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posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by orionthehunter[/iquote]

One judges view of censorship is quite different than others. I believe it was once considered pornographic for females to show their legs in public a long time ago. I believe the religious right still believes all nudity is a form of pornography and should be censored. One vague law can multiply to cover wide areas that you never thought of.


I truly understand exactly where you are coming from, I do...and for the most part, you're right, but for such things as "Fantasy rape sites, girls made to look very young for pedophiles sites, torture sites....there's not many, other than the deviates that get off on such depravation, that wouldn't agree that they don't need to be around children...I am not suggesting censorship, but making one portal in which one must enter to view pornography, (as mentioned above by someone
) seems like a very sane and safe way that parents could appropriately filter and still let those with that sort of taste free to wallow...



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posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 09:32 PM
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I don't want to take away your access to porn, or make it more difficult for you in any way.

You are all correct; it is my job as a parent to keep my children out of the garbage.

The only problem with that is that it's almost impossible to do so. I'm not talking about teenagers hacking into the system. I'm talking about pornsites that are perversely creative in finding ways to get around "netnanny" systems you can purchase.

I'm talking about TV, when a show is listed at TV-14, and then starts talking about "BJ's," and women giving them to men. Now try explaining that to your 14 year old niece.

It's like with the DJ's on the radio. You all believe in free speech and how it's my job to shut my kids' ears if I don't want them hearing profanity or sex. But radio has no warnings. And radio has no content control. And radios are everywhere. Some stores PIPE IN talk radio in the morning.

I know most of you don't even care.

But have you ever had to spend the evening with a 10-year-old who has just learn to say "annilingus" from listening to the DJ's on the radio?

It'd make you old.
And you'd find out why parents can seem so protective and fascist.




posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 09:38 PM
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I emailed my senator a few years back with an idea to require all porn sites to run on an .xxx domain. Anyone showing porn outside that would be subject to punishment for indecency. You don't drive down the street with xrated pics up on billboards. You don't go through the grocery store and see dirty mags at the checkout. Why should the net be different? If you want to run porn then do it on an .xxx domain. This also makes it easy for software companies to create blocks. If you run outside of an .xxx domain they you in my opinion are trying to target underaged surfers.



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 09:59 PM
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I'm talking about TV, when a show is listed at TV-14, and then starts talking about "BJ's," and women giving them to men. Now try explaining that to your 14 year old niece.

Then turn off the TV. Stop putting your faith in a government-controlled rating system and start using your own judgment. Television is a mindless wasteland and if your 14 year old niece is, for lack of a better term, part of the MTV-Generation, then she's already "giving BJs".

The only thing thing that differentiates "the web" from television is on the web you are able to control all content yourself. Now, if you require information to be force-fed to you then go back to TV. Again, "internet pornography" must be tolerated if the internet is going to remain a free medium.





I emailed my senator a few years back with an idea to require all porn sites to run on an .xxx domain. Anyone showing porn outside that would be subject to punishment for indecency.

Then sites would just redirect their page to the corresponding .xxx domain.
And the only way to prevent that would be to make it a crime simply for linking to another web page.



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 10:05 PM
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Originally posted by MindWarrior


Then turn off the TV. Stop putting your faith in a government-controlled rating system and start using your own judgment. Television is a mindless wasteland and if your 14 year old niece is, for lack of a better term, part of the MTV-Generation, then she's already "giving BJs".




Oh please....you would have to hide under a rock.....it is everywhere.....so much so that most people have become immune to it...most not even realizing untill a child ask something....our furture is our children, their emotional health, their mental health as well as physical.......how very, very sad



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posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by Codemaster_01
With sufficient will, the U.S. government could do the same. "Free speech" as envisioned by the founders of the Constitution and authors of the Bill of Rights clearly had no intention of including pornography as any part of "free speech." As a former law professor, I feel competent in stating that the concept of free speech was introduced into our rights only as this applies to political speech.

I have no problem with jailing pornographers of all types. If I were king, I would sentencef violators to two years of hard labor at a citizenship rehabilitation camp to correct their outlooks and attitudes.


Well,

I for one am very pleased that neither you or GWB are dictator or king. And if you believe that our forefathers strictly meant freedom of political speech,
you better remove that paper bag from your ..
They meant it just the way it is Freedom Of Speech.

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, to the Penn State Legislature
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That government is best which governs least" --Thomas Jefferson

"The only security of all is in a free press. The force of public opinion cannot be resisted when permitted freely to be expressed. The agitation it produces must be submitted to. It is necessary, to keep the waters pure." --Thomas Jefferson to Lafayette, 1823. ME 15:491

"I am... for freedom of the press, and against all violations of the Constitution to silence by force and not by reason the complaints or criticisms, just or unjust, of our citizens against the conduct of their agents." --Thomas Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1799. ME 10:78


This one here makes it clear that freedom of press and speech are not and should not be limited to politics.

"The art of printing alone and the vast dissemination of books will maintain the mind where it is and raise the conquering ruffians to the level of the conquered instead of degrading these to that of their conquerors." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1821. ME 15:334

"[This is] a country which is afraid to read nothing, and which may be trusted with anything, so long as its reason remains unfettered by law." --Thomas Jefferson to Joseph Milligan, 1816. ME 14:463


In closing where in the HELL were you a law professor


TUT



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 10:26 PM
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One claim that has been made more than once is that rape, torture, pedophilia, and bestiality are equivalent in some way to other forms of porn and that watching any porn is tantamount to supporting those crimes. I dispute this, and see no justification for that argument. In some countries kissing in movies or in public is forbidden, and women may not show any part of their legs. Is opposing that being a "selfish" "whiner" with no appreciation for the greater good of society?

What about the question about whether any form of porn is voluntary... why don't we outlaw sex then?



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 10:26 PM
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Oh please....you would have to hide under a rock.....it is everywhere.....so much so that most people have become immune to it...most not even realizing untill a child ask something....our furture is our children, their emotional health, their mental health as well as physical.......how very, very sad

Well if your goal is to stop the whorification of young people I would start with Disney, CBS, FOX, and the rest of the corporations targetting young people with sex. Another thing you might want to think about: BJ is defined in "Health" class in 8th and/or 9th grade.



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by tututkamen



In closing where in the HELL were you a law professor


TUT


I thought I had been reading everyting..I musta missed something...where did he say he was a Professor of Law?



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
The only problem with that is that it's almost impossible to do so. I'm not talking about teenagers hacking into the system. I'm talking about pornsites that are perversely creative in finding ways to get around "netnanny" systems you can purchase.


I've never had any trouble with my system. My kids have never gotten to a porn site. My service also gives me a weekly readout of which sites they are going to, just in case the little boogers get too smart for me. u2u me if you want more info.


I know most of you don't even care.


I'm a parent, so of course I care. It's a constant battle to determine what's appropriate and what's not. But I also try to educate my kids as much as possible.

Case in point... the JibJab song parody that everyone's talking about. My 11 year old wanted to know what a UN *ussy was. That was an uncomfortable conversation I can tell you, but necessary.


It'd make you old.
And you'd find out why parents can seem so protective and fascist.


I never felt old until the day I had kids. sigh... But because of the prevalance of porn and violence on the net, we must not only protect our kids, we must also educate them.



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by Bleys

But because of the prevalance of porn and violence on the net, we must not only protect our kids, we must also educate them.

How true! I have custody of my granddaughter as her mother, a stripper (not my daughter) was leaving her with men she met at the club so she could go and party :::shiver::: She has seen more than she should and trying to talk to her and explain to her has been hell...but necessary!



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 10:51 PM
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Now I hate yo break it to some of you but children are'nt that innocent anymore.

In 7th grade, a few kids were doing dope, having sex, and nearly every guy looked at porn in sorm form or the other. I knew them, and the funny thing was they were alwasy telling me about their exploits. I knew what blowjobs were, I knew what a Trojan was, I knew many sexual terms and so did they.

In 8th grade, more were doing drugs, more were having sex, and one brought marijuana into class. Once more I knew who was doing it, and how. I knew everything, I was told nearly everything, I was like a taxi cab driver anything could happend and everything did.

By 8th grade I've seen alot of nudity and violence. I've seen with my parent's permission I'd say over 250 R-rated movies, which contained violence, profanity, nudity. I was mature and they knew it, I was able to handle it and what I saw did not affect me. And it was not like I watched them specificly for the sex (with a few exceptions
), I watched them for entertainment. I saw many great memorable movies like A Clockwork Orange, Taxi Driver, Goodfellas, The Deer Hunter, Apocalpyse Now, The Godfather, and many more. I knew that it was fake and I would be killed if I ever tried anything I saw in a movie.

Likewise with porn, many guys think every chick they lay will be like Carmen Electra or Pam Anderson in wild sex mode. They think that women are just objects that they can lick and fondle. No romance for them, just the bed. And thats wrong. Society is to blame for this, the lyrics in rap songs intensify this abuse of women. I mean Eminem beating his girlfriend and this one guy kicking his pregant girlfriend in the song. And where do parents think they get ideas like this?

At 13 I was very mature, I knew right from wrong. I have a very good set of parents and an exceptional upbrining. They taught me right from wrong. I knew drugs were bad, I knew killing another man was bad, I know using women as sex objects is wrong. But they don't get it, and its sick.

Banning the porn will not help now, its too late. If they wanted no porn on the net they should've made it law when it was invented. By now it would take an overhaul of society to change this.

Only thing you can do is be a good parent and give a damn for your child. If you don't, you'll be damned. Your the one who can prevent your kid from getting high and boozing. Your the one who can stop them from having sex at 15 and being a daddy at 16, and to help them not get HIV. If more parents gave a damn and cared, and if more people gave a damn and cared, and if the kid give a damn about his life we would'nt have this problem.



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 10:55 PM
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The Country's to fragile to lay the responsibility of porn on the parents. America doesn't need any more strip clubs, underage call girls, etc. Its the job of the government to step up and tame its people.

In Canada a bunch of women got together and decided to go wonder around topless. They were on CityTV 24/7, and they even had their own t-shirts. They premise of their argument was that they were protesting that men have the right to walk around topless and the gender equality thing. Canadian officials found it disrespectable and figured it would escalate into bigger things and ruin Canada's image. The group of women then backed off the idea when others weren't following.

A few years later in Canada, Government officials decided to crack down on child pornography. People possessing child pornography will be jailed and fined. Several cases have already been reported. The cases range form doctors, dentists, etc, who have found themselves disgraced and put into public view as perverts thus ruining their image.



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by websurfer
A few years later in Canada, Government officials decided to crack down on child pornography. People possessing child pornography will be jailed and fined. Several cases have already been reported. The cases range form doctors, dentists, etc, who have found themselves disgraced and put into public view as perverts thus ruining their image.


I don't have a problem with porn in general, but child porn or even adults who look like minors is another matter. Rather than sweating the small stuff, all government porn resources should be spent tracking these perverts down.

It never ceases to amaze me at the supposedly respectable people that get nailed in these police stings. Personally, I would like to see their pictures posted in their hometown newspapers and the net.



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by MindWarrior

Well if your goal is to stop the whorification of young people I would start with Disney, CBS, FOX, and the rest of the corporations targetting young people with sex. . . .


But that would be censorship wouldn't it?

That would be defiling the broadcasters' sacred right to free speech, to make any buck, no matter how sleazy. What are you, some kind of fascist?

incedentally, I agree that political/religious speech was the only thing intended the founders to be protected.

I mean come on. Do you think footage of some nutty woman getting rogered by a donkey is really free speech?????

If that is speech, what is it saying?



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 11:28 PM
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An obvious thought just occurred to me. Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't we in a war to bring democracy to the middle east. The same democracy that half of you wish to suppress.
Did we not liberate Afghanistan and teach women how to drive and allow them the freedom to remove their veils. Wasn't that war voted in total by the Congress, except for one dissenting vote. Is that not the Congress you voted into power. As well as the Honorable Commander and Chief. The one that is totally supported by the Moral Majority. Aren't our fellow Americans dying daily to bring them the very freedoms that half of you wish to take away from our society that we are forcing down there throats. Anyone feel like a hypocrite yet

Perhaps many of you should forget going to China and just enlist with AQ for what you wish is what they wish. All women to be veiled and to speak when spoken to, to have no liberty or say outside the home. To suffer life with no chance of education. To be indoctrinated into a first century way of life.
WAKE UP.
And by the way you holy rollers there is a difference between art, pornography, and perversion. And as always those lines are blurred. And for the feminists and ladies out there. 99.9% of those naked women out there are performing willingly for the Almighty dollar and making a crap load of money. If I only had it to do over again I would be a very sexy broad and never have to break my back working again.
I have no idea why it took me this long to see. Go take your vengeance out on the pretty girls making money and leave my Goddam Constitution alone.

TUTANKHAMEN

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posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 11:34 PM
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MindWarrior... thats fine... link all you want. But it would still be easy to block the site its linked too. Where as now its impossible. It would be even better then if ISPs offered services where people could sign up to have .xxx domains blocked at the ISP level so there was no chance on hitting them even if by accident.



posted on Jul, 27 2004 @ 11:44 PM
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quote: Originally posted by MindWarrior

Well if your goal is to stop the whorification of young people I would start with Disney, CBS, FOX, and the rest of the corporations targetting young people with sex. . . .


But that would be censorship wouldn't it?

That would be defiling the broadcasters' sacred right to free speech, to make any buck, no matter how sleazy. What are you, some kind of fascist?

Read before opening your foodhole. It isn't my goal. It is amusing, however, that people are so unwilling to take responsibility for the things they subject their minds to. Government censorship doesn't work.





incedentally, I agree that political/religious speech was the only thing intended the founders to be protected.


I guess we all know who the fascist is.



posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 01:03 AM
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I think its the parents responsibilty to use filters and software, but I do think the government should step in and get rid of some of it like: web sites that say they have cars or whatever on them and you go to them only to find huge XXX banners and pics all over the site, and also I would get rid of the web sites that don't have a 18 and older ENTER page.



posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 01:06 AM
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In my opinion, there should be a new domain: .xxx

All porno sites under the .com domain should be banned/removed.

That would basicly solve the problem we have today.



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