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Originally posted by CouncilOfNine
reply to post by spikey
There are working zero point energy modules throughout the world, I am told that one of these modules can sit in the bottom of a cupboard, and supply a house with power forever for free.
Originally posted by Nathan-D
I agree with some of what you say, but I have no idea why you think I want to "get over" my belief that the masses are being dumbed down.
Originally posted by Nathan-D
I do still think that we are being dumbed-down chemically by the elite with malice aforethought.
Originally posted by Nathan-D
You also, oxymoronically, say we are "educated beyond our intelligence". How can a person be educated beyond their intelligence? Strikes me as rather odd.
Originally posted by Nathan-D
Anyway, I think the elite are keeping people dumbed down, not just by chemicals, but through other means, by the woefully inadequate, indoctrinatory, standardised education-system that discourages creative thought. As John Rockefeller once wrote, "I don't want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers".
Recently the International Patent Application of Trombly and Kahn (assigned to Acme Energy Co. of San Rafael, CA) has become public property under the Patent Cooperation treaty and can be obtained from the International Bureau of the World Intellectual Property Organization.
A copy of this patent application is attached. The difference between the international patents and the US patent system is that in the US the material of the patent is secret until the patent is granted, while overseas the application itself is the basis of the patent, which stands until challenged by a third party.
Thus although Adam Trombly, the senior designer of the machine, has received two written gag orders from the Pentagon Department of Defense, forbidding him to reveal details of the machine --- upon threat of 10 years imprisonment for violating security relating to homopolar generator design -- through the very nature of life itself by a totally automatic process, the attaché document falls into the public domain.
The attached patent application and drawings represent the result of the expenditure of $290,000 in two phases. The DOD-imposed secrecy has prevented any recompense whatsoever from accruing to the men who performed this work.
What is described is a machine, an electrical generator whose output exceeds the input by a factor of 4.92. Summary of Machine Parameters:
Rotor o.d: 14.0 inches
Rotor Length: 9.25 inches
Internal Rotor Diameter: 6 inches
Shaft Diameter (at widest point): 2 inches
Speed: 7200 rpm
Field: 15,000 gauss @ 150 watts field input
Voltage Output: 2.9 volts C @ 15,000 amperes
Drive Motor (DC) input (no load):
1.8 - 1.9 hp (1340-1470 watts) windage & friction
Drive Motor input (loaded): 10.8 Kw, 14.5 hp
Machine Internal Resistance: 6-10 micro-ohms
Output Power: 43.7 Kw (maximum achieved 45.8 kw)
Power gain of Machine: 45.8 / 9.3 (drag due to current withdrawal) = 4.92 In the above figure the 150 watts consumed in exciting the magnet is a negligible factor.
The numbers in the above list of machine parameters which were not included in the patent application have been obtained in private communication with Adam Trombly. The US patent application was rejected twice on the grounds of impossibility that the machine could work, and then the authors were warned not to publish any information on the basis of violation of secret homopolar generator work being done concurrently in the DOD. Technical Comment:
Trombly and Kahn are two of the brightest young physicists in America today. Their work is of the very highest quality and is reflected in the enclosed report. Technically what was done represents the first stages of the development of the N-machine as an article of commerce. Particularly two items are important. Closure of the magnetic field path in the Trombly machine allows for high magnetic field strength to be obtained with little effort, i.e., the 150 watts of excitation.
Strong magnetism in the N-machine rotor results in high voltage output but at the expense of increased drag. Extraction of current from a machine of this type wherein current is taken out through holes in the magnets (Be-Cu shaft in iron rotor), as well as flowing radially outward (to the edge of iron rotor), as well as flowing radially inward (to the edge of the disk liquid metal contact), through the outer flux return path causes a reverse motoring action which increases the drag of the machine. If the gap between the outer rotor annuli were increased the flux in the central core would decrease but also would the drag of the machine brought about by the anti-motoring action.
Experience as well as design philosophy will decide the proper balance between drag and power gain in a particular machine. In the earlier "Sunburst" machine drag was minimized by not closing the flux path and operating the machine in a totally non-magnetic (brass and wood) environment. Here the measured power gain was 28:1 at 10 kw output (1.5 v.d.c @ 6700 amperes). However, much more power was consumed in exciting the magnet of this machine, i.e., 4 kw vs. 150 watts for the Trombly machine. A major factor is the construction of the liquid metal brush system, which makes possible the power potential of a low voltage, very high current machine.
The solution described by Trombly seems to have been simultaneously invented by him, DePalma, and the DOD. Without necessarily having to add specific detail, it should be obvious how to enlarge the structure to handle more current. The liquid metal could be circulated to provide additional cooling. Different metals could be used, i.e., mercury. I estimate that the Trombly machine should be able to produce 100,000 amperes without difficulty. Conversion of the low voltage d.c. output to the standard 110 and 220 volt a.c./60 cps requires innovative engineering.
The easiest way is to run a Faraday disk motor at the low voltage and drive a conventional electrical generator to produce whatever voltage and current required. Conversion could also be attempted by interrupting the low voltage high current with some sort of liquid metal commutator and transforming the voltage directly without a transformer. These ideas are treated by Tesla in his patents for the design of liquid metal commutators and interrupters. The voltage could be transformed electronically but at this time is beyond the state of the art of low voltage high current transistors at the present time.
A larger diameter machine could be built. Voltage goes as the square of the machine radius. The low internal resistance, 6-10 micro-ohms, reported for the Trombly-Kahn machine speaks to the quality of the liquid metal sliding contacts obtained with the construction method described. Low internal resistance is crucial to obtaining high power output and avoiding internal heating. The Trombly-Kahn machine represents what bright young minds can accomplish given the right circumstances and support. The attempted suppression of this work only point up the feeblemindedness of the gerontocracy that rules science in the USA. Building a useful N-machine is a high-technology accomplishment. Intelligent designers and craftsmen can take this information and scale it to appropriate needs. The wish is to cause this technology to flourish on Earth. Bruce DePalma DePalma Institute
I'm sorry, if I said you WANTED to get over your belief the masses are being dumbed down I misspoke. I actually do NOT think you want to get over that belief, but rather to preserve it.
There is absolutely no need for the government to go to those extremes to dumb people down or depopulate us if that were their agenda. There are any number of very cheap and chemically simple ways to achieve either end that would be drastically more effective than the things you suspect.
'I dont believe that these substances are being created for that purpose
There are highly intelligent uneducated people, and highly educated people of very average intelligence.
if you think the human population growth is not a problem, or as the OP stated, "nothing but lies", you don't understand the implications of exponential growth. I teach high school math, and cover the math of human population growth whenever I can.
Originally posted by Nathan-D
Interesting. But surely these 'highly intelligent' autodidacts who have not had a formal education have still be educated in some capacity (i.e. they have assimilated information throughout their lifetime just as educated people do). What you say about people simply passively facsimileing information and mindlessly regurgitating it seems an epistemology encouraged throughout most schools.
Originally posted by Nathan-D
The problem, as I see it, is that we are not 'educated beyond our intelligence' as a species, it's that the education-system is designed in such a way as to create generations of adults who 'follow the book' and blindly defer to authority.
Why do people do that? When the conversation turns to intelligence, there is always some percentage of people who seem to feel peppering their comments with multi-syllabic words makes them seem more intelligent, and..............it doesnt. Chomsky once commented that often times, that is merely a strategy for concealing lack of understanding on the topic. The hope is that people will either become impressed or confused by the word usage, and the elaborate nature of sentence construction and not notice there is little "meat" in the discussion.
Your entire line of argument in terms of motive seems to be the assumption that the masses need to be dumbed-down, (and any good Bell curve should show you why thats not the case) and that a smaller population is easier to control.
“Because small groups talk to one another, they discuss, and they form bonds of loyalty. And they begin to work for the best interests of that small group. But the larger the group, the more likely it is to fracture along lines of competing interests, and THAT, that potential to fracture the group, is what makes it easy to control”.
The bottom line is simple. Education is a program, bits of data. Intelligence is the ability to manipulate, and synthesize new concepts from that data, or when lacking data, to analyze and formulate a theory all on its own. Many people memorize bits of data, and spit them out on cue, but never seem to notice that the theory is unworkable. (Economics has lately had a grand example of that, people highly educated, clearly beyond their ability to actually understand what they are learning well enough to see that the models they had memorized were fallacious).
And lead. Lead would easily have done the trick cheaply, and much more efficiently than fluoride.
more cheaply, and much more efficiently than fluoride.
Originally posted by Nathan-D
However I see you did not answer my question concerning the 'cheaper' and 'drastically more effective' alternatives of dumbing-down the population that you were speaking of.
Twenty-three years ago, an American philosophy professor named James Flynn discovered a remarkable trend: Average IQ scores in every industrialized country on the planet had been increasing steadily for decades. Despite concerns about the dumbing-down of society - the failing schools, the garbage on TV, the decline of reading - the overall population was getting smarter. And the climb has continued, with more recent studies showing that the rate of IQ increase is accelerating.
Originally posted by Nathan-D
Why put it in our drinking water when there have been so many pathologies over the years demonstrating unequivocally that fluoride consumption (at 2-3 ppm) is very bad for people and can dramatically reduce IQ? Is it just an accident they are putting a deadly neurotoxin in our drinking water? Surely not?
IQs appear to be increasing over all. Not decreasing. Which hardly adds good anecdotal evidence to your claim. So maybe, just maybe, the fact that the "elite" removed from many consumer products a substance known to dumb people down, lead, and the subsequent rise in IQ supports the idea that the "elite" do not have an agenda to dumb people down.
Yes I did. I said lead. Lead was in gas, in paint, in piping, in solder, any number of things, and it had exactly the effects you were looking for. It dumbed people down, dramatically, and it could and did also kill many of them. Not only was it cheap and plentiful, but it was also already in place. Meaning all they had to do was do nothing to continue to use it. Your theory about fluoride would mean that they had to remove lead from solder and piping, and paint, and gas, etc. only to replace it with something else that didnt work nearly as effectively
And why would they add something to the water that created harmful side effects? Because, like I have been arguing, humans are not nearly as smart as they think they are.
Originally posted by Nathan-D
I suspect that someone here may have already had their IQ substantially decreased by fluoride and is not thinking clearly.
Let's begin at the beginning: The first occurrence of fluoridated drinking water on Earth was found in Germany's Nazi prison camps. The Gestapo had little concern about fluoride's supposed effect on children's teeth; their alleged reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to sterilize humans and force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission. (Ref. book: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben" by Joseph Borkin.)
Originally posted by CouncilOfNine
reply to post by Illusionsaregrander
This Might shed a little light.
Let's begin at the beginning: The first occurrence of fluoridated drinking water on Earth was found in Germany's Nazi prison camps. The Gestapo had little concern about fluoride's supposed effect on children's teeth; their alleged reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to sterilize humans and force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission. (Ref. book: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben" by Joseph Borkin.)
Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by CouncilOfNine
Im not arguing that fluoride is not harmful, not that it should remain in the water supply, just to be clear. Im only arguing that it is highly improbable that it was added to the water supply with the intent of dumbing people down and depopulating them.