The industrial revolution created the boom in population. Now the industrialists(corporatists) that profited from the extra labor want to lay off 90% of the population - permanently. If every community grew their own food and produced their own energy, the population would sort itself out, along with a lot of the other issues we face. In fact the populations of the 1st world nations have been on a steady decline for decades now.

Apologies to any of you that post replies to this thread that do not get answered by me right away, only i have to go out for a bit, and won't be around...i *will* read and reply as soon as i get back.

Thanks all.

I think this over population problem is over hyped but it is indeed an issue. We are now at a point that we can not sustain the food production we are using. Yes, if we tear the entire system down and rebuild efficiently it can be fixed. The fact is we need to resort to factory farming to feed the masses, for whatever reasons, that is the fact.

Another issue is water waste. Sure, you aren't actually removing the elements that make the water, but you sure can pollute the crap out of it. Industrial waste and radioactive waste doesn't get filtered out in the ground. We've polluted entire ecosystems in this manner.

And don't forget the massive amounts of waste each human (in the west) creates each year. We have a massive garbage patch floating around the ocean right now. We have so much garbage we're building man made islands and "reclaiming" land.

Under our current systems, we're running on fumes. With global food production in the hands of a few companies, a few bad seasons and we're doomed.

Yes, there is plenty to go around, if you are willing to take what you need and only what you need. Sadly, we've proven at least in the west, we will never do this. We'll kill someone for a loaf of bread and trample someone to death for a tickle me elmo.

Yes, overpopulation is a problem, but not for the reasons THEY want you to hear and it won't be fixed with any solutions THEY offer.

This information gives some hope. I just find it alarming folks buy into this overpopulation myth and want to somehow fix it.

By what? Gathering all those labeled as useless into a corral and slaughter them? I mean you might as well do that.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
I think this over population problem is over hyped but it is indeed an issue. We are now at a point that we can not sustain the food production we are using. Yes, if we tear the entire system down and rebuild efficiently it can be fixed. The fact is we need to resort to factory farming to feed the masses, for whatever reasons, that is the fact.

Another issue is water waste. Sure, you aren't actually removing the elements that make the water, but you sure can pollute the crap out of it. Industrial waste and radioactive waste doesn't get filtered out in the ground. We've polluted entire ecosystems in this manner.

And don't forget the massive amounts of waste each human (in the west) creates each year. We have a massive garbage patch floating around the ocean right now. We have so much garbage we're building man made islands and "reclaiming" land.

Under our current systems, we're running on fumes. With global food production in the hands of a few companies, a few bad seasons and we're doomed.

Yes, there is plenty to go around, if you are willing to take what you need and only what you need. Sadly, we've proven at least in the west, we will never do this. We'll kill someone for a loaf of bread and trample someone to death for a tickle me elmo.

Yes, overpopulation is a problem, but not for the reasons THEY want you to hear and it won't be fixed with any solutions THEY offer.

I offer ways to fix things... Please see my post at the bottom of page 1 of this thread.

IDK if anyone ever thought about this but I've heard a lot about disclosure coming soon for Aliens and everything. I've also seen a lot of movies coming up about aliens attacking earth. Could it be possible that all the UFO's and everything to make people think Aliens are real could be made up by the government and the government are the real UFO's. Isn't the technology we have very outdated?

So isn't it possible to say that if Aliens were to really attack the earth, it could be a big conspiracy and really be the government attacking us with better technology and blaming it on aliens and the reason could be depopulation??

UFO's attacking earth(really the government and military) attacking humans and people to depopulate the world..hmm idk..sounds reasonable.

Originally posted by Amaterasu



That sounds USA-centric... Not a planetary solution...

If all "first-world nations" eliminated all forms of assistance to 3rd world nations, it would be a viable planetary solution.

Except... The planet could easily hold two times the present population and support it easily. Define "irresponsible breeding." And do you have a solution for this "irresponsible breeding?"

It most certainly cannot hold twice the population. Just for fun, lets see your evidence substantiating that claim.

Water is already an issue all over the planet. So is energy. There are already infrastructure problems all over, and you believe twice the amount of people is something that is supportable? Where would the funding come from?

Irresponsible breeding: Having children you cannot afford to adequately care for. As for the solution to that problem, it would have to be a multi faceted approach. Eliminating all foreign aid would result in shorter lifespans for adults, who would in turn have less time to breed. The children that were born wouldn't live very long without adequate food, water, and medical care.

The list of viable options would be quite lengthy.

Originally posted by ViperChili

Originally posted by Amaterasu
That sounds USA-centric... Not a planetary solution...

If all "first-world nations" eliminated all forms of assistance to 3rd world nations, it would be a viable planetary solution.

How do you see this as so?

Except... The planet could easily hold two times the present population and support it easily. Define "irresponsible breeding." And do you have a solution for this "irresponsible breeding?"

It most certainly cannot hold twice the population. Just for fun, lets see your evidence substantiating that claim.

Water is already an issue all over the planet. So is energy. There are already infrastructure problems all over, and you believe twice the amount of people is something that is supportable? Where would the funding come from?

Water would be no problem if we used Dean Kamen's purification tech and plenum ("dark"/Zero Point/radiant/orgone/...) energy to run them. And plenum energy will solve energy issues. What you may be concerned with is the MONEY to build what is needed. Turns out that if we add plenum energy (effectively infinite) the need for money will dissipate. For further information on this, please read my thread, linked in my sig called The End of Entropy.

Irresponsible breeding: Having children you cannot afford to adequately care for. As for the solution to that problem, it would have to be a multi faceted approach. Eliminating all foreign aid would result in shorter lifespans for adults, who would in turn have less time to breed. The children that were born wouldn't live very long without adequate food, water, and medical care.

Wow. That's rather cold. Let's starve people because we're too lazy to find better solutions? Better to release plenum energy.

The list of viable options would be quite lengthy.

I would not opt for any list that includes starving Humans...

This is the very topic that made me want to join ATS to begin with. I've been in school for 3 years now and since entering my third year all my teachers have been able to tell us is how now that we're in our third year of university they can teach us to think again. But I digress, I've also been told a lot about the "human population problem" and how we can fix it. I almost got up and walked away in disgust at one of our lectures. I would share the presentation with you guys, I'm just not sure if we're allowed to post other people's powerpoints on ATS.