It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
No, I am certainly not insinuating you are rich. I also do not insinuate money cannot be saved by some, but for many, and even more so now, it is nearly impossible, and quite likely to get wiped out by the first emergency, or illness, OR when you have to start kicking in to help your elderly parent, which then cuts into what you would have had in the shoebox/savings account for your own care. You however insinuate that everyone will be cared for even though you cannot give examples of how that would be done for the many thousands upon thousands of folks that have no one to help them when they are no longer able to do for themselves.
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Reply to post by NoAngel2u
Are insinuating I'm rich? I've never been wealthy. Goig back 6 generations my family has never been wealthy. We're truck drivers, small farmers, and janitors.
It wasn't until this generation anyone in my family was able to break the 20k/year mark and considering the devalued currency and outrageous cost of living we still make due and save 20% of our income as we see fit despite what is stolen at gun point.
You don't have to be rich or even working class to make it.
Taking care of yourself and your family being only for the rich is another slave myth.
Posted Via ATS Mobile: m.abovetopsecret.com
Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by Becoming
With that attitude, I hope you keep your money too. I would also hope that you never need to depend on anyone for anything.
Let's say, for example a person has been working since they were 14. Paid their own way in life. Saved money for a rainy day. That rainy day came and wiped out what they had saved. It left them unable to earn an income sufficient to put aside savings again, or to pay for continued care. Out of money, wheel chair bound, no children/family able to help, or none of those at all. Do you help this person? Do you help the many people who have found themselves in similar situations? Or do you turn away from them, because they are now nothing more than a burden?
Originally posted by Becoming
Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by Becoming
With that attitude, I hope you keep your money too. I would also hope that you never need to depend on anyone for anything.
Thats a good idea.
Let those who want pay into this crappy program and if there is any money left when they need it they can draw from it. Let people, like me, who wants to be responsible for their own problems later in life have the option of not paying into it.
I have been putting money away since I started working at the age of 14. I have been responsible and will be able to pay my own way when I no longer work. But I still have to pay for those who haven't been as responsible. Is it fair that I put away money so that I won't be a burden to tax payers when I get older and still have to pay for those who say "screw it, I'm going to be a leach in my old age"?
Maybe I shouldnt work and start being a leach now? Why waste my time working 14 hours a day 6 days a week?
Ryan's Plan Will Fix Medicare - Not Destroy It
By BETSY MCCAUGHEY April 20, 2011
In his speech to the nation on Wednesday, President Obama joined the chorus of critics howling that Rep. Paul Ryan's federal budget proposal is cruel to seniors and will decimate Medicare as we've known it.
The data show the opposite. Seniors and baby boomers will be better off under the Ryan proposal than under the Obama health law.
The biggest winners are Americans under 55. They need to pay attention as Congress debates the budget. It is not about next year.
It's about Medicare a decade from now, when they will need it.
The Obama health plan reduces future funding for Medicare by $575 billion over the next 10 years and spends it on other programs, including a vast expansion of Medicaid.
It's robbing grandma and grandpa.
The Ryan program stops the raid on Medicare. In the year 2019, according to Medicare's own actuaries, Medicare will spend $14,731 per senior,under the Obama health law, instead of $16,162 if the Obama health law had not been enacted.
Such cuts might be justifiable if the savings extended the financial life of Medicare. President Obama and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius frequently make that false claim.
Even Medicare's mailings to seniors repeat the lie that the spending reductions will make Medicare more financially secure.
The truth is, Medicare is being bled dry, not saved.
While Ryan's proposal also reduces future Medicare spending over the next decade, the differences are how the reductions are achieved and what is done with the "savings." Ryan's proposal stops the Medicare heist.
That's good news for Americans who will turn 65 in 2022 or later. The Ryan proposal guarantees them a premium paid to the health plan of their choice.
Originally posted by boondock-saint
Originally posted by jjkenobi
I will sound cold-hearted for saying this but... it's not the government's job to take care of you when you are old,
then why the F' did they take money out of my
wages for my entire life for it then ???
That was an agreement and a law.
We pay in, we get back.
Now, they are breaking the contract.
Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by Misoir
I will soon be 64 years of age. In my lifetime, I have never seen the Republican Party attack the middle class, the poor and the elderly in such the way they are attempting to do now. I don't even recognize the Republican Party any more. President Eisenhower wouldn't even recognize his own party today. I don't know what has happened to them. They will, if they succeed, destroy America.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by Misoir
I will soon be 64 years of age. In my lifetime, I have never seen the Republican Party attack the middle class, the poor and the elderly in such the way they are attempting to do now. I don't even recognize the Republican Party any more. President Eisenhower wouldn't even recognize his own party today. I don't know what has happened to them. They will, if they succeed, destroy America.
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will soon be 65. I am still a registered Republican - - and ashamed to say so.
They are F'n crazy. I've never seen anything like this - - - before - - - in my lifetime.edit on 23-4-2011 by Annee because: (no reason given)