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NEWS: China Shuts Down 700 Porno Web Sites

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posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by zcheng
I applaud Chinese government actions to protect the interest of public.
Freedom has limit.


I rest my case.

Four out of four dictators prefer censorship. Its easy to censor someone elses speach especally if you do not like it. There are people on this board that I think are perverts and morons but I dont have ANYONE on my ignore list. You can say its about the children but in the end you are trying to limit MY choices of what I do or do not look at or read. Its starts with Porn, something that means different things to different people, to some S/M.com is normal and to some Michelangilos David is porn. Who decides?

And why stop there?

After all science sites can lead to bomb and drug making.
Family planing sites can lead to pre marital sex
Religious sites can tempt your children to pagan faiths,
ETC

Where does it end?




posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 03:07 PM
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Stumbled across this first thing in the morning, for some reason I thought it apprpiate!


Lust is one of the seven deadly sins first identified by Pope Gregory the Great in the 6th century. He nailed them all: Lust, anger, envy, gluttony, sloth, pride, and greed. It's a cornucopia of bad living.............Pope Gregory in the 6th Century

a mere mortal I might add!


Blackburn told the Times that he wants to save lust "from the denunciations of old men of the deserts, to deliver it from the pallid and envious confessor, and the stocks and pillories of the Puritans, to drag it from the category of sin to that of virtue."

How does he plan to do this? He defines lust as "the enthusiastic desire for sexual activity and its pleasures for its own sake." But if lust is reciprocated, that leads to pleasure and "best flourishes when unencumbered by bad philosophy and ideology...which prevent its freedom of flow."

Here is Blackburn's logic at work: Thirst is not considered sin, nor is it criticized. But thirst can lead to drunkenness. In the same way, lust should not be condemned just because it can go unchecked........

cnn.netscape.cnn.com.../lust/lust&floc=wn-np


[edit on 28-7-2004 by tututkamen]

[edit on 28-7-2004 by tututkamen]



posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 04:10 PM
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I don't think anyone on this thread is saying that "sex" for the sake of sex is wrong...we all do it, we are human, and many of us most likely deviate well away from the "normal"..... again, which is ok between consenting adults What many here is trying to say, unfortunately unsuccessfully, is that the Porn industry which does include drugging, raping and the deprivation of woman....in order to film it, is not healthy for children to watch and needs regulated



posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by LadyV
is not healthy for children to watch and needs regulated


I'd agree that it is unhealthy for young children to watch, however I have one question...

Cigarettes, alcohol, and guns are (wrongfully in my opinion) regulated, do they make their way to children?

Regulations almost always never work, the answer comes back to the one who truely controls children until they are adults, and that is their parents.

Why should parents give the responsibility of raising their children to government?

If you feel it is so hard to avoid internet porn, tv violence, there is a solution. Even if you won't admit it, it's simple.

Unplug the computer, Disconnect the tv, although these are drastic measures, they are there though.



posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by BeingWatchedByThem
Why should parents give the responsibility of raising their children to government?


WOW! I don't think because something has logical regulations...such as a portal in which one must enter to access porn sites, giving responsibilty of raising children to the government!



posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by LadyV
WOW! I don't think because something has logical regulations...such as a portal in which one must enter to access porn sites, giving responsibilty of raising children to the government!


I was talking in general, schooling, smoking, drinking, and other wrong medical "safety" laws (i.e. No tanning until 18 even with parental permission).

It takes away from the parents the choice of how to raise their child.



posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 05:04 PM
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What parent would "choose" to let their child view pornography?
It makes more sense to me to have a portal for adult sites than all the ridiculous silliness about "one nation under god" in the schools debates!



posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by Amuk
You mean like its someone elses problem that you cannot take time monitar your childrens internet access? I have raised 4 kids without having to have the government decide for me what they should or should not see.

[edit on 28-7-2004 by Amuk]


Oh geez, I wasn't blessed with children myself, but you sound like you have done a wonderful job. But I don't personally know more than 2 people who have the luxury of being able to be there every second of the day. The rest of them are at their wits end by the time the kid hits 12 whether or not they are good parents.

Most parents are not ideal, some out of negligence and more out of the impossibility of being there every minute in this world. If you are realistic you could see that the shortcomings of individual parents are enhanced by the difficult/different world we live in than what I grew up in.

Anyway, this issue is not just about kids. Everyone defending the right to convenient (unnecessarily) porn has absolutely ignored the fact that it cannot be avoided on the internet. Why should it be so available that it shows up in innocent searches?

Could all the parents cut the electricity everytime they walk out the door? Yeah, but why should they have to and how realistic is that? They would have to lock their kids away too, cause most of the parents of kids they will visit don't know enough or care enough to monitor.

This issue is not as simple as parents not doing enough to monitor their kids.



posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 06:28 PM
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you cant go shutting down porn in america its personal entertainment. besides our goverment cant shut down porn. now you have to signup for porn sites even though they give free tours. everyone on here saw porn when they were a kid, big deal unless you were a nun or something.



posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 06:28 PM
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Relentless

I was not always there for mine either but I always trusted my judgement over the governments

Here is a thread I started over censorship that you (and others) might find interesting

www.abovetopsecret.com...


When faced with too much freedom or too much control I will always choose too much freedom.



posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 06:30 PM
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if the american goverment takes down porn then they would have to get rid of nudity in movies and art and statues in museums.



posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by machinegunjordan
if the american goverment takes down porn then they would have to get rid of nudity in movies and art and statues in museums.


I don't think anyone has said to take it down entirely on this thread.

But I do think a lot of people have brought up some valid concerns about how accessible it is like it or not. I should be able to avoid it if I am doing a serious medical search AND I CAN'T! It's too much!!!



posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 07:39 PM
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DAMN people! No one, well, maybe a couple of people wants it shut down...I think most people here just think it would be a positive thing to have one portal to access porn..NO one can avoid it whether they want to see it or not...any innocent search will bring up pornography...try googling for any type of image...you will get porn pics...sheeeeeeeesh

EDIT: Those that do not want to see it have rights also.....why does it have to be shoved down the throats of those that don't, just so those that do....still have their "rights"!?

[edit on 7/28/2004 by LadyV]



posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by LadyV
NO one can avoid it whether they want to see it or not...any innocent search will bring up pornography...try googling for any type of image...you will get porn pics...sheeeeeeeesh


Then let the market make the solution, (i.e. porn-free search engine) or tell google or dogpile or yahoo, whoever that you'd like to see a porn-free search engine. If there is a big demand (which I think there is honestly) it will be taken up by a smart business person.



EDIT: Those that do not want to see it have rights also.....why does it have to be shoved down the throats of those that don't, just so those that do....still have their "rights"!?


You have the right to do something, and the right not to do it. However, you do not have the right to force your beliefs on others, and infringe on their rights.



posted on Jul, 29 2004 @ 12:54 AM
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For those of you talking about shutting down porn on the net, it might be of interest to know that porn used to be and might still possibly be the biggest business on the net. I'm not sure if that's the case anymore but the internet used to be mainly porn from the information I've read about the internet. It's almost like taking a tobacco company that expands into cookies and a few other products and then people start complaining about not being able to avoid the tobacco product ads when looking at their products.

I have no problem avoiding porn while surfing the net if I don't click like a drunk maniac. I just read the messages before I click on them. If I was really upset about what popped up I could install filters on my pc so I don't see anything inappropriate. Even better if I got really mad, I could cancel the internet. I never even got to use a pc when I was a little kid so I don't see a need for a little kid to be left alone on a pc. If you do decide to exercise too much control over your kids, I've heard stories of kids gone wild when they get away from that control.



posted on Jul, 29 2004 @ 02:50 AM
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I don't have a problem avoiding porn either. A popup blocker, a spyware blocker and a firewall. Stops most all of it. A reasonable person would make sure that any toys or play equipment they gave to their children were safe, why is a pc any different?

My wife and I have 5 kids, from 6 to 16. If you have to worry about what they are doing on the internet by the time they are 12 or 13, you have already lost the battle. I don't have much to worry about. My kids know what is good and what is bad, right from wrong and what is acceptable. They understand consequences and are quite able to make proper choices.
And they do, almost every time. When they make a mistake, it's a learning experience, not a time for mom and dad to have a heart attack.

If kids aren't raised right from the beginning, 12 or 13 is much too late to start worrying about it!



posted on Jul, 29 2004 @ 03:04 AM
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Oh, and about the porn being forced upon people. Don't you READ what a link is pointing to BEFORE you click on it?


XL5

posted on Jul, 29 2004 @ 04:42 AM
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I'm not going to repeat my self but its the same deal and the "fun" starts on page 2.
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jul, 29 2004 @ 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by Montana
Oh, and about the porn being forced upon people. Don't you READ what a link is pointing to BEFORE you click on it?
What a silly statement LOL...I use a pop up stopper but not everyone does....you also don't need to click on annything when googling for an image dear...the pics are right there



posted on Jul, 29 2004 @ 08:56 AM
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I think search engines should put more effort into the whole porn-problem as well. It would not be that hard to exclude the biggest part of porn-sites from search engines, but since it will make google/altavista lose customers they will not do such things.
Once again, it's all about the money.



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