House Republicans Overwhelmingly Vote To Phase Out Medicare

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Reply to post by NoAngel2u

 

Are insinuating I'm rich? I've never been wealthy. Goig back 6 generations my family has never been wealthy. We're truck drivers, small farmers, and janitors.

It wasn't until this generation anyone in my family was able to break the 20k/year mark and considering the devalued currency and outrageous cost of living we still make due and save 20% of our income as we see fit despite what is stolen at gun point.

You don't have to be rich or even working class to make it.

Taking care of yourself and your family being only for the rich is another slave myth.

 

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No, I am certainly not insinuating you are rich. I also do not insinuate money cannot be saved by some, but for many, and even more so now, it is nearly impossible, and quite likely to get wiped out by the first emergency, or illness, OR when you have to start kicking in to help your elderly parent, which then cuts into what you would have had in the shoebox/savings account for your own care. You however insinuate that everyone will be cared for even though you cannot give examples of how that would be done for the many thousands upon thousands of folks that have no one to help them when they are no longer able to do for themselves.

Your last sentence right there confirms my point. "taking care of yourself and your family." Both of those are not options for many many people within the current societal structures. Again, yes, the structure of our society use to allow for family care for many. As society has evolved into a more corporate/consumerist/service/technology driven structure, with the need for everyone able to work away from the home to draw an income to pay for the debts accumulated and increased cost of utilities, food and other basic necessities, and away from agriculture and smaller cooperative communities we, as a society, have created greater need for out of home care services for not just elderly, but children and our physically and mentally handicapped loved ones.

You simply cannot deny that it is a reality today, that no matter how much it looked different historically, and would not be possible to revert to "the old ways" without noticing great suffering, as you posted earlier.

We need cuts across the board, but this "cut " in medicare is a good start. Unconstitutional social programs need to be eradicated. I would have preferred to cut the military complex spending first, then move to unneeded Pentagon spending, then trickle down from there. But that would be to logical.

reply to post by Whereweheaded


The problem is that is not a cut but more hardship for seniors and for the tax payer that still will be paying into a Medicare tax that will be benefiting everybody but those that pay into.

Yes the "tax" from Medicare will still be enforced, but no Medicare to show for.

So where is that money going? no into your hands or mine that is for sure. . . so the cut is for seniors but not for tax payers.

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by Becoming

 

With that attitude, I hope you keep your money too. I would also hope that you never need to depend on anyone for anything.

Thats a good idea.

Let those who want pay into this crappy program and if there is any money left when they need it they can draw from it. Let people, like me, who wants to be responsible for their own problems later in life have the option of not paying into it.

I have been putting money away since I started working at the age of 14. I have been responsible and will be able to pay my own way when I no longer work. But I still have to pay for those who haven't been as responsible. Is it fair that I put away money so that I won't be a burden to tax payers when I get older and still have to pay for those who say "screw it, I'm going to be a leach in my old age"?

Maybe I shouldnt work and start being a leach now? Why waste my time working 14 hours a day 6 days a week?

Originally posted by Becoming

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by Becoming

 

With that attitude, I hope you keep your money too. I would also hope that you never need to depend on anyone for anything.

Thats a good idea.

Let those who want pay into this crappy program and if there is any money left when they need it they can draw from it. Let people, like me, who wants to be responsible for their own problems later in life have the option of not paying into it.

I have been putting money away since I started working at the age of 14. I have been responsible and will be able to pay my own way when I no longer work. But I still have to pay for those who haven't been as responsible. Is it fair that I put away money so that I won't be a burden to tax payers when I get older and still have to pay for those who say "screw it, I'm going to be a leach in my old age"?

Maybe I shouldnt work and start being a leach now? Why waste my time working 14 hours a day 6 days a week?

Let's say, for example a person has been working since they were 14. Paid their own way in life. Saved money for a rainy day. That rainy day came and wiped out what they had saved. It left them unable to earn an income sufficient to put aside savings again, or to pay for continued care. Out of money, wheel chair bound, no children/family able to help, or none of those at all. Do you help this person? Do you help the many people who have found themselves in similar situations? Or do you turn away from them, because they are now nothing more than a burden?

I understand there are abuses of the programs that are intended to help those need of help, but there is also corporate, banking and govt abuses. Shall we do away with those structures as well and just have anarchy, or are we only going do away with the social structures that help the people that fund those structures.

reply to post by Becoming


Guess what, Medicare is no even free for seniors under social security, see my parents now retired and receving SS benefits get money withdraw by the government from their SS checks to pay for Medicare.

And even with the Medicare cut from seniors the Medicare tax will still be deducted from your pay check.

It's like I said 5 months ago, the House can pass anything it wants to and does not mean it will be taken on by The Senate. Certain rules state that if a matter isn't brought before The Senate in a predetermined amount of time that the bill in q effectively dies as all The Senate Schedule Keeper has to do is table the item indefinately and there isn't really anything anyone can do about it.

That is how all of the draconinan legislation proposed by the GOP since Jan 11 will die.

Ryan's Plan Will Fix Medicare - Not Destroy It
By BETSY MCCAUGHEY April 20, 2011
In his speech to the nation on Wednesday, President Obama joined the chorus of critics howling that Rep. Paul Ryan's federal budget proposal is cruel to seniors and will decimate Medicare as we've known it.

The data show the opposite. Seniors and baby boomers will be better off under the Ryan proposal than under the Obama health law.

The biggest winners are Americans under 55. They need to pay attention as Congress debates the budget. It is not about next year.

It's about Medicare a decade from now, when they will need it.

The Obama health plan reduces future funding for Medicare by $575 billion over the next 10 years and spends it on other programs, including a vast expansion of Medicaid.

It's robbing grandma and grandpa.

The Ryan program stops the raid on Medicare. In the year 2019, according to Medicare's own actuaries, Medicare will spend $14,731 per senior,under the Obama health law, instead of $16,162 if the Obama health law had not been enacted.

Such cuts might be justifiable if the savings extended the financial life of Medicare. President Obama and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius frequently make that false claim.

Even Medicare's mailings to seniors repeat the lie that the spending reductions will make Medicare more financially secure.

The truth is, Medicare is being bled dry, not saved.

While Ryan's proposal also reduces future Medicare spending over the next decade, the differences are how the reductions are achieved and what is done with the "savings." Ryan's proposal stops the Medicare heist.

That's good news for Americans who will turn 65 in 2022 or later. The Ryan proposal guarantees them a premium paid to the health plan of their choice.

This is just a small part of an email I got from Betsy McCaughey.

Let's stop the lies, shall we?

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by jjkenobi
I will sound cold-hearted for saying this but... it's not the government's job to take care of you when you are old,

then why the F' did they take money out of my
wages for my entire life for it then ???
That was an agreement and a law.
We pay in, we get back.
Now, they are breaking the contract.

They've been stealing it from you anyway. what's the difference? If they phase it out, at least they can't pretend they have an account with money in it. It's all been a Socialist scam from the start.

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by Misoir

 

I will soon be 64 years of age. In my lifetime, I have never seen the Republican Party attack the middle class, the poor and the elderly in such the way they are attempting to do now. I don't even recognize the Republican Party any more. President Eisenhower wouldn't even recognize his own party today. I don't know what has happened to them. They will, if they succeed, destroy America.

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will soon be 65. I am still a registered Republican - - and ashamed to say so.

They are F'n crazy. I've never seen anything like this - - - before - - - in my lifetime.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by Misoir

 

I will soon be 64 years of age. In my lifetime, I have never seen the Republican Party attack the middle class, the poor and the elderly in such the way they are attempting to do now. I don't even recognize the Republican Party any more. President Eisenhower wouldn't even recognize his own party today. I don't know what has happened to them. They will, if they succeed, destroy America.

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will soon be 65. I am still a registered Republican - - and ashamed to say so.

They are F'n crazy. I've never seen anything like this - - - before - - - in my lifetime.

edit on 23-4-2011 by Annee because: (no reason given)

This is why I refer ro Gen. Eisenhower as our last great GOP President. Everyone since has been the problem on both parties.

The way I see it is Im only 34 years old so what the hell do I care.

When I get old enough to use it there will be no Medicare or Medicade. By The time I reach retirement age (which is laughable because there will be no retirement only work til dead) there will also be no social security.

Even though they have been jacking my paycheck every week since I got my first job at age 15 so all of these baby boomer clowns can retire in Florida at age 50 and suck dry all that has been paid in.

Now they are limiting unemployment to six months, even though in a couple of months this will soon be the first time I have ever needed it or used it in my entire life.


The only thing you can do is learn to survive without any help from anybody. Go to a doctor once a year (if that)...learn to live on only what you can pay for out of pocket. Never expect help from the good ol' gubment...even though these vultures will continue to take my money for services I will never benefit from and will continue to tax me into til I drop dead.

Somehow it doest quite seem fair.

reply to post by BlackOps719


My friend under Obama care you have not choice if you fall under what big insurance and government calls "affordable" you will be forced to pay for insurance anyway regardless if you use it or not, then like in Massachusetts when is time and the need arise to use it the premiums and out of pocket expenses will keep you from even try, but still you will be leached from insurance companies by mandate while still been leached for Medicare and Medicaid as an entitlement.