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True evidence of God in Bible

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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 11:31 PM
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Hi,fellow men,in these dark times we all hope there is a higher purpose,most of us go back and forth in opinions and in search for answers...

I will present you something that i believe to be:

a) the evidence that God is indeed real,and has a huge influence on events in our lives
b) or incriminating evidence that Bible is a hoax

So here it goes...i have started to read Bible again after many years,now that i am more mature and more open to reasonable discussion.I have been reading Book of Revelation,and i have came across a strange coincidence(or not).
In the Revelation,John is talking about an angel,that very much resembles the description from Ezekiel...Hmmm,coincidence?Highly unlikely,because there is a huge time difference between the two prophets.
So here are the passages from the Bible,make out of it whatever you like,and please don't come trolling about how much religion caused suffering and death,because people cause that...not the religion.

From the Book of Ezekiel
5 Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures.And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.
6 And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.
7 And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the color of burnished brass.
8 And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings.
9 Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward.
10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.
11 Thus were their faces: and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies.

From the Book of Revelation
In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back. 7 The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle. 8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings.

So here it is i hope it will be intriguing to you as it is to me,
David




posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 12:14 AM
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reply to post by AlwaysStoned
 


Isn't the title of your thread using circular logic?

Ah, I just saw your Username. Now I understand.

G'night!



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 12:14 AM
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I don't understand how this is evidence of anything at all... What are you saying?



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 12:18 AM
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I don't understand, where is the evidence?



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 12:28 AM
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The tone of this may seem condescending but I don't mean to be, it's just what I immediately thought when I read this:

It seems to me that you are marvelled (for lack of a better word) that these angels were described the same way by two different people, hundreds of years apart. The Bible is full of prophecy, why does one instance of it inspire you so? I mean, these people are just describing what they have seen. Look into fulfilled biblical prophecy, there are many more amazing things than this.



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 12:28 AM
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reply to post by Bushido687
 


Psst, check out the OP's username. That's all the evidence you need!



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 12:28 AM
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reply to post by Garfee
 


Psst, check out the OP's username. That's all the evidence you need!



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 12:29 AM
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I will present you something that i believe to be:
a) the evidence that God is indeed real,and has a huge influence on events in our lives
b) or incriminating evidence that Bible is a hoax


I don't quite understand how these passages are evidence that God is real? how did you make that connection? When I read Ezekiel it seems like an alien abduction story to me. Now on the Book of Revelation and the similarities I'm sure that John the Apostle, the supposed writer of Revelation had knowledge of the Ezekiel story, these were Jewish men and that was their culture. However their is no empirical evidence that John actually was the writer of Revelation.

en.wikipedia.org...

Modern views
More recent methods of scholarship, such as textual criticism, have been influential in suggesting that John the Apostle, John the Evangelist and John of Patmos were three separate individuals. Differences in style, theological content, and familiarity with Greek between the Gospel of John, the epistles of John, and the Revelation are seen by some scholars as indicating three separate authors.[16]


The story of Ezekiel has been reworked many times by many hands.
en.wikipedia.org...


The Book of Ezekiel describes itself as the words of the Ezekiel ben-Buzi, a priest living in exile in the city of Babylon between 593 and 571 BC.[3] The various manuscripts, however, differ markedly from each other, and it is clear that the book has been subjected to extensive editing.[4] While Ezekiel himself may have been responsible for some of this revision, there is general agreement that the book as we have it today is the product of a highly-educated priestly circle that owed allegiance to the historical Ezekiel and was closely associated with the Temple.[5]


As thinkers we must ask the questions how much of the Bible can be depended upon? What is myth and what is fact? Jewish scholars tell us that some of the stories written in the old testament are not to be taken literally and their are different views on the Noah's ark story. Some think its real and others view it as myth.

The Bible for me is a book of faith, Not saying that I believe all or any of it. As a person who has had a near death experience I do not need any book to believe in we must all find our own truth. Cheers coco



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 12:30 AM
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I am sorry if i haven't presented this in the right way...i rarely post threads.
The thing is there are two descriptions,from two different times,by two different people who may or may not have connection.
Well it is very strange if two people who couldn't interact with each other gave these descriptions,resembling the same beings...
Makes u wonder


And another thing,i highly doubt that John had access to the prophecy of Ezekiel



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 12:32 AM
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reply to post by notsofunnyguy
 


hehehe,nice of you to notice that but that is completely off topic as i am not talking about MY visions mate....please add some valuable information or leave



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 12:38 AM
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That is a very good point there mate,but i am suggesting that both men witnessed these events because the descriptions are remarkably similar but quite different in details,so i have a impression that these are actual events that took place...so therefore the beings are real(or in some other dimension but still real),and God is real,or the church had its fingers in this...
I am not forcing my opinion,simply suggesting it

regards,David



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by AlwaysStoned
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hehehe,nice of you to notice that but that is completely off topic as i am not talking about MY visions mate....please add some valuable information or leave


Very well, my snarky friend, I will provide some "valuable" information, in response to your other post:


reply to post by Garfee

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I am sorry if i haven't presented this in the right way...i rarely post threads.
The thing is there are two descriptions,from two different times,by two different people who may or may not have connection.
Well it is very strange if two people who couldn't interact with each other gave these descriptions,resembling the same beings...
Makes u wonder

And another thing,i highly doubt that John had access to the prophecy of Ezekiel


John was Jewish, and therefore WOULD have had access to the prophecy of Ezekiel.

And my true evidence of that is in...the bible.

G'night!

ETA: If you're Christian, you shouldn't be using, should you? As I recall there's a Greek word used throughout the NT for witchcraft...pharmakopeia or something similar, which is our modern root for pharmacy, or drugs.

Perhaps this thread should be in skunkworks, because something herein stinks.
edit on 17-4-2011 by notsofunnyguy because: returning snarkiness



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 12:46 AM
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reply to post by graphuto
 


You are right 100 percent.I am truly baffled with this "coincidence" and i just wanted to share it with people,and i am sorry i have presented it in such un-organised manner.



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 12:55 AM
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Well that is just what i was looking for,but doesn't that mean that all Bible talk about God and angels is just a myth?
And if he really had access to these scripture and wrote about this same entity,doesn't that mean that everything he said is to not be taken seriously...there is only two sides of the coin.
I wish someone can find if these scriptures were available to the public at that time...

thanks,David



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 12:57 AM
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reply to post by notsofunnyguy
 


Well i think if it grows from the land i can use it,i have my human rights,or do i?



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 01:15 AM
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reply to post by notsofunnyguy
 


And one more thing...you seem really confident with your words,can you please give me the scripture where it states that it was available?
As opposed to your theory,i have done a little research and found that many people in that time had no access to the scripture,for one because there where no writing machines,and every word had to be written by hand so that is limiting the possibilities that John had seen the Ezekiel's prophecy.
And i haven't yet discovered the passage that is stating that he had prior knowledge to Ezekiel's vision.



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 03:18 AM
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you may find this interesting


Through comparative etymology, analysis of ancient texts (including pre-Hebrew Semitic language), and pharmacological consistencies she contends that the word kaneh-bosm actually refers to cannabis and was used in ancient Jewish religious rites, as a medicine and ritual sacrament. Benet's work is an example that cannabis use has a long culturally important history, and that the criminalization and demonization of cannabis is a recent invention

In 1980 the Hebrew University in Israel confirmed Sula Benet's interpretation of Kaneh Bosm (kineboisin) as hemp blossoms.[4]

However, the words 'Kaneh bosm' are not in the KJV or the new international version of the bible. This is because the translators from the original language determined that "Kaneh bosm" should be interpreted as "Calamus" and other similar sounding plants. en.wikipedia.org...


And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.
Genesis 1

HEMP SEED: THE MOST NUTRITIONALLY
COMPLETE FOOD SOURCE IN THE WORLD
www.ratical.org...

to the OP good catch but you will find that is common especially in that book, I'll come back and put up a few others at another time
edit on 17-4-2011 by Rustami because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 04:18 AM
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P.S. ALL,I,WROTE A THREAD ON THIS,I,WILL be updating it soon...........This is true what he wrote,but like everyone says,they want proof,science,things found in JERUSALEM,ISRAEL,and other proofs.I,have been listing them.I,will be listening more soon,thanks.Very true,what he wrote,is really neat.
,But he needs more then what he wrote.



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 01:27 PM
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reply to post by Rustami
 


Hahaha,nice,star for you mate,i am aware of what scripture says about hemp,and also aware of its many uses,did you knew first car was made from hemp??

But that is a whole another conspiracy right there,because obviously the government does not want us to grow food in our backyards...

Thank you,David



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 01:33 PM
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reply to post by venusstarlite
 


Well you are right but i have no interest in presenting more proof,i was just hoping for a decent discussion,with some intelligent and open minded people,thank you for contribution,i feel sad for people coming here and starting to troll without even thinking and reading...

regards,David



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