NEWS: China Shuts Down 700 Porno Web Sites

Just a thought here for all those parents who want censorship no matter what. Some internet or computer company could make money I believe by fixing the pc's of those who want censorship. Only sites approved for viewing could be seen on those pc's. Everyone would be happy. Maybe even a ratings list could be created for the newly censored. It would be like movie ratings and only rated sites would be able to be accessed. I'm all for censoring those who want to be just because I'm tired of those same people trying to censor everyone else. Just move to China and then post something negative about China. I bet you won't be posting much else.

Its not about taking away rights. Let me give you an example of what I went through just this year.

Beginning of the summer, we decided to get a water trampoline for the kids to play on in the water, so we thought, HEY ***** ****** cool we'll just google that. Well, all of us were crowded around the computer when tons and tons of stuff started coming in about ***** ******. I was completely disgusted and embarassed that my children had to see the results of our innocent search. There is no reason for that kind of thing on the internet that children can see. If there is even a remote possibility that a child will see it, it doesn't need to be there.

****** I didn't type certain words. I know there are young eyes on this site and I don't want their curious minds searching for things. I am sure the majority of you will figure out what is supposed to be there.

Originally posted by iamthemissinglink
I live in America. And i think if they did shut down porn websites it be great. When i have kids i do want them to get into a porno website. go for China.

Well let's see,

You are correct about one thing and one thing only You are obviously the "missinglink"
I have never denied or restricted my children from anything except for alcohol and drugs, and they still found away around me. Dam little Americans
My daughter is 21 and she never goes to a porn site, all she uses the computer for is work, school, and astrology
My boy is 19 and when he turned four he was very advanced with the dish washing dawn plastic bottles in the tub and began taking very long showers around age 12. All totally normal. In Jr. High school he started visiting porn sites, I monitored his use and spoke to him about such things. All he was interested in was shapes and beauty and art. About this time he stopped drawing space ships and animals and began to visit soft porn sites and became very interested in drawing the human form. His art work is exceptional, which is a good thing because he has been lazy since the day he was born.
I am proud of both of my children they are not "born again Christians" however they both posses excellent values they both work and both are pursuing higher education at their own cost. They will have a positive effect on their world. I succeeded. And I did it without the help of my government dictating right from wrong to my children. If you are not capable of raising your children properly I suggest you pray for the wisdom to do so. And stop relying on the State or the Church to dictate your values
and behavior. It is your freedom use it or loose it.

Tut

P.S. I live alone and am divorced in Alaska and if they mess with my porn there will be hell to pay, ya follow me

P.S. I live alone and am divorced in Alaska and if they mess with my porn there will be hell to pay, ya follow me

Yeah..I think most of us here follow you very well.

Originally posted by LadyV
It goes deeper than "rights". There is no "innocent" porn. If you support the mild fluffy stuff, you are also supporting the abusive, stuff, the stuff where girls are drugged, kidnapped and worse....I know what I am talking about here. Yes, there are people who do it for kicks....but how many porn watchers are checking to make sure it is done by "consenting" adults? NOT to mention that when children view porn, it creates a false idea of what it is to be between two people.....boys actually think it's supposed to be that way....well, sometime it is, depending on the couple, but more often it's not..

LadyV,

Get a grip. It was woman's idea to put forward soft porn. Prior to the revolution of the 60's it was Time and Life magazine and Readers Digest and Good Housekeeping. After the Feminist revolution it became Cosmo Tells All and Redbook showing sexy women in fancy bra's and panties. Hell now you can wh-ck off to Victoria's Secrets on ABC And they are dressed up like little angels with wings and everything. You wanted equality and liberation from the kitchen and equality in the work. Well now you got it and you want to turn back the hands of time. Sorry it does not work that way.
So get a grip and deal with it. Trust me you do not want the government telling you what to think and do. We fought a long and hard war against King George for our Freedom do not start throwing it away.

TUT

What you allow your kids to do sets how your society will look in 20 years time.

Think of all the things you would hate to expose your kids to now, from porn, to prostitution, to unplanned pregnancy, to diseases, herpes, aids, etc, etc, etc.

The whole sex obsessed culture that is middle America will roll along gathering spead leaving more hurt, diseased, broken people behind it unless someone says "stop".

To hell with individual rights, what did people do BEFORE the internet? Let them go back to that. By capturing the net and removing the filth from it you cut down another channel into your childrens lives and the lives of your children's friends. If you try and keep them safe now, and they get into their peer group, just how much will your teaching last with them when their friends are saying the opposite?

You need something to look at to jerk off to? Go to an adult bookshop, get it there.

Very well said NetChicken.... my sentiments exactly.

Originally posted by tututkamen
Well now you got it and you want to turn back the hands of time. Sorry it does not work that way.
So get a grip and deal with it. Trust me you do not want the government telling you what to think and do. We fought a long and hard war against King George for our Freedom do not start throwing it away.

TUT

Hey Tut - you laid your cards on the table and got a response. Your reponse is to make a fair amount of assumptions about LadyV (and I think expose your next hand).

Why is your right to porn so important that the children should be exposed to it. And that is the truth of what is happening. On this one, you can't blame the parents. This stuff is so in our face you cannot avoid it using the internet at all. Where is my right to not have to be exposed to it? In fact, why is your right to porn so important that I have to be exposed to it?

If I am using the internet at all it is there.

LadyV,

Get a grip. It was woman's idea to put forward soft porn. Prior to the revolution of the 60's it was Time and Life magazine and Readers Digest and Good Housekeeping. After the Feminist revolution it became Cosmo Tells All and Redbook showing sexy women in fancy bra's and panties. Hell now you can wh-ck off to Victoria's Secrets on ABC

And they are dressed up like little angels with wings and everything. You wanted equality and liberation from the kitchen and equality in the work. Well now you got it and you want to turn back the hands of time. Sorry it does not
work that way.
So get a grip and deal with it. Trust me you do not want the government telling you what to think and do. We fought a long and hard war against King George for our Freedom do not start throwing it away.

TUT

Get a grip and deal with it!? I have dealt with it all my life! I have been in life long therapy dealing it with it all my life! I am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse that delft in pornography, I know what goes on from the inside of it...before you go telling someone to get a grip and deal with.....you should think about what perhaps,, you may not know. Yes, I am very open about this as part of my on going therapy....hiding made things worse.....many people just want to justify that their porn is innocent and therefore not feel as if they are supporting the dirty underside of it....if you view it, you are supporting all of it, not just a part of it. You deal with that...if you have the conscious to do so.

Wow, amazed I am at how defensive people are of thier porn. I think this is a good leap in society for the chinese. Porn has gone to far in my veiws, as has sexuality and they way it is distrubuted in the media and culture. 97 percent of Americans beleive in God, then jerk off on the internet right after...

Deep

One thing I hate about our modern society is how easily people can squeal about their "rights" being infringed. Yet what they fail to notice is that for every right there is a responsibility, or a duty.

None of these squealers look at their responsability towards the society they live in, they just want to satisfy their own selfish urges. No one thinks, "hey I have a duty towards my society as well, a duty to protect the innocent, a duty to care for those who are vulnerable".

Maturity is realising that in giving up a right you want to have, you actually show a greater responsibility to the society you live in. That is part of living in a society, its not all me, me, me, its give and take with the health of the greater society being an important consideration.

Originally posted by Netchicken
None of these squealers look at their responsability towards the society they live in, they just want to satisfy their own selfish urges. No one thinks, "hey I have a duty towards my society as well, a duty to protect the innocent, a duty to care for those who are vulnerable".

Exactly! There is always "My Freedoms" to defend absolutely ANYTHING, coupled with how it is always someone else's fault if somthing goes wrong (even if I stub my toe). No one takes responsiblities for their own actions anymore.

It's getting ridiculous. The problem is not what you may want (if you are defending your right to porn or a lot of other questionable things that are hotly debated on these boards), but the demand for such convenience that it jeopardizes another (and then blaming someone else if it has an ill effect).

Edit: Again I ask, where does freedom end and selfishness begin?

[edit on 27-7-2004 by Relentless]

Originally posted by Relentless

Originally posted by tututkamen
Well now you got it and you want to turn back the hands of time. Sorry it does not work that way.
So get a grip and deal with it. Trust me you do not want the government telling you what to think and do. We fought a long and hard war against King George for our Freedom do not start throwing it away.

TUT

Hey Tut - you laid your cards on the table and got a response. Your reponse is to make a fair amount of assumptions about LadyV (and I think expose your next hand).

If I am using the internet at all it is there.

Well let's see,

#1-Really like your www. site LadyV. Just touched their briefly, but shall return looks very interesting.
#2-Relentless, I am not playing cards and I have no next hand and I made zero assumptions about LadyV, I merely advised her to Get a Grip
You and only you are responsible for your actions and as a U.S. citizen you and only you are responsible for the actions of your children till they become 18 years of age.
Now if you do not wish to be responsible for your children give them to the state and they will raise them and shelter them.
Be responsible for your actions, follow the path of a Warrior, and if you can not do that follow the path with a Heart.
In one hand you hold the flag and wave freedom and with the other you raise it for the powers to take it away because it is too much to deal with. What is it you want
Perhaps you would be happier in China and they will control what your children and you watch. They will tell you how many children you can have and what their sex will be. They will also tell you where yon can work and for how long. They will also tell you when it is time to die and what to die for.
Don not tread on me

TUT

#1-Really like your www. site LadyV. Just touched their briefly, but shall return looks very interesting.

I have no idea what that has to do with this, but I'm glad you found it interesting as I have put a lot into it.

China does not have freedoms or rights given to the people like the West does. The Chinese have been educated that this is normal. In the West we constantly have some people decrying our freedoms that something should be done and this should not be allowed. Our freedoms will slowly get eroded bit by bit unless well defended. If enough of our freedoms to choose what we see and hear are gone guess what, the US has become China. I'm all for personal filtering and censoring of parents over their families and I thought software was available that did this quite effectively. Perhaps it does the job too well since even medical information is blocked. I suggest instead of complaining some parents should install filters if they don't want to see the garbage. On a personal level I think it is much more upsetting to see someone getting beheaded than it is to see a pic of the natural human body.

Originally posted by orionthehunter
On a personal level I think it is much more upsetting to see someone getting beheaded than it is to see a pic of the natural human body.

I don't think anyone here is referring to "the natural human body", I know I'm not....there is a vast difference between, "the natural human body" and it's beauty in lines and angles....and pornography. It is it between children seeing the nude human form, and a beheading...well, heLLo...that doesn't take much to figure here. The human form is beautiful....we are talking about pornography.

To say the government should eradicate porno on the web so kids can't see it is akin to saying we should outlaw gun ownership so a kid can't shoot himself or someone else. It just isn't the right response, parents need to do the work of raising their kids

At least there is some common sense in this thread!


Any parent who would let children under 10 freely use the internet is doing a bad job of parenting. By all means, encourage your children to learn about computers and how they work. Allow them to use educational programs. Allow them to learn programming languages. Just unplug your modem while they do. One of the problems today is peope, in general, think the only reason to have a computer is for the internet. The internet is a free medium and it's becoming more of a policed-medium by the day. Anyone who values independent thought should desire to keep the internet a truly free medium.

The internet should not be shaped according to one's own, personal, world-view. Everyone has different tastes and anyone who would claim to be speaking on behalf of all "Americans" is either a liar, entirely self-absorbed, or both.

What's next? Someone decides "Americans" would be better without forums such as ATS??... without opinions that dissent from the mainstream?


Another thing... the internet is much more than the world wide web.

[edit on 27-7-2004 by MindWarrior]

With sufficient will, the U.S. government could do the same. "Free speech" as envisioned by the founders of the Constitution and authors of the Bill of Rights clearly had no intention of including pornography as any part of "free speech." As a former law professor, I feel competent in stating that the concept of free speech was introduced into our rights only as this applies to political speech.

I have no problem with jailing pornographers of all types. If I were king, I would sentencef violators to two years of hard labor at a citizenship rehabilitation camp to correct their outlooks and attitudes.

Originally posted by Codemaster_01
With sufficient will, the U.S. government could do the same. "Free speech" as envisioned by the founders of the Constitution and authors of the Bill of Rights clearly had no intention of including pornography as any part of "free speech."

Correct, they had no idea that there would be people using "freedom" for such things as "Fantasy rape sites, girls made to look very young for pedophiles sites, torture sites....the list could go on and on........

Originally posted by LadyV

there is a vast difference between, "the natural human body" and it's beauty in lines and angles....and pornography. The human form is beautiful....we are talking about pornography.

Well that's exactly the problem I see with censorship. One judges view of censorship is quite different than others. I believe it was once considered pornographic for females to show their legs in public a long time ago. I believe the religious right still believes all nudity is a form of pornography and should be censored. One vague law can multiply to cover wide areas that you never thought of.


I still remember a valuable lesson in a class I once had in High School where the teacher told us we were going to vote for a US president (scenario here). Anyway the teacher told us that the US had lost a major war and that the victorious countries were demanding enormous debt repayments amounting to tens of trillions of dollars.

The teacher listed various candidates for president and what they were going to do to help the US get back on it's feet. One of those candidates was going to have the government take back control over certain aspects of our lives and railroads, transportation etc. but would get the economy booming etc.

Anyway to cut the story short, the class elected to vote for the guy who would get the economy moving and all seemed good while the government would take back control over a few aspects of our lives. (probably just a little bit of censorship, I mean who's worried about that?). Then, the teacher annouced that we should change the scenario from US to Germany before WWII, the class had just elected Hitler!