Overpopulation? Elitest Propaganda and Damned Lies Lies Lies!, page 3

reply to post by Amaterasu

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Starvation and disease would eliminate a large portion of 3rd world populations. As long as said diseases are contained, it would be quite effective. Your problem is you involve too much emotion in the thinking that "Oh no!!!!!, we can't let people starve, that would be horrible!!!!!". Animals starve in an overpopulated ecosystem every day. It is no different with humans.

Eliminating money? That will NEVER happen.

As for Kamen's purification technique, this appeared on a site detailing the process:

produces 10 gallons of clean water an hour on 500 watts of electricity

Is that scalable to the size needed in order to be effective? Where will the energy come from to power it? Who will pay for it?


No offense intended, but it sounds like you are living in a bit of a fantasyland. Lets deal in reality here.

reply to post by Amaterasu

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I offer ways to fix things... Please see my post at the bottom of page 1 of this thread.

You did indeed, I wasn't meaning to say your answers won't work, I meant "they" as in the esoteric "them" the powers that be. They want you to think it's a problem, but not the problem it is, they will offer solutions, but they won't be for the good of the many.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by Amaterasu

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I offer ways to fix things... Please see my post at the bottom of page 1 of this thread.

You did indeed, I wasn't meaning to say your answers won't work, I meant "they" as in the esoteric "them" the powers that be. They want you to think it's a problem, but not the problem it is, they will offer solutions, but they won't be for the good of the many.

Thank you for the clarification. [smile] Maybe I'll start a thread called, "Will the Abundance Paradigm Work?" I think it will. IF enough people know about it.

"They" are Our fellow Beings, it turns out. "They" are choosing unEthically. They fail to give Humans the status of Being.

Thanks again. [smile]

Originally posted by ViperChili
reply to post by Amaterasu

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Starvation and disease would eliminate a large portion of 3rd world populations. As long as said diseases are contained, it would be quite effective. Your problem is you involve too much emotion in the thinking that "Oh no!!!!!, we can't let people starve, that would be horrible!!!!!". Animals starve in an overpopulated ecosystem every day. It is no different with humans.

Eliminating money? That will NEVER happen.

As for Kamen's purification technique, this appeared on a site detailing the process:

produces 10 gallons of clean water an hour on 500 watts of electricity

Is that scalable to the size needed in order to be effective? Where will the energy come from to power it? Who will pay for it?


No offense intended, but it sounds like you are living in a bit of a fantasyland. Lets deal in reality here.

What, exactly, are these elite and gigantic corporations going to do with their profits and massive bank accounts, anyways?

What is the point in constantly amassing all this wealth? If you spend $15,000 a month and have $80 billion, what are you waiting for?

I don't see why we think that money, energy, anything is at risk. I guarantee that if every 'elite' donated 25% of their wealth to discover cleaner burning coal (not that we probably already don't have it), disease research (researching completely healthy vaccines, and distributing them worldwide), and developing the infrastructure for solar energy and urban farming, we could do it with some to spare in infrastructure in solar energy and free energy development (if it's not already here).

We have enough oil to last our current (ridiculous, inefficient) needs for another 100 years. That's basically 100 years we have to develop alternative energy resources, and effectively end any global control. If there's enough food and clean energy to go around, and say everybody has 1/4 acre of farm able land located near a freshwater source, we're already in a Heaven we've built for ourselves.

To quote one of my favorite videos, "And there might yet be a heaven, but it isn’t going to be perfect. And we’re going to have to build it ourselves."

Overpopulation exists.

Overpopulation is a condition where an organism's numbers exceed the carrying capacity of its habitat.

And in humans, its not about mere surviving, but living a sufficient quality life.

Notice that the definition does not speak about reasons why carrying capacity is insufficient. Whether it is caused by the TPTB or genuine lack of resources, number of people approaches or exceeds current carrying capacity in some areas, so there is local overpopulation.

en.wikipedia.org...

sustainability.publicradio.org...

How many Earths would we need if everyone lived like a westerner, even assuming all people would live in modern ecological housing complexes with majority of power coming from renewables?

en.wikipedia.org...

Two recent studies have examined relatively low-impact small communities. BedZED, a 96-home mixed-income housing development in South London, was designed by Bill Dunster Architects and sustainability consultants BioRegional for the Peabody Trust. Despite being populated by relatively "mainstream" home-buyers, BedZED was found to have a footprint of 3.20 gha due to on-site renewable energy production, energy-efficient architecture, and an extensive green lifestyles program that included on-site London's first carsharing club.

Thats right, more than 3 Earths.

Now I am not advocating violent population reduction, but we certainly dont need further increase, and I am all for reducing the growth rate - that means preventing births, not killing people. At least in the overpopulated areas with high growth (demographic trap). See the chinese for inspiration

Why is 7 billion people not enough?

reply to post by spikey

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Great Post; very well presented.
Here are a couple of videos that address the overpopulation disinformation:



I get a kick out of people who say things like the world is over populated with this kind or that kind of people. I am a WASP and could easily say the same kind of thing but what the people who are always pointing their fingers in this direction or that don't realize others are pointing their fingers at them. Live and let live; those who refuse to live by this law are the ones who are not long for this world.

reply to post by spikey

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Yeah the world is overpopulated...with ignorant people and crazy power/money hungry punks

reply to post by spikey

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whats the point of 21 billion people then ? just to exists - if less people means more focus on our future like space travel and science instead of non profits to feed the poor guess which one I want.

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