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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 02:00 AM
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Recently my wife has been going to church.
got saved ...now going to get baptized.


I want to believe in a higher power such as god jesus ect...
I just feel for a lack of a better word retarded praying to something i do not know if it exists or not.

Its like the guy down the street and his wife everyone in my small town makes fun of them cause they worship the sun.
But at least they know the sun is real.
so i never got why they make fun of them.


But my wife begs me every Wednesday and Sunday to go to church. i just cant do it.
Heck they pay there preacher money to preach to them.
Just seems wrong to me.
If he truly thought he was doing gods work..why do you have to pay him ?


But it is starting to cause a drain on my marriage cause apparently the preacher has it in her head i am a sinner for not believing.
But i dont want to go just to save my marriage..forced...you know. it isnt right.

But if you can give me logical proof as to why god exist's you very well may save my marriage.

thanks for any and all honest reply's
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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 02:13 AM
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Sorry to hear of your situation. I was always much like you. Didnt really believe in god per-se and definitely wasnt into religion. Upon growing older and wiser and learning of the corruption in this world my mind has changed. I think of it like this basically, if the "elite" are into this devil worshiping, lucifer worshiping, or what have-you then there must be a "god"or "creator" of some sort. Religion like every other thing in life has been infiltrated and corrupted but still is meant to be good. Going to church should not be too harmful maybe just go once a week or something. Good Luck all i can tell you is that there is something behind this madness have faith.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 02:19 AM
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Well first off, don't get sucked into "religion". I believe in God 100%, but there is something wrong with many of the "religions" today. God and Jesus themselves hate religion, it's that whole "You have to do this, to get that" attitude.

As for making you a believer.. No one can do that. It isn't up to us. You have your own free will and can choose to believe whatever you believe in. The pastor, hopefully, isn't that aggressive when he speaks about you.. what kind of church is it?

Either way, I guess the only thing I can do is explain to you what believing in God means to me, personally. "Proof" is a hard thing to, well, prove. I don't have physical evidence of what God is, unless you count the entire Universe as proof of his works, but most Christians go by faith alone and I'm a much more.. practical man, in that I want to bridge any gap there is between Science and Creation.

So, to me, there are dozens of personal reasons a God exists. Sometimes I have doubts, but then I think of this one situation that many of my family members and myself have lived through.. and that is seeing Demons. My father personally aided in an Exorcism, and seen one for himself (which is a long story, but that's the night he got saved. It was interesting to note that another family member saw the same demon, that is, long flowing black hair, tall figure, and they didn't tell each other, but told another family member, who confirmed they both saw the same thing).

I tell myself.. if there are Demons, surely there is a God. That is just one reason out of many.

Again, none of us can make you believe in God. That's your choice alone. What I do recommend though is going to church with your wife, if for the sole reason because she asked you to go. Maybe you'll hear something that speaks to you.. who knows.

Hope your marriage works out though, brother.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 02:23 AM
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The One True God is an everlasting creator. He is without beginning or end. We have trouble with that concept because our material minds cannot wrap around the idea of an immaterial everlasting being.

Some of the people on Earth are called by God to be believers. They know Him and respond to Him. The others, many of whom you will see on this forum, will not.

The original Apostles were instructed to preach the word, to gather in His sheep. Some of the words fell on deaf ears, even as they do today. Do not worry, my friend. The ones who need to hear His voice and words are hearing it loud and clear.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 02:48 AM
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I think, rather than trying to convert yourself, you should reflect on the psychological forces at play here. Why do you think your wife has recently turned to religion? Why now? What did she believe before this? Has anything happened in your lives recently that may have caused her to seek out religion?

I'm not saying that this is the issue, I'm merely stating what I've sometimes observed, but often it seems that people use religion as a sort of coping mechanism.

For example, someone who feels guilty for something that they have done may feel a need for forgiveness, which religion provides. Someone who has lost someone very close to them may seek solace or comfort, which religion provides. Someone who feels worthless or insignificant may want to believe and be a part of something bigger than himself, which religion provides. Someone who feels lost may turn to religion because they offer the opportunity to be saved.

Not sure if this will help or not, or whether it's even relevant, but I think if something indeed has happened that triggered this change, then perhaps if you were able to get things back to the way they were, or resolve the underlying issue, she would no longer need religion.

Nonetheless, there hasn't been any logical proof of a god for thousands of years, so I wouldn't pin your hopes on someone actually being able to convince you. At best, out of your desire to be convinced, you might unconsciously allow yourself to be deceived by some specious argument, but even if you do at some point claim that you have been converted, deep down it will taste a lie, and the artificiality of it all will grow to be unbearable.

So ultimately, I don't think trying to convince yourself of the existence of god and the absurdities of religion is the best solution.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 03:03 AM
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You dont need any organised religion to believe in God, most of them are corrupt money making organisation's.
What you would be better of doing is learning meditaion and understanding that the kingdom of god is within
you. You do not need anyone to intervene between you and god, you are as close to the eternal spirit as anyone
Meditate and follow your own intuition and heart, dont listen to anyone that may call you a sinner it's a control
mechanism.

The Vedanta recognizes no sin it only recognizes error. And the greatest error, says the Vedanta is to say that you are weak, that you are a sinner, a miserable creature, and that you have no power and you cannot do this and that.
Swami Vivekananda

Never think there is anything impossible for the soul. It is the greatest heresy to think so. If there is sin, this is the only sin; to say that you are weak, or others are weak.
Swami Vivekananda

I was supremely happy, for I had seen. Nothing could ever be the same. I have drunk of the clear and pure waters at the source of the fountain of life and my thirst was appeased. Nevermore could I be thirsty. Never more could I be in darkness; I have seen the Light, I have touched compassion which heals all sorrow and suffering; it is not for myself, but for the world. I have stood on the mountain top and gazed at the mighty Beings. I have seen the glorious and healing Light. The fountain of Truth has been revealed to me and the darkness has been dispersed, Love in all its glory has intoxicated my heart; my heart can never be closed. I have drunk of the fountain of Joy and eternal Beauty. I am God-intoxicated.
Krishnamurti



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 03:07 AM
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I'd like to get your opinion on the OP. See what you think.

Join the conversation here. Just be careful with the opposers and anti-bible anti-God folks. 

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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 03:09 AM
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Spirituality is a... singular and personal relationship.

While it hard to .. be the spouse of someone who "found" something in religion or any spiritual philosophy.. They feel as if they figured something out.. and often feel as if you yourself would get it just as well as you could.

Problem is this isn't the case.. Its a personal and private path. .. but its nigh impossible to drag someone with you.


In the bible there is an axiom that.. you should not force the word.. And she should be at peace with the role of it in her life. If shes a good enough example. youll find your way eventually.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 03:10 AM
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But if you can give me logical proof as to why god exist's you very well may save my marriage.


While I can't give you any proof, since I myself dont believe, but I would like to say that maybe you should sit your wife down and discuss exactly how you feel about it (if you haven't already) Religion shouldnt ruin a marriage thats just wrong on so many of levels.
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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 03:14 AM
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There is no such thing as an ALL-knowing, ALL-powerful, invisible being, who created the WHOLE Universe, and who lives in another dimension called heaven.

In order to save your marriage, instead of filling up with the non-existent Holy spirit, you can fill up with the spirit of your wife. Love HER while she's playing a Love Thy God game. The characters in a fictional story aren't real, but you can still enjoy the movie, right?



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 03:33 AM
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Kudos to you for trying to save your marriage! You don't have to believe to participate in this part your wife's life. Perhaps a compromise can be reached? Does the church your wife has joined offer any group activities other than Wednesday and Sunday services? Is the church involved in any charity work? Or have study groups or special interest groups? Find out everything you can about the church and then tell your wife you will become involved in whichever activity that most suits your own values!

As for the pastor, he has to live in the world and receiving a stipend is not unreasonable. Find out if he is one of those who take a hefty proportion of church funds. If so, point out to your wife that this may be detrimental to any community or missionary work the church supports.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 03:35 AM
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I am assuming the religion is Christianity, if so the female preacher is out of place anyway. Your wife should accept you for the man she married and not try to change you. Unfortunately, many relationships can be ruined by religion because the believer tries to change the unbeliever. I can't tell you what to do, but don't be someone you're not just to please your wife, be true to your beliefs you will be happier in the long run.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 03:39 AM
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You'll be His this very day.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 04:05 AM
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No one can cause you to become a believer, It is something you undertake that is personal to you. I understand some people believe in nothing because the do not have faith. Faith is found by connecting to truths you find along the way as you seek out the Lord. Many parts of the bible are very hard to understand due to translation and forming of the book as a whole. The age of texts and mans understanding as well as old rules that did not permit certain ways of thinking or beliefs of new scientific laws, play a part in this problem as well.

You have free will which is a truely miraculous gift, and one that also permits you to be fully put to the test.
This also is what makes it your choice alone to believe,to do so for another person would be a lie and have no merit anyway. Love your woman with all your might that is good and pleasing to the Lord, for this also is a gift for you. Use that love that you have for her, begin your search for God if it is your desire, I know you would find him.God is not hiding from you its you hiding from him...

Unless you want to know God you never will, the rewards you recieve for allowing him into your life are beyond measure. You will be unable to stop the flow of his good graces nor would you wish to. For its what your soul does desire, even if you dont want to admit it to your self. Without God you will always be searching and never be satisfied this is him calling to you. Answer the call humble yourself before God let him begin to mold you.

I hope you find God and that you do it for you.

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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 04:15 AM
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I've been through this change myself.
I was an atheist at the age of 20, and became a Christian.
I would say, in the first place, that honesty is key, including being honest with yourself.
You are right not to want to "fake it".
It is not possible, by an act of will, to convince yourself that the Biblical picture of God is true.
There is one thing, though, that you can do as a conscious act. You can make a decision, acknowledging your uncertainty, to put your trust in him anyway. That was effectively my own route.
Don't rush it. Be honest with yourself. But bear that possibility in mind. This could be the way that God has chosen to appeal to you.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 04:22 AM
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If your wife is a Christian and firmly believes in the bible show her 1 Peter 3:1




1 Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives,


NIV



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 04:25 AM
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That would be evidence that God wants you to do it for yourself as well.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 04:28 AM
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Originally posted by 5StarOracle
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That would be evidence that God wants you to do it for yourself as well.


Are you saying the OP should submit to his wife or to God?



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 04:34 AM
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Thats telling his wife not to force his relationship with God upon him and to set a good example for him, and that he should submit to the Lord for himself. Whats more its saying that he will be moved to do so if she does this.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 04:39 AM
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Originally posted by 5StarOracle
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Thats telling his wife not to force his relationship with God upon him and to set a good example for him, and that he should submit to the Lord for himself. Whats more its saying that he will be moved to do so if she does this.


Agreed, I also think it more or less says actions speak louder than words. From what he mentioned in his post the OP suggests that this is putting a strain on the marriage. Not knowing the entire story I am going to guess that her over zealous behavior is driving him away. Unfortunately, many believers don't take the time to really read and understand what the bible says. They become Christians and immediately want to bring in more sheep to the flock before they have the time to understand what it means to "pick up the cross."



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