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House Republicans Overwhelmingly Vote To Phase Out Medicare

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posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 09:23 AM
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If I were a political strategist, I would be using this "token vote" to illustrate that yes - certain House GOP members HATE seniors.

What you call tokens, I call opportunity.




posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by Misoir
My grandfather is already having a hard enough time with handling his health care with Medicare as-is, taking more away from him would destroy any chances of getting him to see the doctor.

We need cuts, major cuts, but how can we justify hitting seniors first without touching the military? They all need to be cut and actually I would like to see Medicare/Medicaid handed down to the states to manage rather than the Feds. I would love to see it eliminated at some point but as of now there is no viable alternative because our health care system is so screwed up, either the government manages your health care or big corporations do. How about neither?!


As soon as the Republicans mentioned "Death Panels" for seniors, I knew they were cooking up something like this.

Republicans devise plan- including 'buzz words'
plant the buzzwords by:
pre-blame plan results on dems
then hatch real plan
then blame dems for fallout.


90% of Medicaid goes to paying for nursing home care. Sending these people out on the street (if they have no family) or even sending them home will be a death sentence as families cannot provide proper nursing care for many.

So there's your #ing Death Panels for ya.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 09:25 AM
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I hope they do get rid of it.

Maybe then I won't have to pay for someone else to see the doctor. They should have taken care of themselves and planned for their future. Instead of hoping someone else will do it for them.

I am suppose to be paying into it for my own personal use, but its going to the senior citizens before me. Guess what, I think I want to keep my money and put it in my own retirement plan.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 09:27 AM
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I don't believe this is an issue of "the government" being responsible for taking care of you. What is so distasteful for a group to pool together their $ to care for those who need it. Why is that considered socialist. Do you consider your auto insurance a socialist program? lol

The corporaticsts have done a great job at convincing great people that the only real responsibility is to profits... for them of course.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 10:31 AM
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You realize that people pay into the system, so "YOU" are not paying for others healthcare. Likewise there are many illnesses that are not caused by someone "not taking care of themselves". As to what people did before medicare/medicaid, well to put it simply a lot of them just died. Add to that the fact that medical treatment costs have skyrocketed in the past few decades so if you don't have a lot of money (or even if you HAVE a lot of money) if you have a chronic illness you're in trouble. Heaven help you if you get sick, because no one else will. I have the misfortune to have Renal Disease and require dialysis. This was not caused by bad behavior but by a genetic disease. I worked my entire life and gladly paid taxes until i was no longer able to work. You can believe one thing for sure, there have been times when i've thought a bullet to the brainpan was a MUCH more appealing idea then dealing with medicare and all the doctors but thats what its there for. If you don't like it leave. I'm sure you'd get along GREAT in china and have a wonderful retirement plan.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by NoAngel2u

Originally posted by thisguyrighthereI guarantee that if these "programs" (if you can call them that) were wiped from the slate this afternoon not one person would notice any hiccup in what they perceive as being a benefit from these "programs."


What an outrageous statement. lol I do believe thousands of homeless elderly wandering and dying on the streets would be quite noticeable.


That's not going to happen. It didnt happen pre-these programs and it wont happen post.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by NoAngel2u

Originally posted by thisguyrighthereI guarantee that if these "programs" (if you can call them that) were wiped from the slate this afternoon not one person would notice any hiccup in what they perceive as being a benefit from these "programs."


What an outrageous statement. lol I do believe thousands of homeless elderly wandering and dying on the streets would be quite noticeable.


That's not going to happen. It didnt happen pre-these programs and it wont happen post.


Oh? And what do you think is going to happen? Hmm? You think the children of these elderly, who may very well be elderly themselves will be able to take care of them? What's going to happen to the elderly without any family to care for them? Money's gonna have to be coughed up somewhere.

You think the grand kids which will all be working full time jobs will be able to care of their elderly grandparents that require 24hr care. REQUIRE it. You just can't put a little old folk with Alzheimer in a room and shut the door till you get home from work like you do a dog.

It didn't happen as much before because our society was structured differently before. There were generations growing up near each other and someone always home to care for the elderly and the young in the family. That is not feasible on a family to family basis anymore. It is why we have social programs. It is why we NEED social programs, and NOT PRIVATIZED programs.

Non profit I can go with, but privatization only insures less care to increase profits.


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posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 10:51 AM
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With that attitude, I hope you keep your money too. I would also hope that you never need to depend on anyone for anything.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 10:54 AM
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There is nothing "distasteful" about your idea. It used to be that way a long time ago. Today's youth are not at all receptive to that idea of caring for parents, grandparents., etc.. They don't have the time, nor do they care enough.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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If somebody chooses to privatize their savings that's their choice.
If somebody chooses to stuff their savings into a shoebox that's their choice.

I'm not in the business of legislating on a bunch of "what-if's" or mandating that every individual do what I think is best at the barrel of a gun.

Before we let this government dictate to us every moment of our lives we got along fine and we will get along fine if left to our own devices once again.

You seem to like what you label as "socialism" and that's fine. I have nothing against it. Much of my life with my friends, family and community could be described as quite "socialist" but the difference is if you dont want to participate I'm not going to stick a gun in your face and force you to.

You know what's best for you. I dont know what's best for you. I know what's best for me. You do not know what's best for me.

Why is this such an impossible concept for so many?



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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Families used to take care of each other. Not so anymore. The youth of today are not going to do it, nor do they have the time, nor do they care enough.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 11:00 AM
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Guess why families dont take care of each other anymore? Guess why communities are falling apart?

Take a wild guess at where these incentives and ideals of "somebody else will do it" and "that's what I'm paying for, aint it?" came from.

You cant argue to maintain a system that created these problems on the basis that these problems it created exist.

It's like following through on a car crash rather than hitting the breaks because you're already speeding.
Some other guy recently screwed us all over by 'staying the course.' Gee, what was his name? Oh yeah, good ol GW.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
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If somebody chooses to privatize their savings that's their choice.
If somebody chooses to stuff their savings into a shoebox that's their choice.

I'm not in the business of legislating on a bunch of "what-if's" or mandating that every individual do what I think is best at the barrel of a gun.

Before we let this government dictate to us every moment of our lives we got along fine and we will get along fine if left to our own devices once again.

You seem to like what you label as "socialism" and that's fine. I have nothing against it. Much of my life with my friends, family and community could be described as quite "socialist" but the difference is if you dont want to participate I'm not going to stick a gun in your face and force you to.

You know what's best for you. I dont know what's best for you. I know what's best for me. You do not know what's best for me.

Why is this such an impossible concept for so many?
Because the vast majority do not have sufficient income to stuff in a shoebox that would be enough in the end to pay for their care in the event of any medical need, nor to invest in bankster schemes that would likely steal it before they could even reach retirement.

Personally I would rather we had a societal structure that allowed the elderly to remain at home with adequate care, but we simply do not for the most part.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 11:07 AM
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I get really sick of hearing that democrats and republicans are one in the same. IMO, nothing could be farther from the truth. It used to be that I could at least agree with a few of the republican positions, hell I even voted for Reagan the first time, (Big Mistake!). Today, I'd have to have some kind of bipolar disorder, in order to find agreement with them on almost any issue. IMO, the republican/tea party is probably the single biggest threat to this nation's prosperity and survival, that we face today.

I think what we really need is for the Medicare recipients of this country to "Overwhelmingly Vote To Phase Out Republicans," Then we would be getting somewhere. If left unchecked, the Republican/Tea Party will surely lead to the destruction of this great nation.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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Um, usually star your stuff, Vitchilo, but an opinion piece from a left-wing progressive site?

Hell, I might as well start posting Ann Coulters' stuff and pass that off as hard breaking news.


I'm disappointed, you've done better.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 11:11 AM
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Let me just say as well, that I am not adverse to care programs not being federal, but I am wholly against them being privatized. I can't even stress that enough. How about non-profit social programs under state control?

Otherwise, how would you suppose people will be cared for. You say that it will all be fine and work out, but you provide no examples of how you see that happening.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 11:16 AM
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Are insinuating I'm rich? I've never been wealthy. Goig back 6 generations my family has never been wealthy. We're truck drivers, small farmers, and janitors.

It wasn't until this generation anyone in my family was able to break the 20k/year mark and considering the devalued currency and outrageous cost of living we still make due and save 20% of our income as we see fit despite what is stolen at gun point.

You don't have to be rich or even working class to make it.

Taking care of yourself and your family being only for the rich is another slave myth.


 
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posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 11:21 AM
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The best evidence I can give is that pre these programs life went on just fine.

Taking into account average earnings, value of the dollar, cost of living etc... people were on average better off then then they are now.

Take some time to go through historical earnings, expenses and dollar valuation charts pre and post WWII and if you're paying attention you'll be pretty damn pissed off at what they've done to this country in the name of global tyranny.


 
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posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 11:33 AM
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My state of GA is one of 12 states that are pushing this bill within the states, the whole issue have something else behind it, and is the pushing of retirement age meaning that seniors will have to work longer in their lives to be able to to paiy for mandatory health care under Obamacare, this is another dirty secret cooking behind the health care reform but is only a hush, hush issue, remember that Obama care have many loopholes that were made possible the thanks to big pharma and health care insurance that wrote it.

The vouchers will expired but what is going to be first is the vouchers running dry on the many expensive prescription drugs that many seniors are hook on thanks to big pharma. This brings another issue seniors will be looking for alternative treatments that the government is also working and pushing bills to make imposible in this nation under the FDA (Codex alimentatus).

Remember who wrote and push the Medicare reform bill.

So the key here is to make seniors fall for private insurance to supplement their very soon none existent Medicare.

And the part that should get everybody up in arms is that the medicare tax will still be taken our of our pay checks


Obama care is getting more complicate by the minute . . . but then again we know who are the ones to be enjoying the profit marry go around anyway
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posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 11:40 AM
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Yes you are right, but back then people relayed more on Alternative medicine and health care was free, health insurance and big pharma were no created yet.

Now they run our health care system. . . control our health care, and they want profits and using manipulation.



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