posted on Jul, 29 2004 @ 09:17 AM
We all know how tiny the modern State of Israel is, and how it is geo-politcally situated in a very very very very very bad neighbourhood, to put it
mildly. Some of their "national defense" rhetoric is fairly legitimate and I do not think there are many on this thread would ever deny Israel's
right to defend its pre-1967 borders from attack from the outside.
But Israel has often over-stated its "national defense" case since 1967 and has abused the idea again and again as a blanket excuse to commit the
most atrocious of human rights violations since the 1960s--even to the point of pre-emptive aggression (case in point: the sneak attack on the morning
of April 5th 1967 against the Egyptian Air Force on the ground)
And with respect to the looming issue with Iran, it's this "pre-emptive strike" thingy that may be the dangerous aspect of "defense" and many
persons on these threads seem to bring in the "holocaust" or "chosen people lingo" as a way of allowing "the Jewish State of Israel" free rein
to act against the will of the world community even before Resolution #280 was passed by the UN.
Reflect on the fact that the "Jewish State of Israel" was mainly founded mainly by "secular" Jews who survived the Nazi death camps--yet what has
happened since 1948 is that right-wing Israeli Likkud currently in power in Israel today has been slowly infiltrated and co-opted by very dangeous
right wing Ultra Orthodox religious extremists over the past 25 years ---whose long range plan is based on the words of the Old Testament prophets as
"payback policy" to all those goyim nations who attacked ancient Israel in ancient times: i.e. In the Last Days to repay ALL the PERSCUTORS and
OCCUPIERS of Eretz Israel since its inception", e.g. Egypt, Babylon (Iraq), Persia (Iran) purely on "scriptural" grounds that they are some how the
"chosen people" and that their scriptures somehow still apply to them on some kind of racial grounds.
Which means of course that Greece and Rome would eventually be on the "Israeli Pay Back Hit List" if any of these right wing Ultra Orthodox
religious Zealots had their way.
And like militant Islam, much of the rhetoric out of the mouth of pro-Zionists in the US press (which often seems to whitewash Israel's 'state
sponsored terrorism'--- especially against the Palestinian civilian population) seems to be influenced even today by Jewish religious extremists,
whose language is firmly rooted in "scripture" where somehow "their god" is involved, so it's ok whatever they choose to do....
The US Govt (and a good chunk of the US press who often seems to support it) generally label extremist Muslim sects"terrorists" -----but rarely are
extremist Jewish sects ever called by that same appellation.
Why the DOUBLE STANDARD?
Racism is Racism: Religious extremism is Religious extremism--whetehr Jewish or Muslim. Both are full of Intolerance. Both lead to death and
destruction. Both are corrupting. Both are wrong, and both need to be stamped out or at least contained.
Yet to many on these thread discussions, it's ok to let the hard line Ultra Right Wing Extremist Orthodox "Jewish" language to go unchallenged.
It seems many on this thread are even more ignorant of the genocidal policies and racial-extermination language that were placed into the mouth of the
clan-god of Israel (Yawheh) and "Moses" (-"Mosheh") in the Torah and in other "Old Testament"writings that some persons on this thread believe
are "holy writ" for some reason.
Perhaps people who claim that Israel "knows all about genocide" (convenientley forgetting that 9 million non-Jews were also exterminated by Herr
Hitler in WWII), are overlooking the fact that the absolute core of " Rabinninc" Judaeism (to socalled TORAH of "Moses" ) is nothing short of a
genocidal racist document in itself.
And the un-edited Talmud fares no better ("the best of the goyim, exterminate them!" etc.) if people would only bother to get a copy of the versions
which was "unexpurgated" which goyim are technically not allowed to read, but which sheds light on the ultra orthodox Rabinnic Jewish racism which
permeates much of Israeli defence policy even to this day.
How few Americans even know what the "Israeli settler" Dr Rabbi Baruch Goldstein (originally of Brooklyn NY) did in the Cave of the Patriarchs on 25
Feb 1994 (killing 29 Palestinian worshippers and wounding 87 at 5:30 in the morning, screaming verses from Hezekiel chapter 8 and 9 and Deuteronomy
chapter 13 and chapter 20, all sort of woven together as he mowed down as many muslims he could with his automatic weapon becasue they werer "facing
This was a RABBI who did this. And now there are several ultra orthodox groups as well as poltical organisations like the JDL who want to "honour"
this monster, a freind of the heinous Rabbi Meir Kahane, with a statue in NYC and in Israel------yet no one dares call the Jewish Defence League a
"terrorist organisation" in the US press....
Yet Rabbi Goldstein did exactly what he believed his "god" told him to do to non-Jews based on some specifically worded language in Torah and the
Read for example Deuteronomy chapter 13 and Deuteronomy chapter 20 as well as the heinously genocidal book of "Joshua" which seems to take delight
in exterminating Canaanites ("men, women, children and the animals, genocide them all, leave notning breathing..." etc.)
And that cruel Yahwistic Psalm which is sometimes used to justify all the atrocities and war crimes against Iraqi civilians commited by the
American-Zionist forces currently engaged in the so-called War against Terrorism: e.g. "O Daughter of Babylon who are about to be obliterated,
Blessed is he, who will bash the heads of their babies against the cliffs..." Psalm 137:9 etc.
One really has to stand back and see that the "average Muslim citizen" (if one can speak so generally) on the street (i.e. not the extremist Muslim
clerics etc.) is not any more terrorist-extremist than the "average Jew" on the street (with the possible exception of the "ultra orthodox" armed
settlers in Occupied Palestine..and these people are far from the average), but BOTH opposing groups have been co-opted (at times) by extremist
elements in their respective religions who tend to use genocidal lingo and place it into the mouth of their respective clan gods (YHWH and Allah) for
their own geo-political ends.
Why are so many persons on all the "poor little Israel" threads like these reluctant to admit that Ultra Right Wing Extremist Ulta-Orthodox Rabbis
use their Torah to justify their own acts of state sponsored terrorist acts (Deir Yassin, Sabra & Shatilla etc. etc. etc. ) and are actually acting no
different in essence than many of the "terrorists" among their own ultra orthodox religious cleric-counterparts in Islam?
Is the US press to blame for this silence? Is AIPAC?
Religious Extremism is Religious Extremism, and both are racist, both are dangerous and both are morally reprehensible.
And the sensible ones stuck in the middle of all this rhetoric from either end (i.e. in both religions) are the ones who will suffer in the end if
Israel decides to take pre-emptive military action against Iran.