for what is. For the record, my studies are primarily about who and what I am, not so much about the conspiracies in the world today (though the existence of agents and personas cannot be denied). I am a believer that if I dwell on something too much, I can bring that something my way.
I dwell on Love, and make an honest attempt to keep that with me everywhere I go.
But I like your theory, and I thank you for presenting it.
Peace and One Love



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by Scorpitarius
So we can’t deny there are agent members all over the internet, including here on ATS; either as government workers or contractors, or worse, personas.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
If any of you are still human enough, not too absorbed by the system, please answer some questions.
For all other members, take this as an opportunity to ask questions of your own.
My main question is this;
While perusing through all the information presented here on ATS, while attempting to alter the general consensus of opinion, do you not encounter, at times, information that makes you think twice? Do you not sometimes come across information that makes you open up and realize that, perhaps, what you’re doing is harmful?
If and when you do come across information that makes you think, do you act on it, or simply perform the task as mandated and go home without a second thought?
If you were mandated to perform a task that would directly or indirectly affect your family friends or other loved ones, would you still just "follow order?"

I sincerely doubt any of these questions will be answered by genuine agents…that would draw them out, right? However, I also have faith in the individual, and I suspect that, at times, the odd agent does come to some realizations, and perhaps they will feel a drawing to give their side of the story.
I understand most of you agents know not what you do!
Peace And One Love


Well I'm probably the closest thing to an "agent" that will fully admit to it. I'm a journalist and researcher for a major British media organization, and from time to time I post on ATS. Usually I'll post either when something is in direct factual error to a story or project that one of my compatriots or myself have worked upon. I am paid salary so I guess one could say I surf ATS "on the clock" as any time I'm getting information for a story I am technically working.

As such, I'll gladly answer your questions, even though I might not be the exact kind of person that they were targeted at:

1st, Does Information On ATS Make Me Think Twice: Absolutely, I use it as a basis for looking more into some issues when they are of note. I'm involved in researching and reporting on international issues, so some of the things that come up are very interesting. The forum devoted to the earthquake in Japan I read very seriously, especially since we were getting very little info from TEPCO and the Japanese Government.

2nd, Does Information On ATS Make Me Ever Think I Am Doing Something Harmful: Not really, but then again I am a journalist not a paid internet troll. A ton of the stuff on this website is way out there, but that's not to say that there are not gems of real stories in it too.

3rd, What Do I Do When I Come Across Interesting Information: I look into it more. Because of my responsibility as a journalist to only report what is factually true and properly sourced, I really cannot use ATS members themselves as sources. That's nothing against ATS, it's true of really any message board where identity can be hidden. If I see something interesting, I'll start researching it both on here and elsewhere.

4th, If Mandated To Take Action Against Loved Ones Would I: Well this answer isn't as cut and dry as it were. In journalism I have to protect myself from conflict of interest. It is assumed that anyone considered a loved one, I would work to protect to a degree. As such, if there ever was a story or issue with any of them, I would be taken off of reporting on them, period. I have a lot of contacts I'd call friends, and they give me lots of good information on a great many projects, but none of them are the focus of the story themselves. A good example: Say there is a crime story I am working on. I'll go to a friend of mine in the police to get some information, but they are not either the criminal or the victim in the story I'm doing. Their level of trust with me is beneficial because they can get me more information, but they themselves are not going to be impacted per-say in the story itself.

Hope that helps a bit at least, cheers!



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by Scorpitarius
My main question is this;
While perusing through all the information presented here on ATS, while attempting to alter the general consensus of opinion, do you not encounter, at times, information that makes you think twice?


Abosolutely.

I used to have faith in the innate intelligence of humanity - now I realise there are far more dumbasses out there than I ever thought could possibly exist - I wonder how some people manage to breath with their apparent lack of brain cells!


Do you not sometimes come across information that makes you open up and realize that, perhaps, what you’re doing is harmful?


Yes indeed what I do is harmful - to ignorance, stupidity, gullibility, and moronity in general.


If and when you do come across information that makes you think, do you act on it, or simply perform the task as mandated and go home without a second thought?


alas no-one has mandated me to do anything - do you know where I could apply? What is the pay like?


If you were mandated to perform a task that would directly or indirectly affect your family friends or other loved ones, would you still just "follow order?"


As above - my whole family is generally disparaging of stupidity, so they all agree with me lambasting the be-jeezus out of the idiocracy that seems to be taking over.


I sincerely doubt any of these questions will be answered by genuine agents…that would draw them out, right?


how would you know?



However, I also have faith in the individual, and I suspect that, at times, the odd agent does come to some realizations, and perhaps they will feel a drawing to give their side of the story.


how would you know?




I understand most of you agents know not what you do!


Wanna bet on that?


Peace And One Love


stupidity and illogic, out.



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 09:16 PM
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Hypothetical:

Someone or some group points out to you how special you are, how talented you are, how much better than everyone else you are.
They offer to give your life purpose, namely that you would be one of the select few who helped to save and transform the world. What they need from you is to keep an eye out for any suspicious activity on a few websites and report back what you hear. sus activity includes criticising the Gov, discussing unions or pensions, being against the war etc.

Now I think on the ego boost alone a big percentage of the pop would do it and thats without any effort.
People are very easy to motivate/manipulate when you know what ur doing and Im sure TPTB would have methods we couldnt even begin to understand and of course were forgetting good old blackmail or "Do as we tell you or we kill ur family".

Im not saying I think theres agents here or that they even exist but if TPTB wanted them, they would have them and they woul be to well indoctrinated for any hope of them coming to "our side".

All this aside, why would they need agents on any website or forum when they have that keyword tracker thing?
Apparently every word you type or say into any electronic device is recorded and analysed!!

Not sure how accurate that keyword tracker info is as I got it from watching Friends..... I think.

Cheers

P.s Any agents here? how do I sign up? I have no problems with spying on anyone




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