reply to post by spikey
Spikey on the whole, nice thread - and yes to a large degree I agree with your points about the focus on resources. That being said, there are a few
holes in your argument.
Human waste (urince and faecal) don't just add water back into the equation, urine is full of nitrogen, it's a great fertilizer, but it needs to be
mixed with large quantities of water in order to function effectively. Sadly too much nitrogen is added to a system - thus we then create massive
blooms of algae or seaweed, which chokes the oxygen from the water, making it useless for drinking and watering plants.
The number twos of human waste not only carry exceptionally dangerous diseases, they smell pretty bad also
- and in order to clear those up,
resources are needed to break down the waste material into compost. Yes it can be done, but the system takes time to work, all the while releasing
other gases into the air which we breathe etc.
As other posters have mentioned, what about the animals? Us humans like to put ourselves at the head of the food chain because we have a voice. If the
animals had a voice do you think they would want us clearing more land for us to live nice and comfortably? I doubt it - and it's typically arrogant
of us human folk to believe that we are kings of this domain - this year alone we have been shown how many times humans are insignificant compared to
the might of mother nature - whatever peoples beliefs, the earth is bloody angry, and it seems directed mainly at us.
The other issue related to food production is trace elements. Properly farmed food accounts for all these things, I don't know if grand scale farming
can produce all the elements needed to ensure our bodies function properly. Yes we may be fed, and may not be hungry, but will our systems be
However, that being said, the biggest issue relating to humans especially from a western standpoint, is laziness! How many people today grow their own
food? How many people tend to their own crops? How many people recycle food waste, garden waste and dare I say it, human waste? How many of us collect
rain water? How many of us recycle waste water (showers, washing etc)?
Excluding those on ATS, I would suggest not a lot of the general populations do any of the above. We have become enslaved to the system, our day to
day lives are too busy with work etc to spend the time needed to address the issues above. I know for me, I do not have the funds available to pay for
rainwater tanks, solar energy production or solar water heaters. These things are only affordable by those with spare cash (the elite, and the sub
elite). Those things would free up more funds for me, but instead I am enslaved to the bills of high resource costs.
In principle, yes the world can handle more humans, and yes in order to do so radical thinking is required. However human populations were never
supposed to be as large as they are. We simply do not know what effect we will ultimately have on this planet if populations continue to grow without
the right checks being brought in to balance the effect on the environment. Most people do not want a change in lifestyle to accomodate yet more
people, and there in lay a large part of the problem - us humans think about one thing, ourselves - anything that might negatively impact our lives is
always a bad thing, we fail to understand things on a larger scale - and until humanity can actually grow up and face the issues in a mature manner -
the world will continue to degrade as a result of our actions.