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There are only two choices.
Carry on as we are in our present self centred, profit and wealth based systems and expect severe population controls, further polluting of the planet, and resources increasingly available to a relative few.
Or we can avoid *all* of the above, painlessly, with only a change in our perceptions and the will to drive the required impetus to implement the changes, to let go of the old ideas of personal/national avarice, and work towards a new fresher and beneficial future for all of us.
Do you really know what is in a vaccine? (Reuters/Landov)But it's not just our food that the Bilderberg Group may have thought to use as population control. Conspiracy buff Alex Jones may not have the high profile that comes with repeatedly posing nude in Playboy magazine, like noted anti-vaccine activist Jenny McCarthy, but regardless, he believes that vaccines could be the vessels through which the Group might thin the human herd. Jones says the Bilderberg Group wants “a planetary dictatorship so they can carry out their forced depopulation agenda, and they want to do it through the medical system. And that’s why vaccines are so important. We know that many of these vaccines turn out to have serious adverse reactions and this is being done by design. They kill you slowly over time. That’s why they’re called 'soft kill.'”
There is much information available that shows the AIDS virus most likely being a manmade Bio-weapon. Two groups were initially inoculated with a supposed Hepatitis vaccine, Gays in America and some African Blacks. The Gay Experiment That Started AIDS in America by Alan Cantwell, M.D “There is no doubt that AIDS erupted in the U.S. shortly after government-sponsored hepatitis B vaccine experiments (1978-1981) using gay men as guinea pigs. The epidemic was caused by the “introduction” of a new retrovirus (the human immunodeficiency virus, or HIV for short); and the introduction of a new herpes-8 virus, the virus that causes Kaposi’s sarcoma, widely known as the “gay cancer” of AIDS.
The taboo theory that AIDS is a man-made disease is largely based on research showing an intimate connection between government vaccine experiments and the outbreak of “the gay plague.” “After studying the scientific evidence for man-made AIDS for so long, it is difficult for me to imagine anyone who knows the "facts" surrounding the origin of HIV/AIDS who cannot see a possible connection between the gay experiments and the outbreak of the "gay plague." “There are millions of white people in Sub-Saharan Africa. If HIV had been present for decades (as scientists insist), why is AIDS primarily a black man's disease-and not also a white man's disease in Africa? In the U.S., why was AIDS first discovered in white gays, but not in black gays?
There is no evidence that AIDS in America came from Africa or anywhere else outside of the USA. There is no possible way a black heterosexual sexually-transmitted epidemic in Africa could have transformed itself initially into a white gay man's disease in America. That, in itself, is the "smoking gun." The introduction of HIV via the hepatitis B trials was a deliberate attempt to liquidate the gay community - and then blame homosexual men for spreading the disease to the "general population" because of their perverted and "high risk" lifestyle. Why did a new "gay disease" erupt as soon as homosexuals, the most hated people in America, presented themselves as guinea pigs to medical scientists? Another coincidence of nature caused by monkeys in the African jungle? Why are new retroviral diseases, never before seen in modern medicine? appearing so soon after retroviruses were "discovered"? (Google: The Special Cancer Virus Program of the 1970s, the birthplace of HIV and AIDS) Why did the AIDS "super virus" appear a decade after it was predicted by the biowarfare experts? (Google the Congressional testimony of biological warfare researcher "Dr. Donald MacArthur " in 1969.) Another coincidence?”
The public has been carefully taught that Blacks and Gays and African Green Monkeys are responsible for causing AIDS. These politically correct and scientifically correct "facts" are accepted by most people without question. How many more AIDS deaths are required before people speak out against this secret genocide- and the obvious connection of vaccine experiments and the "introduction" of lethal viruses into "select populations"?”
Is swine flu a new bio-weapon?
The danger might lay in the cure and not the infection. Many vaccinations are dangerous. First the method of administration is not natural. When you breathe in germs and viruses the mucous membranes automatically trigger the immune system and start to fight the germ. This is not done when injected into the blood stream. Also, there are heavy metals in some of the vaccines and other interesting ingredients: List of Components of Glaxo H1N1 Vaccine 7-19-9 (source: Rense.com) by Jane Burgermeister birdflu666.wordpress.com:80... characterised-by-regulators-eu-and-usas-biodefense-stockpile-drug/
Originally posted by Nathan-D
Depopulating us and dumbing the masses down by putting nasty chemicals in our food and water is something I've suspected for a long time.
What lot of the dewy eyed idealists do not seem to realize is that hunger breeds violence. In his book "Collapse" Jared Diamond lays out a very good case for how overcrowding and hunger helped lead to the genocide in Rwanda. Its also been mentioned as a factor in the uprising in Egypt, as the price of food rises, people become more and more desperate.
Another thing those who are not absolute die hard fans of science and economics dont seem to realize is that we have hit a wall in food production growth. Now maybe some magic bullet will come out of nowhere and change that, but dont count on it.
Those who focus too narrowly, cant see the big picture. We, right now, are in the middle of a lot of converging factors that are conspiring to collapse our entire system. Which will lead to war. The move to India and China is a last ditch effort to keep the growth game going, but it will have an end. The demand for resources is going to rise much more quickly than people realize.
You know, I am reading a book right now on what happened in the housing market to bring the whole system down, and honestly? Its eerie how the same attitudes/type of thinking that led to that crash is paralleled in threads like this one. There were a few "pessimists" (who in fact were realists,) who looked at the big picture, and saw what was coming and they "shorted" what everyone else was doing. If there were somewhere I could "short" civilization, I would. IF we do nothing to reduce our numbers, we ARE going to have a catastrophic crash in our lifetime. I suppose a miracle could happen, which is what a lot of people are banking on, but I dont build my strategies so that they are based on, "and then a miracle occurred."
There is a combination of wishful thinking, greed, idealism, lack of broad understanding, (people have gotten too narrow in their interests and education) and so even though people sense we need to do something, not many realize just how close we are to having it all come down on top of us. We are this close.
Councilof9, I know what you are saying. I have likely studied the same material that you have. I later came to disagree with much of it. It really is the same indoctrination as is given by religious and political dogmas. Its just dressed up differently. The end result for all of them is the same. Likewise it would take a lot of writing to fully explain why. I’m older than you are and therefore have had more time to gather information and to process and digest that information. You are going thru that “spiritual superiority phase”. That is evident in every line you write. Keep going, you will mature in due time. In the meantime cool it. You are coming across as an arrogant know-it-all spouting nonsense. I doubt that the planet/Earth or its inhabitants are doing any “ascending”. That is as airy-fairy As the “rapture”.. There will be change, but not necessarily for the better as we think of “better”.
Originally posted by CouncilOfNine
And I suppose you read this science and economics in newspapers,magazines and watch it on TV??
I rest my case.
Originally posted by CouncilOfNine
My focus is so wide its almost 360 degrees. I am sorry but it is you and people like you who do not see the big picture, the system has been manufactured so that it will collapse, this is the plan.
Originally posted by CouncilOfNine
Did the book also tell you that at the hight of the housing collapse 70% of the bailout funds were transferred to the Bank of Saudi??..........I actually thought it was supposed to bail out US banks........oh sorry the NWO owns all those banks!!
US MARINE DRILL SERGEANT BOASTS OF WHAT THEY WILL DO TO CIVILIANS UNDER MARTIAL LAW IN THE USA/MONTANA
I am still kinda reeling from what a US Marine admitted to me in a long conversation...a crack US Marine drill sergeant with 12 years of professional training and being a trainer in the Marines. He specialized in hardening them to win (ie-fire on women and children wherever appropriate, "show no mercy" etc.)
He CONFIRMED lots of things to me to me I already knew, and revealed lots of new things to me. MARINE CONFIRMS PRISONER BOXCARS PREPOSITIONED EVERYWHERE FOR MARTIAL LAW- HE ADMITTED (actually, BOASTED would be more appropriate) that there were INDEED PRISONER BOXCARS PREPOSITIONED EVERYWHERE THROUGHOUT MONTANA where I interviewed him(and nationwide)...that the military has properly assessed the civilian resistance/militia threat under martial law, and hence had everything in place for a military takeover USING US MARINES HEAVILY.
Quote: "WHY do you THINK that they have the Marines in place in Billings, Montana, " he bragged. He explained that MARINES would be used most heavily in Montana(and NATIONWIDE) under martial law...and he was evidently quite proud of their role. He admitted they had been hardened to kill...and that killing women and children would be a part of their agenda wherever deemed necessary.
WHY? He said that under a state of war or martial law, it is a known fact that women can be used and even children to convey information to"the enemy." (OR to combat US forces.) He shared then how many men in his platoon stationed overseas had been killed or hurt because a Marine refused his orders, to fire on an eight year old child. The child was suspected to be a courier for the Mujahideen, transporting information about Marine logistics and whereabouts,to the Moslems they were fighting. And as a result of enemy information getting thru, many men in his platoon were injured or killed by resultant Moslem attack.
Quote: "The child may not have even known what he was transporting," the Marine told me, "But the damage to our men occurred regardless...all because one man refused his orders and failed to take out this threat..." We discussed the BOXCARS AND SHACKLES and MILITARY DETENTION CAMPS under MARTIAL LAW issue. A knowing smile broke out on his face as I described to him my research on future MARTIAL LAW and the role of PRISONER BOXCARS WITH SHACKLES.
When I mentioned how my research on this subject brought me to the HIGHLINE (the railroad tracks that run parallel to HIGHWAY 2 in northern Montana) and northern Montana, he admitted... Quote: "The boxcars are NOT just up there...we have them spread out ALL OVER MONTANA...Billings...Bozeman..." He went on to name city after city in Montana. TERMINATION IN THE PRISONER BOXCARS, MARINE STYLE- "LIKE SHEEP LED TO SLAUGHTER"
We discussed what would happen ONCE people were arrested under martial law and brought into these boxcars. MARINE style. Quote: He said, "In many cases they won't even waste a bullet on them. MANY WILL NEVER REACH THE CAMPS ALIVE. They have this thing we called a 'staple gun'..." I asked him to elaborate. "This 'gun' shoots out a long metal rod that hits another piece of metal...they just hold that to someone's head like a gun and...." He was in fact describing a STUN GUN, the same kind used to stun cattle and sheep in slaughterhouses prior to processing. I understood. With the same effect that a BULLET THRU THE HEAD, favored by military for dispatching people under such circumstances, would have. Only THIS way, the American people will become LIKE SHEEP LED TO SLAUGHTER...literally. and like dumb sheep led to slaughter, civilians arrested under martial law are not even considered worth the cost of a bullet...
Quote: RED-FLAG/BLACK FLAG- MARINE STANDARDS FOR "WHO SHALL LIVE, WHO SHALL DIE" We discussed various LISTS or status of people, once arrested, under MARTIAL LAW would have. You know, like FEMA RED-BLUE lists, etc. He responded by admitting that FEMA WAS ONLY A FRONT FOR SUCH OPERATIONS, and that IN FACT IT WOULD BE THE US MILITARY (with foreign troop assistance, UN/NATO/Pfp etc.,) OPERATING THE BOXCARS AND DEATHCAMPS. He said that the Marines had their RED FLAGGED people and BLACK FLAGGED people. When people come up RED FLAG on their computerized list, it is a person that will be arrested and taken to military camps, but may be "salvageable" (or can be rehabilitated, re-educated, etc.) But when people come up BLACK FLAGGED, they will be arrested and PUT TO DEATH. NO questions asked.
Quote: "When taking captives under MARTIAL LAW, we might even use a black flagged person who is going to die anyhow, and MAKE THEM AN EXAMPLE TO THE OTHER PEOPLE WE ARREST TO NOT MESS WITH US AND COOPERATE...by executing that person in front of the others...a form of CONTROL THRU FEAR." WHY THE US MILITARY IN IRAQ-A Marine Explains I discussed my loathing for the reports we were now receiving from IRAQ, about even young girls and teens being arrested indiscriminately, tortured and sodomized, raped, etc.
Quote: He replied, "You have to understand the logistics of WAR and what is happening there. Since the US soldiers are surrounded with people (Iraqis) and the enemy in many cases is THE UNKNOWN, that have to have ways to flush them out. By randomly selecting civilians to interrogate through torture and other means, and then releasing them, they are hoping that when that person who has been roughed up returns to their home or friends, it will provoke them (enemy combatants) into such anger and retaliation that they are FLUSHED OUT INTO THE OPEN so we can deal with them and know who the enemy really is."
He also admitted it creates FEAR in the people towards the occupying army, so that they will hesitate to rebel. In light of coming MARTIAL LAW, which he admitted WOULD COME DOWN IN AMERICA, I discussed my theory that THE US MILITARY THAT IS BEING HARDENED THROUGH SUCH PRACTICES IN IRAQ TODAY, will be the ones brought home to PERFORM THE SAME TASKS AGAINST THE US CIVILIANS IN THE FUTURE UNDER MARTIAL LAW. MARINE MENTALITY-FIRING UPON WOMEN AND CHILDREN AT COMMAND- He did not deny this. And when I mentioned my concern over whether or not they could get our own US troops to fire upon America citizens, even women and children, he explained to me the MARINE MENTALITY.
Quote: "These Marines have been hardened to KILL UPON COMMAND. They have been taught to NOT QUESTION THE ORDERS OF THEIR SUPERIORS OR COMMANDING OFFICER. THEY WILL KILL WHOEVER AND WHENEVER THEY ARE COMMANDED TO. " He let me know that concepts of MERCY or COMPASSION are diametrically opposed to WAR and military mentality.
I do accept that there are people trying to create a one world government for their own nefarious purposes. I do not accept that all the outcomes that happen are intentional on their part, nor do I accept that they are all in cahoots. Its more like rival mafias fighting for control of the worlds resources than it is one united group of brilliant and evil people with one agenda.
Read some history that really gets into the nuts and bolts of the "masses" in the old days. A lot of popular history deals with the top levels of society. The philosophers, kings, basically the smarter people. If you want to get over your belief that the masses are being dumbed down, read some histories, oh, say, of marriage and family from 1500 on or something.
It's not the chemicals. The masses have never been that bright. And all we have done is teach a lot of people with low native intelligence how to read and write and had them memorize some facts. We are educated beyond our intelligence as a species. The vast majority of the very bright are out of their league in dealing with these complex messes we have made.
Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
So, basically the OP is saying that in theory, if we completely dismantle the existing system and re-build a new one, based on technology we really havent mastered, we can sustain ourselves?
Brilliant! We can live(,) in theory!edit on 21-4-2011 by incrediblelousminds because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ChristianMentat
reply to post by spikey
Live in Asia for three years, the CHinese kind; And then reconsider your proposition or at least title of supposed worth.
Good luck. I for a Man am opposed to your propostion, at least.