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Originally posted by Mason mike
My question deals with Jesters. A group that until this site, I has never heard of. Lucifer parades himself as an intellectual who doesn't lie, but the few simple checks to his claims show him to be either real stupid, or an outright liar. Or quite possibly a combination of both. After all, the Jesters were the ones being prosecuted for the prostitution. So far, all he has been able to prove about the Shriners is they like to party. We already knew that. Party and give money and time to help kids.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Before anyone is a Jester or a Shriner, he is a Mason, and is expected to conduct himself as such.
i know the masons hold the supposed story of Hiram Abiff in high regard but i don't think he's the consensus messiah i would say they hold Albert Pike in higher regard and even heard the name Jahbulon as some members God dunno....
Hiram Abiff is a character in an allegorical play (degree). The story is summarized fairly well in the wikipedia article. He's not a messianic figure at all, though is character is exemplar. Some people misrepresent part of the play as a resurrection, and thus try to say Hiram is a replacement for Christ, but that's not an accurate interpretation.
Originally posted by King Seesar
As far as Hiram Abiff i saw a show on tv were they showed a mason being indoctrinated into the first degree and the theme was a make believe tale of Abiff and the mason had to go through a story line until he reached the final actor/mason and when the play was over he was a mason, i know the masons hold the supposed story of Hiram Abiff in high regard but i don't think he's the consensus messiah i would say they hold Albert Pike in higher regard and even heard the name Jahbulon as some members God dunno....
Originally posted by King Seesar
But yea thanks for understanding i try to keep a open mind on most topics, like i said i'm a believer in Christ but that dosen't mean i can't find wisdom in Buddhism or Hinduism, i can, i just don't take it as the gospel
Morals & Dogma, Ch. XXVI, pp. 524-526
We do not undervalue the importance of any Truth. We utter no word that can be deemed irreverent by any one of any faith. We do not tell the Moslem that it is only important for him to believe that there is but one God, and wholly unessential whether Mahomet was His prophet. We do not tell the Hebrew that the Messiah whom he expects was born in Bethlehem nearly two thousand years ago; and that he is a heretic because he will not so believe. And as little do we tell the sincere Christian that Jesus of Nazareth was but a man like us, or His history but the unreal revival of an older legend. To do either is beyond our jurisdiction. Masonry, of no one age, belongs to all time; of no one religion, it finds its great truths in all.
To every Mason, there is a GOD; ONE, Supreme, Infinite in Goodness, Wisdom, Foresight, Justice, and Benevolence; Creator, Disposer, and Preserver of all things. How, or by what intermediates He creates and acts, and in what way He unfolds and manifests Himself, Masonry leaves to creeds and Religions to inquire.
To every Mason, the soul of man is immortal. Whether it emanates from and will return to God, and what its continued mode of existence hereafter, each judges for himself. Masonry was not made to settle that.
To every Mason, WISDOM or INTELLIGENCE, FORCE or STRENGTH, and HARMONY, or FITNESS and BEAUTY, are the Trinity of the attributes of God. With the subtleties of Philosophy concerning them Masonry does not meddle, nor decide as to the reality of the supposed Existences which are their Personifications: nor whether the Christian Trinity be such a personification, or a Reality of the gravest import and significance.
To every Mason, the Infinite Justice and Benevolence of God give ample assurance that Evil will ultimately be dethroned, and the Good, the True, and the Beautiful reign triumphant and eternal. It teaches, as it feels and knows, that Evil, and Pain, and Sorrow exist as part of a wise and beneficent plan, all the parts of which work together under God's eye to a result which shall be perfection. Whether the existence of evil is rightly explained in this creed or in that, by Typhon the Great Serpent, by Ahriman and his Armies of Wicked Spirits, by the Giants and Titans that war against Heaven, by the two co-existent Principles of Good and Evil, by Satan's temptation and the fall of Man, by Lok and the Serpent Fenris, it is beyond the domain of Masonry to decide, nor does it need to inquire. Nor is it within its Province to determine how the ultimate triumph of Light and Truth and Good, over Darkness and Error and Evil, is to be achieved; nor whether the Redeemer, looked and longed for by all nations, hath appeared in Judea, or is yet to come.
It reverences all the great reformers. It sees in Moses, the Lawgiver of the Jews, in Confucius and Zoroaster, in Jesus of Nazareth, and in the Arabian Iconoclast, Great Teachers of Morality, and Eminent Reformers, if no more: and allows every brother of the Order to assign to each such higher and even Divine Character as his Creed and Truth require.
Thus Masonry disbelieves no truth, and teaches unbelief in no creed, except so far as such creed may lower its lofty estimate of the Deity, degrade Him to the level of the passions of humanity, deny the high destiny of man, impugn the goodness and benevolence of the Supreme God, strike at those great columns of Masonry, Faith, Hope, and Charity, or inculcate immorality, and disregard of the active duties of the Order.
Masonry is a worship; but one in which all civilized men can unite; for it does not undertake to explain or dogmatically to settle those great mysteries, that are above the feeble comprehension of our human intellect. It trusts in God, and HOPES; it BELIEVES, like a child, and is humble. It draws no sword to compel others to adopt its belief, or to be happy with its hopes. And it WAITS with patience to understand the mysteries of Nature and Nature's God hereafter.
Originally posted by JoshNorton
So do the majority of businesses in the world. Someone self-employed is at the top of his own pyramid and has nobody above or below him. A small company at the very least has a boss and then people under him. Larger companies require more layers, until you get to big corporations which have one CEO, multiple vice presidents, even more division heads, etc... trickling down.
Originally posted by illuminazislayer
Yes it is true; masonic cult has a pyramid shaped, authoritarian power structure,
Such hierarchy exists because it's time proven as one of the best ways to get things done. If you have a corporation with 1000 employees, and they all have equal say and nobody takes instruction from anybody else, how would you manage to stay in business?
The “entrepreneurs” who started the pyramid sit at the top, skimming the majority of the profit. “They’re the ones that are really getting wealthy off of this,” Mike says. “Everybody is paying them, and they never go out of the top of this pyramid. They are sitting at the top permanently.”
Freemason may take 10, 20, 30 or more years but is not based on time, the way initiates rise degrees is through invitation by members of a higher degree, in which this is the nature of all secret societies, the only way to get ahead is by appeasing those ahead of you. It is through this behind kissing pyramid structure that the few bloodline elite at the top control the many at the bottom.
Karl Barrie, of Halton YMCA sexually abused young girls for years
A 21-YEAR-OLD man who admitted raping a girl aged under 13 and sexually assaulting two young female children was jailed for eight years yesterday, at Warrington Crown Court.
Karl Barrie, of Halton YMCA, Halton Lodge Avenue, Runcorn, admitted 19 counts of indecently and sexually assaulting two girls aged under 13 and sexual activity with a 15-year-old girl.
Man, 70, Sentenced In YMCA Sex Abuse Case
BEAVERTON, Ore. -- A 70-year-old man convicted of sexually abusing a boy at a Beaverton YMCA was sentenced to 25 years in prison Friday.
A Washington County judge also said Philip Riley must register as a sex offender. He was found guilty of three counts of first-degree sex abuse and one count of sodomy earlier this month.
Former Melrose YMCA employee James Conner will spend up to 30 years in prison after years of manipulating and sexually assaulting young girls under his care, according to the terms of an agreement reached between Conner and the Middlesex District Attorney's office on Monday.
Conner, 52, of North Reading, pleaded guilty to all 20 charges, including five counts of rape of a child with force and four counts of indecent assault on a child, during a conference at Middlesex Superior Court in Woburn.
Originally posted by Mason mike
Originally posted by Lucifer777
Above: Shriner Masons.
Those evil, evil clowns. traveling from town to town, putting on parades and making children laugh. What a horrid way to spend your life. Living it to make a child smile.
Lucifer, this being a free speech message board, you can continue to lie as you have,
... I feel sorry for you that you have such an empty spot in your heart. I wonder what your father thinks of your rants here?