Israel will be 'wiped off earth' if it attacks Iran: Revolutionary Guards

Originally posted by DYepes

WestPoint23
Yes finally someone smart tells these hopeless idiots that are blowing their guts to stop cuz they are not going to win anything also just cuz we have technology and music and arts and democracy we are the evil devil these people need to realize that they are only producing more hate and violence by blowing themselves up and the part that cracks me p is they think they are going to go to heaven with 70 virgins if they commit suicide

You know Iran also has music and arts maybe democracy is not at such a good level though. But as far as their society goes, these people are not actually that bad and the citizens are simply trying to live their lives normaly. They dont go around blowing each other up as you say.

In fact here is a news site from Iran www.payvand.com... that has many links providing insight into the so caled "insane suicidal freedom hating primitive extremists" many make them out to be.

In fact the only problem I see is that the people in that country, like our own, fear their government too much to rise up and make a change for the better. America definetly has alot more in common with Iran than people would speculate. If anyone has the opportunity and financial means I don't think it would be a bad idea to visit there. Or if anyone has been there, share your insight of the way you saw their society. Because what I gather from their news site, its not so crazy as people think.

i have a good friend (an american) who lived in iran for several years. he says that the vast majority of people there respect america and are very pro-democracy. it's just a matter of time before the younger generation begins to come to power and things will change for the better in iran. many iranians were educated here and have family here. the amazing thing is, they still respect america despite what we americans have done to ruin their country. this respect comes not because they care about our current politics, but because iran, believe it or not, has always had a very strong democratic tradition (but, sadly, always a power willing to subvert, pervert, or oppress its peoples) and they recognize the same spirit in america. give iran a chance.

-koji K.

Originally posted by nathraq
What leader is THAT? I only remember the Shah, then after the Revolution the Ayatollas took power. Which elected government are you talking about??

Instead of posturing with an aggressive tone, you could have used google and come up with the name Mohamed Mossadeq (sp).

For the record, I'm for denuclearizing Iran. With force if necessary.

Originally posted by ShadowXIX
So true SIRR1 Iran has no need to make a nuclear reactor for the production of electricty. After that theres much eles you can use a nuclear reactor for besides weapons. For them to make a nuclear reactor in Iran is like bringing sand to the beach.

I grow tired of this mindless argument. Making a nuclear reactor makes perfect sense if the power that is provided by it costs less than the market price of oil.

I am against Iran on this issue, but I'd like to see sensible arguments, please.

We all know how tiny the modern State of Israel is, and how it is geo-politcally situated in a very very very very very bad neighbourhood, to put it mildly. Some of their "national defense" rhetoric is fairly legitimate and I do not think there are many on this thread would ever deny Israel's right to defend its pre-1967 borders from attack from the outside.

But Israel has often over-stated its "national defense" case since 1967 and has abused the idea again and again as a blanket excuse to commit the most atrocious of human rights violations since the 1960s--even to the point of pre-emptive aggression (case in point: the sneak attack on the morning of April 5th 1967 against the Egyptian Air Force on the ground)

And with respect to the looming issue with Iran, it's this "pre-emptive strike" thingy that may be the dangerous aspect of "defense" and many persons on these threads seem to bring in the "holocaust" or "chosen people lingo" as a way of allowing "the Jewish State of Israel" free rein to act against the will of the world community even before Resolution #280 was passed by the UN.

Reflect on the fact that the "Jewish State of Israel" was mainly founded mainly by "secular" Jews who survived the Nazi death camps--yet what has happened since 1948 is that right-wing Israeli Likkud currently in power in Israel today has been slowly infiltrated and co-opted by very dangeous right wing Ultra Orthodox religious extremists over the past 25 years ---whose long range plan is based on the words of the Old Testament prophets as "payback policy" to all those goyim nations who attacked ancient Israel in ancient times: i.e. In the Last Days to repay ALL the PERSCUTORS and OCCUPIERS of Eretz Israel since its inception", e.g. Egypt, Babylon (Iraq), Persia (Iran) purely on "scriptural" grounds that they are some how the "chosen people" and that their scriptures somehow still apply to them on some kind of racial grounds.

Which means of course that Greece and Rome would eventually be on the "Israeli Pay Back Hit List" if any of these right wing Ultra Orthodox religious Zealots had their way.

And like militant Islam, much of the rhetoric out of the mouth of pro-Zionists in the US press (which often seems to whitewash Israel's 'state sponsored terrorism'--- especially against the Palestinian civilian population) seems to be influenced even today by Jewish religious extremists, whose language is firmly rooted in "scripture" where somehow "their god" is involved, so it's ok whatever they choose to do....

The US Govt (and a good chunk of the US press who often seems to support it) generally label extremist Muslim sects"terrorists" -----but rarely are extremist Jewish sects ever called by that same appellation.

Why the DOUBLE STANDARD?

Racism is Racism: Religious extremism is Religious extremism--whetehr Jewish or Muslim. Both are full of Intolerance. Both lead to death and destruction. Both are corrupting. Both are wrong, and both need to be stamped out or at least contained.

Yet to many on these thread discussions, it's ok to let the hard line Ultra Right Wing Extremist Orthodox "Jewish" language to go unchallenged.

It seems many on this thread are even more ignorant of the genocidal policies and racial-extermination language that were placed into the mouth of the clan-god of Israel (Yawheh) and "Moses" (-"Mosheh") in the Torah and in other "Old Testament"writings that some persons on this thread believe are "holy writ" for some reason.

Perhaps people who claim that Israel "knows all about genocide" (convenientley forgetting that 9 million non-Jews were also exterminated by Herr Hitler in WWII), are overlooking the fact that the absolute core of " Rabinninc" Judaeism (to socalled TORAH of "Moses" ) is nothing short of a genocidal racist document in itself.

And the un-edited Talmud fares no better ("the best of the goyim, exterminate them!" etc.) if people would only bother to get a copy of the versions which was "unexpurgated" which goyim are technically not allowed to read, but which sheds light on the ultra orthodox Rabinnic Jewish racism which permeates much of Israeli defence policy even to this day.

How few Americans even know what the "Israeli settler" Dr Rabbi Baruch Goldstein (originally of Brooklyn NY) did in the Cave of the Patriarchs on 25 Feb 1994 (killing 29 Palestinian worshippers and wounding 87 at 5:30 in the morning, screaming verses from Hezekiel chapter 8 and 9 and Deuteronomy chapter 13 and chapter 20, all sort of woven together as he mowed down as many muslims he could with his automatic weapon becasue they werer "facing the east")?

This was a RABBI who did this. And now there are several ultra orthodox groups as well as poltical organisations like the JDL who want to "honour" this monster, a freind of the heinous Rabbi Meir Kahane, with a statue in NYC and in Israel------yet no one dares call the Jewish Defence League a "terrorist organisation" in the US press....

Yet Rabbi Goldstein did exactly what he believed his "god" told him to do to non-Jews based on some specifically worded language in Torah and the Prophets.

Read for example Deuteronomy chapter 13 and Deuteronomy chapter 20 as well as the heinously genocidal book of "Joshua" which seems to take delight in exterminating Canaanites ("men, women, children and the animals, genocide them all, leave notning breathing..." etc.)

And that cruel Yahwistic Psalm which is sometimes used to justify all the atrocities and war crimes against Iraqi civilians commited by the American-Zionist forces currently engaged in the so-called War against Terrorism: e.g. "O Daughter of Babylon who are about to be obliterated, Blessed is he, who will bash the heads of their babies against the cliffs..." Psalm 137:9 etc.

One really has to stand back and see that the "average Muslim citizen" (if one can speak so generally) on the street (i.e. not the extremist Muslim clerics etc.) is not any more terrorist-extremist than the "average Jew" on the street (with the possible exception of the "ultra orthodox" armed settlers in Occupied Palestine..and these people are far from the average), but BOTH opposing groups have been co-opted (at times) by extremist elements in their respective religions who tend to use genocidal lingo and place it into the mouth of their respective clan gods (YHWH and Allah) for their own geo-political ends.

Why are so many persons on all the "poor little Israel" threads like these reluctant to admit that Ultra Right Wing Extremist Ulta-Orthodox Rabbis use their Torah to justify their own acts of state sponsored terrorist acts (Deir Yassin, Sabra & Shatilla etc. etc. etc. ) and are actually acting no different in essence than many of the "terrorists" among their own ultra orthodox religious cleric-counterparts in Islam?

Is the US press to blame for this silence? Is AIPAC?

Religious Extremism is Religious Extremism, and both are racist, both are dangerous and both are morally reprehensible.

And the sensible ones stuck in the middle of all this rhetoric from either end (i.e. in both religions) are the ones who will suffer in the end if Israel decides to take pre-emptive military action against Iran.

For those who are calling some states as 'terrorist states'

Who is the terrorist here??? I really want to know!!!!

I remind you, Iraq, Iran, Afganistan, North Corea, South Corea- Yes(think about it), Vietnam (great victory, by the way), Libanon, Saudi Arabia, Greece-Turkey.

Remember how many millions of deads you had in the 'Chinese' areas, or you have already forgotten???

Democracy-Freedom-Equality CANNOT BE IMPOSED by political and financial systems.

The threat was the anarchism & communism, a few decaded ago, then the socialism and the new movement for peace, now the terrorists..........

But history has proven that all empires have a very bad end, this will be probably the worst in a some decades or maybe hundreds of years...

A weak physicist.....

After all, Iran is just following through on its publicly-stated goal of reducing its dependence on domestic oil.

Prediction: A repeat of Osirak, but a trickier plan.



[edit on 7/29/2004 by Majic]

Originally posted by WestPoint23
When did I say lets nuke every one I frankly could care less what Iran is feeling all i know is if Iran has nuclear weapons they would attack Israel and lead to more conflict with US troops in the region. Plus Iran cant be trusted with nukes a si have no doubt they would sell it to al quada.

A few words, firstly your completely paranoid, and you do have a gun ho american attitude, most of the problems in the middle east were caused by US troops going in. Do you not realise this.

Also you don't realise that israel is one of the most trigger happy countries with nukes in the world, they were going to lob a few into Iraq when Scuds started to fall, during the first gulf war. Israel is as likely to kick something off, so don't assume it will be all Irans fault. As for your attitude that you couldn't care, then you should be ashamed with yourself. So you don't care if anybody else gets killed as long as your yanky doodle dandy US troops are ok. You should equally not want innocent people in Iran to be killed if something happens. Stop being so ignorant, and have a bit of compassion for someone else in the world.

I don't care what Iran thinks means that don't care what their leaders think of America you think im going to feel sad cuz Iran is upset with us
How do you connect I don't care what Iran thinks with I want to kill every one except US troops please tell me how you linked those 2 together?

Do you think that the US will get its self involved? Tell the UN to stop it? (even though the US runs the UN)