Overpopulation? Elitest Propaganda and Damned Lies Lies Lies!

reply to post by spikey


I don't think you grasp the situation, but it's cool kid...because it really doesn't matter what you or I think on this topic. I'll keep hearing people say AGW is a farce, that scientists are liars, and that overpopulation is a myth?!

You just don't get it. Whatever.

reply to post by unityemissions


One person with a tank could probably control 1,400 people... Probably not 10,000 though.

I'm just saying that with an 80% reduction, They have enough tech and equipment to easily control what's left.

Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by spikey

 

I don't think you grasp the situation, but it's cool kid...because it really doesn't matter what you or I think on this topic. I'll keep hearing people say AGW is a farce, that scientists are liars, and that overpopulation is a myth?!

You just don't get it. Whatever.

What's there to get, ue? That there is plenty on this planet for all Humans, and that money stands in the way of Each of Us to live richly, is rather self-evident, as spikey showed in the OP.

Again, I ask, what is there to get?

Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by spikey

 

I don't think you grasp the situation, but it's cool kid...because it really doesn't matter what you or I think on this topic. I'll keep hearing people say AGW is a farce, that scientists are liars, and that overpopulation is a myth?!

You just don't get it. Whatever.

It's unfortunate that you don't appreciate what poster and i are saying on this thread, and there does appear to be a favourable meeting of minds on this issue (quite rare for an ATS thread in my experience), so taking the few replies so far given as a representative percentage of the general opinion, it's seems clear (to me at least) than there are a great many people sharing similar ideas in this area.

I realise not *everyone* is going to feel the same way, but in the real world, we only have to convince the majority of the sense of the necessary changes that will have to be made, to provide not only a sustainable future for us and the Earth, but more than that, a bright future filled with amazing opportunities for all.

And it looks like (so far) the majority are looking favourably to some of the ideas/solutions in this thread.

I respect your opinion though, and appreciate you taking the trouble to post and add to the thread.

Cheers.

The industrial revolution created the boom in population. Now the industrialists(corporatists) that profited from the extra labor want to lay off 90% of the population - permanently. If every community grew their own food and produced their own energy, the population would sort itself out, along with a lot of the other issues we face. In fact the populations of the 1st world nations have been on a steady decline for decades now.

reply to post by spikey


Excellent information and presentation. Too bad this isn't mainstream and routine practice and procedures already. Our cities now are limited resource enclosures and instead of expanding out, they subdivide in and makes people and activities cramped and under served. Price per square footage, delivery of resources, infrastructure and support all vital considerations but this is like the high speed rail. People do not want to collectively invest in solutions. States are talking about seceding thanks to joint investments by the Fed Govt now. Until we work somewhat collectively we will go backwards instead of forward from this point on I think.

reply to post by Smack


Very true.

Now we need another type of revolution to sort out the mess created by the industrial.

Thanks mate.

reply to post by newcovenant


Agreed.

We need a collaborative, rational and positive approach that will include all of us, not a few of us at the expense of most of us.

Thanks for the thanks and the post.

Apologies to any of you that post replies to this thread that do not get answered by me right away, only i have to go out for a bit, and won't be around...i *will* read and reply as soon as i get back.

Thanks all.

reply to post by unityemissions

You just don't get it. Whatever.

You, young grasshopper are the one that does not get it. Sure humans cause harm to the earth, only because TPTB have controlled how we live, and have suppressed the clean and efficient ways of life that could have us all live in abundance and harmony.

Thanks for coming out, striking out too.

I think this over population problem is over hyped but it is indeed an issue. We are now at a point that we can not sustain the food production we are using. Yes, if we tear the entire system down and rebuild efficiently it can be fixed. The fact is we need to resort to factory farming to feed the masses, for whatever reasons, that is the fact.

Another issue is water waste. Sure, you aren't actually removing the elements that make the water, but you sure can pollute the crap out of it. Industrial waste and radioactive waste doesn't get filtered out in the ground. We've polluted entire ecosystems in this manner.

And don't forget the massive amounts of waste each human (in the west) creates each year. We have a massive garbage patch floating around the ocean right now. We have so much garbage we're building man made islands and "reclaiming" land.

Under our current systems, we're running on fumes. With global food production in the hands of a few companies, a few bad seasons and we're doomed.

Yes, there is plenty to go around, if you are willing to take what you need and only what you need. Sadly, we've proven at least in the west, we will never do this. We'll kill someone for a loaf of bread and trample someone to death for a tickle me elmo.

Yes, overpopulation is a problem, but not for the reasons THEY want you to hear and it won't be fixed with any solutions THEY offer.

This information gives some hope. I just find it alarming folks buy into this overpopulation myth and want to somehow fix it.

By what? Gathering all those labeled as useless into a corral and slaughter them? I mean you might as well do that.

reply to post by anon102


Eliminating all forms of foreign aid in terms of financial and agricultural would be a good place to start.

The planet, just like every other ecosystem, has a certain carrying capacity. Irresponsible breeding caused by morons who believe in an invisible sky zombie are a large cause of the population problems we will soon face.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
I think this over population problem is over hyped but it is indeed an issue. We are now at a point that we can not sustain the food production we are using. Yes, if we tear the entire system down and rebuild efficiently it can be fixed. The fact is we need to resort to factory farming to feed the masses, for whatever reasons, that is the fact.

Another issue is water waste. Sure, you aren't actually removing the elements that make the water, but you sure can pollute the crap out of it. Industrial waste and radioactive waste doesn't get filtered out in the ground. We've polluted entire ecosystems in this manner.

And don't forget the massive amounts of waste each human (in the west) creates each year. We have a massive garbage patch floating around the ocean right now. We have so much garbage we're building man made islands and "reclaiming" land.

Under our current systems, we're running on fumes. With global food production in the hands of a few companies, a few bad seasons and we're doomed.

Yes, there is plenty to go around, if you are willing to take what you need and only what you need. Sadly, we've proven at least in the west, we will never do this. We'll kill someone for a loaf of bread and trample someone to death for a tickle me elmo.

Yes, overpopulation is a problem, but not for the reasons THEY want you to hear and it won't be fixed with any solutions THEY offer.

I offer ways to fix things... Please see my post at the bottom of page 1 of this thread.

Originally posted by ViperChili
reply to post by anon102

 

Eliminating all forms of foreign aid in terms of financial and agricultural would be a good place to start.

That sounds USA-centric... Not a planetary solution...

The planet, just like every other ecosystem, has a certain carrying capacity. Irresponsible breeding caused by morons who believe in an invisible sky zombie are a large cause of the population problems we will soon face.

Except... The planet could easily hold two times the present population and support it easily. Define "irresponsible breeding." And do you have a solution for this "irresponsible breeding?"

IDK if anyone ever thought about this but I've heard a lot about disclosure coming soon for Aliens and everything. I've also seen a lot of movies coming up about aliens attacking earth. Could it be possible that all the UFO's and everything to make people think Aliens are real could be made up by the government and the government are the real UFO's. Isn't the technology we have very outdated?

So isn't it possible to say that if Aliens were to really attack the earth, it could be a big conspiracy and really be the government attacking us with better technology and blaming it on aliens and the reason could be depopulation??

UFO's attacking earth(really the government and military) attacking humans and people to depopulate the world..hmm idk..sounds reasonable.

reply to post by Authenticated


you dont have to kill anyone to start population control, we already have disease and disaster to take out the large numbers. all we'd have to do is start reproducing at 2 children per couple. i personally see benefits from living with less mouths to feed.

Originally posted by Amaterasu



That sounds USA-centric... Not a planetary solution...

If all "first-world nations" eliminated all forms of assistance to 3rd world nations, it would be a viable planetary solution.

Except... The planet could easily hold two times the present population and support it easily. Define "irresponsible breeding." And do you have a solution for this "irresponsible breeding?"

It most certainly cannot hold twice the population. Just for fun, lets see your evidence substantiating that claim.

Water is already an issue all over the planet. So is energy. There are already infrastructure problems all over, and you believe twice the amount of people is something that is supportable? Where would the funding come from?

Irresponsible breeding: Having children you cannot afford to adequately care for. As for the solution to that problem, it would have to be a multi faceted approach. Eliminating all foreign aid would result in shorter lifespans for adults, who would in turn have less time to breed. The children that were born wouldn't live very long without adequate food, water, and medical care.

The list of viable options would be quite lengthy.

Originally posted by ViperChili

Originally posted by Amaterasu
That sounds USA-centric... Not a planetary solution...

If all "first-world nations" eliminated all forms of assistance to 3rd world nations, it would be a viable planetary solution.

How do you see this as so?

Except... The planet could easily hold two times the present population and support it easily. Define "irresponsible breeding." And do you have a solution for this "irresponsible breeding?"

It most certainly cannot hold twice the population. Just for fun, lets see your evidence substantiating that claim.

Water is already an issue all over the planet. So is energy. There are already infrastructure problems all over, and you believe twice the amount of people is something that is supportable? Where would the funding come from?

Water would be no problem if we used Dean Kamen's purification tech and plenum ("dark"/Zero Point/radiant/orgone/...) energy to run them. And plenum energy will solve energy issues. What you may be concerned with is the MONEY to build what is needed. Turns out that if we add plenum energy (effectively infinite) the need for money will dissipate. For further information on this, please read my thread, linked in my sig called The End of Entropy.

Irresponsible breeding: Having children you cannot afford to adequately care for. As for the solution to that problem, it would have to be a multi faceted approach. Eliminating all foreign aid would result in shorter lifespans for adults, who would in turn have less time to breed. The children that were born wouldn't live very long without adequate food, water, and medical care.

Wow. That's rather cold. Let's starve people because we're too lazy to find better solutions? Better to release plenum energy.

The list of viable options would be quite lengthy.

I would not opt for any list that includes starving Humans...

This is the very topic that made me want to join ATS to begin with. I've been in school for 3 years now and since entering my third year all my teachers have been able to tell us is how now that we're in our third year of university they can teach us to think again. But I digress, I've also been told a lot about the "human population problem" and how we can fix it. I almost got up and walked away in disgust at one of our lectures. I would share the presentation with you guys, I'm just not sure if we're allowed to post other people's powerpoints on ATS.