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UK Children As Young As 12 Allowed Puberty Blocking Drugs

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posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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I simply can't imagine Queen Elizabeth involved with such things......

but Prince Phillip.......one can only speculate

The whole thing sends shivers up my spine and just makes me want to vomit even though I'm aware these things do happen out there with little children. You know you have me now wondering about the little 4 year old UK girl Madeline McCann kidnapped in Spain.......
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posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
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ok....lets keep kids out of it

So an Asexual can be straight, gay or bi-sexual but just go for very long periods of time without sex. Botton line, they have no sex drive. There are treatments for that and very successful too but Asexuals probably can't be bothered with treatments hence become celebate until they break the drought.

am I on the right track?
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Asexuals cannot be straight, gay or bi-sexual. Otherwise they would not be asexuals, would they? They have no sex drive. Straight, gay or bisexual people do have sex drive.



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 03:40 PM
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No; there are plenty of straight people out there with low or no sex drive

Gay men have the biggest sex drive of all



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
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No; there are plenty of straight people out there with low or no sex drive

Gay men have the biggest sex drive of all


People with no sex drive have hypoactive sexual desire disorder. Asexuals are simply people with this condition during their whole life, as opposed to acquired disorder.
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posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 03:54 PM
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All I can say is, prove it.

I want to hear a 5 year old child claim they want to be of the opposite sex. Then I want to hear this child explain to me everything the operations, therapies, etc entails. Me thinks they'll have a hard time. Most children just start learning to read around 5.

No, I don't want to hear an adult, or a teenager 'claim' they had these thoughts as a child. I want to hear it from a child's mouth.

There is only one group in this thread trying to do any actual damage.



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 04:17 PM
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Oh right. So there is always a "disorder" factor when people can't explain things away....

I know afew people who are very much heterosexual and not only do they have no sex drive or low sex drive but they're always been like it all their lives. Suddenly they have a disorder because it does'nt fit the "Asexual" agenda? Come on, you don't seriously believe it do you? I'm not buying it.

"Asexual" is very much a new term and it's not a very clear one at that.

So that takes me back to you are either heterosexual, gay or bi-sexual. Either three can be celebate by abstaining from sex or just can't be bothered with it all and can go for very long droughts at a time.

You know what else I think? The medical and psychology establishment has gone completely mad. They're even given a name of a disorder to vegetarians and vegans now. When kids put down their techno games and rediscover life outside like we did in my generation, they'll come up with a disorder for that too.



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 04:28 PM
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Well, funny you should ask about five year olds saying they want to be the opposite sex. We had a beautiful girl in our neighborhood who was the youngest with three older brothers. She was the "suprise" baby who came when her mom was in her fourties.

The dad was very active with the boys in sports and hiking, skiing, camping, etc. This poor little girl was too young to join her brothers and she thought if she were a boy, she could go with the on their outtings. So she used to say she wished she was a boy but she meant I wish I was old enough to go with my dad and brothers.

She grew into a beautiful young woman with lots of boyfriends last time I saw her. She did take up sports and her dad did the same with her as he did with her older brothers. Luckily she was not living in Britian.



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 04:57 PM
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How to give children hang ups. Adults playing games. The parents need to be looked at as they are the one's who are confused. Where's the ethics? I think it's all rather sad. I wonder what the effects will be when these children are permitted to grow up.

Regards



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
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Psychotherapy is not the same as psychiatrict treatment. It's only my view from what I learned from the videos the parents DID enable these kids and none of them were offered the proper care that should has been available to these kids.


They DO get psychiatric treatment. That's how medicines that delay puberty are prescribed. That's how hormones and other psychiatric medications for depression are prescribed. Psychotherapists cannot prescribe medicine, psychiatrists do, and these kids all see psychiatrists. Typical therapy consists of weekly (or more) visits to a psychotherapist, combined with monthly visits to a Psychiatrist, and also medical doctors as well. The Psychiatric evaluation that transgendered people have to go through are stringent and comprehensive. They don't just give out these treatments to just anyone...otherwise doctors would be getting sued left and right. Furthermore, I posted a medical paper outlining what criteria doctors use in order to decide how to treat these kids. Just because you don't agree with transgendered people does not mean that these conditions are not real or that they don't exist, Nor does it mean that the processes use by medical community are somehow "forcing" transgenderism" on these kids. And you still don't seem to understand the difference between "being supportive" and "enabling". Because it's "forcing" transgenderism on them, or "enabling" them, and if you can't get that from watching the video and literally hearing about how one boy tried to cut off his penis himself, and all the other children who were suicidal when parents tried to force them to conform to their original gender, than I don't know what to tell you...Your mind is made up apparently.


A male child born with XY cromosomes and a girl born with XX cromosomes is not suffering from something biological but most definately more psychological


It has NOTHING to do with what chromosomes the child is born with. What you are referring to is a totally different condition altogether that has nothing to do with transgenderism. Seriously, I really seems like your mind is made up on this matter.



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
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Your medical "professional" source does seem to help your agenda......

but if I was so show you the opposite medical professional studies; you'd go against it because it does'nt help YOUR agenda. Correct?

It's kind of like circumcisim.....there is plenty of for and against out there; or ADHD do we medicate or not; you have to accept the fact that I could say the exact same for transgenders. There is alot of for and against as well.

You have to accept everyone has an opinion, just because there are "professionals" who agree with you, they are not always right.


I do not have any agenda. I am simply here to get to the truth and deny ignorance. Something it seems your mind is already made up about.

One doctor, or a few doctors who have dissenting "opinions" or "evidence" for whatever reason, against the overwhelming majority of the medical community, the vast scientific literature on the subject, and peer reviewed studies, does not mean that there is "legitimate" proof showing transgenderism is a bunch of BS and these kids don't really exist.

From the American Medical Association.


Whereas, The American Medical Association opposes discrimination 1 on the basis of
gender identity1 and

Whereas, Gender Identity Disorder (GID) is a serious medical condition recognized as
such in both the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (4th Ed., Text
Revision) (DSM-IV-TR) and the International Classification of Diseases (10th Revision),2
and is characterized in the DSM-IV-TR as a persistent discomfort with one’s assigned
sex and with one’s primary and secondary sex characteristics, which causes intense
emotional pain and suffering;3 and

Whereas, GID, if left untreated, can result in clinically significant psychological distress,
dysfunction, debilitating depression and, for some people without access to appropriate
medical care and treatment, suicidality and death;4 and

Whereas, The World Professional Association For Transgender Health, Inc. (“WPATH”)
is the leading international, interdisciplinary professional organization devoted to the
understanding and treatment of gender identity disorders,5 and has established
internationally accepted Standards of Care 6 for providing medical treatment for people
with GID, including mental health care, hormone therapy and sex reassignment surgery,
which are designed to promote the health and welfare of persons with GID and are
recognized within the medical community to be the standard of care for treating people
22 with GID; and

Whereas, An established body of medical research demonstrates the effectiveness and
medical necessity of mental health care, hormone therapy and sex reassignment
surgery as forms of therapeutic treatment for many people diagnosed with GID; 7 and

Whereas, Health experts in GID, including WPATH, have rejected the myth that such
treatments are “cosmetic” or “experimental” and have recognized that these treatments
can provide safe and effective treatment for a serious health condition;7 and

Whereas, Delaying treatment for GID can cause and/or aggravate additional serious and
expensive health problems, such as stress-related physical illnesses, depression, and
substance abuse problems, which further endanger patients’ health and strain the health
care system
Source

The overwhelming majority of scientific and medical evidence establishes the above facts. Denying them is like denying the idea that "cancer" or "narcolepsy" is not a "real" condition because of a few dissenting opinions. Different opinions can be found on everything, it doesn't mean that they are correct. This is why we have peer reviewed scientific journals. To test hypotheses and carry out research. The above statement from the AMA is what this vast amount of research and scientific data has shown...these are established medical FACTS, regardless of what some other guy with a differing opinion thinks about them.



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by SyphonX
All I can say is, prove it.

I want to hear a 5 year old child claim they want to be of the opposite sex. Then I want to hear this child explain to me everything the operations, therapies, etc entails. Me thinks they'll have a hard time. Most children just start learning to read around 5.

No, I don't want to hear an adult, or a teenager 'claim' they had these thoughts as a child. I want to hear it from a child's mouth.

There is only one group in this thread trying to do any actual damage.


If you watch the documentary I posted the children all do just that. You can hear it from their own mouths. Again, just because you disagree with transgendered people, does not mean that they don't exist. The overwhelming evidence from the scientific/medical community says otherwise and that these treatments work and save lives that may otherwise be lost to suicide. These are established medical FACTS.



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5 All transgenda men end up with male partners All transgenda women end up with female partners;



Originally posted by Maslo Any evidence for these claims?


This is another blatant lie. I already posted evidence refuting this claim...so I'm surprised to hear this still being spoken as if it's truth. Facts apparently being ignored by most here. *bangs head on desk* Studies, surveys done, show a majority of transgender men are heterosexuals. (the link is back in my thread history)



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 07:10 PM
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Children, as usual sadly, are being made merchandise of. The surgeons who do these transgender surgeries must be having too many slow days, so they come up with a plan to drum up more busine$$.



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 07:29 PM
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This truely is appalling news...
Well atleast the humans who go through with it will not meet the rest of you in the afterlife.
I'm sure my still divine counterpart will take great pleasure in toying with them in the darkest desert instead.



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 07:41 PM
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This is why the homosexual agenda has gone way too far. People are not born "transgendered". Rather, there's an attempt to indoctrinate children into a sense of confusion and doubt their natural sexuality and reproductive system. "Transgenderism" is the result social engineering. Traditional gender roles are not.



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 08:22 PM
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Uhh... Forgive me if I'm wrong but doesn't asexual mean literally an organism of both and neither sex?

I thought that was just like amoebas and earth worms. I swear I remember learning about asexual reproduction in bio class.



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 10:39 PM
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Delay puberty?

I remember being young and I simply couldn't wait to start growing facial hair and seen as a "adult" (adult meaning teen).

I used to "shave" as a kid with shaving cream and a butter knife...and the rest of the kids I hung around with all wanted to be more adultlike...

not at like 5, but like 10-11 area, ya...total wannabe post-pubescent.

I know of plenty of wacky parents that want to stop their kids from getting older mind you...
This makes no sense.



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 11:10 PM
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I know afew people who are very much heterosexual and not only do they have no sex drive or low sex drive but they're always been like it all their lives. Suddenly they have a disorder because it does'nt fit the "Asexual" agenda? Come on, you don't seriously believe it do you? I'm not buying it.


If you read the wiki page, you would see this:


HSDD is characterized as a lack or absence of sexual fantasies and desire for sexual activity for some period of time. For this to be regarded as a disorder, it must cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulties and not be better accounted for by another mental disorder (i.e. depression), a drug (legal or illegal), or some other medical condition.


Those people may very well be asexual. That is the definition.




So that takes me back to you are either heterosexual, gay or bi-sexual. Either three can be celebate by abstaining from sex or just can't be bothered with it all and can go for very long droughts at a time.


But hetero, gay or bi are attracted to either women, or men, or both. Asexuals are not attracted to anyone. Seriously, this is not a hard concept to grasp.
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posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 11:26 PM
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So that takes me back to you are either heterosexual, gay or bi-sexual.


So how do you call people that are not attracted to anyone?



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 11:53 PM
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I never said transgendas does'nt exist but when I see it in young kids I'm going to want to ask a lot of questions. These kids are already taking drug therapy to change their physical appearance long before they even reach adulthood. Now that tells me they have NOT been under long term psychiatrict care that offer an alternative; it all seems like these kids have been offered only a one way direction, carefully chosen psychiatrists that meet these kid's agenda. Kind of like, well, the kid is grossly overweight but lets buy him more food because thats what makes him happy but first we'll try a weight loss company or lap band surgery; that does'nt actually treat the symptoms that got them there in the first place.

Watching the videos before these kids started taking drug therapy to change their appearance, it was quite clear these kids suffered from very low self esteem. In fact, there's just way too many kids out there suffering from low self esteem - who end up as targets for bullies just as the bullies themselves also suffer low self esteem themselves. A majority of these transgenda kids are boys; any research will tell you that whether it's for or against transgender. That tells me there is something very very wrong out there but we have to go a thousand miles if we have to to try and stem these kids from being enabled and go to the real root of the problem however parents of young children are up against the biggest battle of our lives; pervertion of humanity by an organisation or group of organisations that are so sexually perverted; their intentions are to destroy the very soul of children and the decency of good folk. They are passing laws one after the other to protect their pervertions from the purity of kids and decent parents. Morals and intigrity of these "groups" flew out the window decades ago; we need to take back our power and stamp these particular groups out....and fast, before we loose everything we hold dear to us, our family, our home - our kids.

I am stunned you even brought cancer in to it; you can't compare a life threatening disease to a psychological illness.

Does'nt it worry you there are now padded bras and frilly sexy panties on the market for little girls as young as 4? Does'nt it worry you our music stars are now almost scattly naked on stage dancing highly sexual moves? Does'nt it worry you techno games of shocking aggression, blood and guts are openly sold on the market to kids under 18, etc etc ???
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