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``Emergency manager`` has now taken over elected officials...Elections? Doesn't matter anymore

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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 05:15 PM
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reply to post by JohhnyBGood
 


You know Unions are comprised of tax-payers right?

And how are they robbing the "people" blind? Sounds more like Wall Street to me




posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 05:16 PM
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Not challenging you, just want to see your sources.

Could I see your sources?



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 05:32 PM
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Exactly they just laughed because they have been bailed out so many times the numbers don't seem to affect them. The treasurer quit finally but instead of doing the books she hired an outside company to try to piece them together every year and gave them no help. They finally complained to the state that somethings wrong.

The water department wasn't billing 40% of the residents and there was no way to get your water shut off if you didn't pay. I was getting billed $580 a month for water and sewer then the townshp took over my place and found out I was getting the bill for a large clinic about 3 blocks away that had never been sent a bill. Te water department workers will not go in a hole to fix a leak so every leak is repaired by an outside contractor. Around the corner from me water has been bubbling out of the ground for the 2 years I've lived here even in the winter.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by Marulo
reply to post by JohhnyBGood
 


You know Unions are comprised of tax-payers right?

And how are they robbing the "people" blind? Sounds more like Wall Street to me



Because unions are negotiating with politicians who are then beholden to those same unions to get re-elected - Politicians pay them whatever they demand because they are using taxpayers money.

Its an obviously corrupt system - with totally predictable results!



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 06:18 PM
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I think I get it now...national resistance will not be brought about against the federal government. Instead, it will be bred on a smaller scale to control the dissolution of the U.S.....brilliant.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 06:22 PM
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I live this every day

Try going back here it's the local paper and everything has been in it at least a time or two. I live and work in the town and am trying to open a business. Actually I'm across the street in the township now, much better

www.heraldpalladium.com...



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by neo96



i honestly dont know what to make of this but the very nature of a union is fascist itself just saying.


How is a group of employees/taxpayers banding together to negotiate with another group, fascism?

That sounds like a democratic process to me, just saying! Isn't that what happens in every election?

Taking away the rights of the workers and giving the employers control is fascism coupled with slavery. just sayin.
edit on 16-4-2011 by whaaa because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by mikellmikell
Don't get too uptight about it was done by a Democratic governor...


Are you referring to Snyder? He's a republican.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 06:42 PM
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Are these officials elected? If so, how are they still getting into office? I saw the quote from the guy saying it's been going on for 30 years and it took him 27 to finally say enough? Sheesh...



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 07:10 PM
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do you have any say on what a union does or how it votes and any responsiblity in it.

the union dictates to the people what it does not everyone in a union has all the same ideas.

a union may vote on any given issue but as the old saying goes doesnt matter who votes but only who counts them

a small group runs a union with complete and total totalatarian authoritarian rule.

the is nothing democratic about a union class warfare within an organization that is suppose to be for the people

where senority rules and if you dont have it your nothing.

which is tantamount to slavery


wait never mind your right a union is democratic where the mob rules tramples the rights of the minority with complete authoritarian totalitarian rule.
edit on 16-4-2011 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 07:26 PM
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You want to know what we Michiganders are going to do about it? Well, first we don't elect a progressive democrat Canadian that raises our taxes during a recession - and we've been in a recession - actually a depression - for nearly a decade. Second, we stop sending progressive self appointed gods named Levin to Washington. Then we stop throwing money at the money sucking unions - teachers, auto, teamsters - take your pick.

Then as an added bonus we're not going to allow our local municipalities spend every damn penny in sight until we are bankrupt. We tried to tell them, we are broke, we tried to tell them, stop. Please, we're begging you. And they did not. Detroit of course has had an emergency manager for a decade now running their schools. Didn't know that did you?

Michigan is a cesspool of one obvious fact: Progressives are evil scum. If you are a liberal/progressive please see what the results of taxing and control result in. Bankruptcy.

The final step is of course taking a big old roll of duct tape and wrapping it around the head of the next silly fool that claims that we live in a democracy. We live in a democratic republic. Democracy is mob rule. Michigan is a prime example of what happens when fools convince themselves they live in a democracy. That is why we are the Michigan League of Fedup Citizens and I am in fact Surrounded by Idiots.

I'm not going to star or flag this thread because I am so mad at the entire situation I believe I am going to explode at any moment resulting in a "Man explodes in Saline, Michigan" thread. That one I'll S&F.
edit on 16-4-2011 by billxam because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 09:47 PM
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I'm curious here. What do you think we should do about the corrupt Unions?

When it reached the point where the Unions have abused their power to the point that public employees are paid way above the pay possible in private industry and services, which it has and they continue to demand even more, how exactly do you fix the problem?

The States are broke and the Unions are a huge part of the cause.

Now, I'm not anti-union at all by the way, but I am anti-corruption and I am against the Unions abusing their power in the way they have. Unions are supposed to fix problems, not create them. Nor is their function to increase public employees pay and benefits to the level it bankrupts the States and causes taxes so high it hurts the citizens. It's beyond reason to tax people who work harder, for less money to pay even more to people who are already overpaid and have obscene benefits.

You misuse the word Fascism entirely here, but I won't go there. Are you in fact for running head on into the same mess the old Soviet Union is still recovering from?

What is happening here, is that the food (money) supply is running out and the Unions are clamoring to eat more than their share by stealing the food gathered by others and leaving those who gathered the food to starve. It's pure greed and corruption. So how do we ignore the corruption happening in this regard and then place the blame on government and ignore the fact that it all happened by government buying Union Members votes? Both the politicians in buying votes and those pandering for the bribes hold equal blame.

Anyone who has ever dealt with government agencies knows for a fact that government workers are so buried under the bureaucracy and incompetent, they do a fraction of the work of the private sector for often twice the pay. Who pays for that? The people who are paid less for more work.

What I see now is fence straddlers all over the place. While being part of the problem themselves, many now want to continue being showered with money for their votes while they in turn demand more cookies from the empty cookie jar. How hypocritical and transparently dishonest is that?

We have one side now going too far, like this Emergency Manager issue and the other going too far the other way because they want their unearned handouts and care more about that, than the fact they are going to destroy the entire economy with their insane demands. There is no right side here. Just irrational demands from both sides.
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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 10:30 PM
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This is totally wrong, and disgusting in so many ways.
And the sheeple go, Baah, bhaaa, baaaaaa!
SnF



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 10:34 PM
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I say kick them all out, change the laws. Get rid of petty laws and useless officials. All the congress peoples do is take bribe money and call it endorsments, gifts. From big buisness and the facists. What a joke. Thats OK, tho. You see you americans like that sort of thing of getting ripped off , lied to, and putting your children in later danger. That is why you are all sheeple. The sleeping giant has been gassed and cannot get back up. America dumbed down. Pretty soon, with the chip implants, you will turn into slave labor for the facists. You like that america, don't you. You like it, cause you do nothing. You like it, you like it, you like it.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
A risky move. I hope it works out for you folks.


I cannot believe anyone can find anything positive to say about this and I find it harder to believe any of you are being sincere. Had the story been "Democrat replaces elected officials with appointess" or god forbid "Obama replaces..." you would all be screaming Marxist, Usurper, Dictator, Hitler, etc. He suggested HCR to lower health care costs and the same people said he was destroying America all while these Republicans are overturning ELECTIONS and you same people come out and clap for them.


Very funny after watching the right get all worked up over Nancy Pelosi: 'Elections Shouldn't Matter as Much as They Do'
edit on 16-4-2011 by Sinnthia because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by billxam
reply to post by sonofliberty1776
 


You want to know what we Michiganders are going to do about it? Well, first we don't elect a progressive democrat Canadian that raises our taxes during a recession - and we've been in a recession - actually a depression - for nearly a decade. Second, we stop sending progressive self appointed gods named Levin to Washington. Then we stop throwing money at the money sucking unions - teachers, auto, teamsters - take your pick.

Then as an added bonus we're not going to allow our local municipalities spend every damn penny in sight until we are bankrupt. We tried to tell them, we are broke, we tried to tell them, stop. Please, we're begging you. And they did not. Detroit of course has had an emergency manager for a decade now running their schools. Didn't know that did you?

Michigan is a cesspool of one obvious fact: Progressives are evil scum. If you are a liberal/progressive please see what the results of taxing and control result in. Bankruptcy.


Do you believe the things you type out? So your Republican god is going to restore fiscal responsibility by no longer waisting money to educate children? Good, good for you guys!

MI: Corporate Tax Cuts, Bigger Budget Hole


Michigan Governor Rick Snyder “wants to cut business taxes by 86%, lowering revenue from those taxes from $2.1 billion to approximately $293 million – a drop of $1.8 billion, all during a recession that has Michigan, like so many other states, strapped for cash. To close that gap, personal income taxes would go up from $5.75 billion to $7.5 billion – and rates on the lowest earners would go up more than rates on the top 1%.” Source: Forbes.com
Yeah, those stupid progressives want corporation to pay taxes and children to learn things in school while Ricky wants to get back to the American way?



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by whaaa

That sounds like a democratic process to me, just saying! Isn't that what happens in every election?



Yes, hence why unions used to be called "democracy in the workplace". Back when there were still honest ideologues. Now there are just neo-ideologues, on both sides it seems.

Of course there are shining examples of ACTUAL democracy in the workplace that probably make the neo-ideologue's heads explode. What, voting on raises? Preposterous I say! But those companies work very very well, and turn a profit always. Because when everyone gets an equal share of the profit, guess what they're equally invested in? But I digress...
edit on 16-4-2011 by PeasantRebellion because: typo, doh!



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
fdr did the same thing increased his own power for an "emergency crisis" for ww2



This piqued my interest. What did FDR do, exactly?



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 11:28 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
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I'm curious here. What do you think we should do about the corrupt Unions?


Sorry to but in, but I saw my name and thought you were impersonating me.


It was my understanding the thread was about rampant abuse of power by an over reaching Governor who has usurped the will of his constituents by deeming their duly elected officials null and void.

But that is just how I interpreted the thread title and OP "Emergency manager" has now taken over elected officials...Elections? Doesn't matter anymore.
Unless you were merely diverting to discuss unions in which case I'd just be re-diverting. Two wrongs don't make a right but three lefts do.

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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 11:34 PM
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pick your poison:

1. complete and total control and expansion of government
2. the looting of fort knox
3. the rounding up and interment of american citizens and confiscation of their property
4. throw anyone who disagree with him or his policies in jail.
5. confiscation of american gold their own personal property and making it illegal to own.
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