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Racism on ATS: an open discussion

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posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by SirKnightE
reply to post by jfj123
 


reply to post by Illusionsaregrander
 


I seriously feel you two have the largest issues with race on this thread..... Did a big black kid beat you up in school?

I'm not defending racism in any way. As a matter of fact, I've been stating just the opposite so your point is...well...pointless



How can both you supposedly intelligent people take fractions of a sentence and come up with your own assumption.... You know what they say when you ASSuMe sh!t right.

I can't know what you think, I can only go by what you write. Maybe you should be more clear when putting thoughts down here on ATS



3 degrees and own business......? right

Right.


You can't even read, how do you expect anyone to believe you own anything of value.

Hmmm. I can't read yet I've been able to write and respond to your sad attempts at trying to anger me



You both took absolutely everything I said and twisted to prove that I am a racist.

Again, I/we can only go by what you write and not what you're thinking.


If thats what you want then cool.... I hate white people with the screen names illusionsaregrander and jfj123. Do you feel better now. You two are worse than fox news, take small sound bites and distort the hell out of them.

again, you must bring my ethnic background in to the equation...notice I haven't done the same to you? Ya know why? Because, to me, it doesn't matter how much melanin you have in your skin. By the way, I'm not white, I'm polish, hungarian and welsch



Instead of trying to prove how racist others are, admit it with in yourself.... That was the point of this thread... To give people like you the chance to come clean...

You've been the only one here who "dislikes" people because of their color. Maybe you should work on that




posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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Guys, why are you arguing with each other when it has been clear from since your first posts that you both dislike racism? Both sides have twisted and misrepresented the other sides stance on things, so now what? SirKightE can dislike something or someone if he wants, this does not equate hate or racism. I believe he clearly stated in his first post that he dislikes anyone (White,Black,Brown,Green) who hates him because he is Black, and he has every right to do so. Both sides are equally 'guilty' of twisting and misrepresenting the other sides view, let us move on now. There were plenty of others who self-admittedly voiced their racist views here, so why not address them?

This thread was not created so people who both dislike racism could argue with each other, that is ridiculous and counter-productive.This thread was created so people who have what might be deemed as racist views could voice these views with honesty, and so others who dislike racism could discuss with them why these views may not be valid or productive. Please keep to this. Anything else is detracting from this. Thank you.

Peace.



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by LifeIsEnergy
Guys, why are you arguing with each other when it has been clear from since your first posts that you both dislike racism? Both sides have twisted and misrepresented the other sides stance on things, so now what? SirKightE can dislike something or someone if he wants, this does not equate hate or racism. I believe he clearly stated in his first post that he dislikes anyone (White,Black,Brown,Green) who hates him because he is Black, and he has every right to do so. Both sides are equally 'guilty' of twisting and misrepresenting the other sides view, let us move on now. There were plenty of others who self-admittedly voiced their racist views here, so why not address them?

This thread was not created so people who both dislike racism could argue with each other, that is ridiculous and counter-productive.This thread was created so people who have what might be deemed as racist views could voice these views with honesty, and so others who dislike racism could discuss with them why these views may not be valid or productive. Please keep to this. Anything else is detracting from this. Thank you.

Peace.


Although he did state that, he did continue on to make statements with racist undertones.
Hidden racism in my opinon, is worse in many cases.



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 08:38 PM
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Yes, this is also something you both agree on, as he said that in his first post.

There is already a wall between 'left and right' creating two sides, you both stand on the same side, do not build a wall on that side also, creating more divisions. Come together and break down the wall that separates 'left and right' so we all can move forward together.

Peace my friend.
edit on 17-4-2011 by LifeIsEnergy because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 09:31 PM
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I wasn't a racist until I worked with 'them.'
Now, 'they' have to prove themselves to me before I give 'them' the time of day.

I thoroughly enjoy working with folks from South of the Border. But I despise illegals.
Though given the choice of sending 'them' back from whence they came or sending illegals back, I'd vote to keep the illegals.



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 11:26 PM
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Were we still debating about something????

I'm sorry... Its sunday... I went to my parents house and forgot to log on and show you all attention....
My Bad.....lol....
The Bar-B-Q was good by the way..... Heading to the beach tomorrow with my 2 white friends... I'll be sure to remind them that i'm racist... But I think they already know since I always take the last beer....

This is a RANT forum right...? Anyway... Goodnight folk

Stay Black!!!! lol

J/K



posted on Apr, 17 2011 @ 11:28 PM
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Originally posted by SirKnightE

I seriously feel you two have the largest issues with race on this thread..... Did a big black kid beat you up in school?


There were no black kids in my school. We didnt even THINK about black white racism while I was growing up. One, the blacks and whites were mostly military. Two in Hawaii, its the Hawaiian way, and we could really care less what the crazy mainlanders think, feel, or fight about. As far as I knew, growing up watching Sesame Street, all that stupid crap was over and done with. We had/have our own issues, and you flatter yourself that we even thought twice about the whole southern thing. We didnt.


Originally posted by SirKnightE
How can both you supposedly intelligent people take fractions of a sentence and come up with your own assumption.... You know what they say when you ASSuMe sh!t right.


Like you assuming about us?


Originally posted by SirKnightE
.All black people especially me and Obama is racist against whites


Obama is half white, which matters where he and I grew up, That whole "one drop" crap doesnt fly in Hawaii, you list them ALL. And, he was raised by the white half of his family. There isnt any "black culture" on Oahu, he grew up like I did, except in rich private schools in a ritzy part of the island. You dont know jack about his culture.


Originally posted by SirKnightE
To give people like you the chance to come clean...


There you go assuming again, based on your perception of "whites." Which is ...............racist.


Originally posted by SirKnightE
I came clean.... Its people like you two I seriously do not like...... I guess i'm racist, because I truly can not tolerate people that lie to themselves...


You dont know me. And you probably never will. Because you think that there is no such thing as whites who arent racist.
And I could care less if you like me or not, its a free country. Hate me all you want.
edit on 17-4-2011 by Illusionsaregrander because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 02:20 AM
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Well I was always brought up with "Treat People the way you like to be treated" seems to work for me...

That said, here we take everything with a pinch of salt and racism isn't really a big thing.....



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 04:25 AM
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I can't stand thugs and hoochie mama's

"n-word this" and "n-word that"...
Go ahead get in front of me in line at the 7-11 and pretend you didn't see me...I know u got husselin to do ...
pull your friggin pants up!
Wipe that dirty look off of your face.
Stop swearing, screaming, and pulling on your kids, who you also call the n-word!!
Love it when you roll into the welfare office wearing gold worth more than my car!!
Oh did we make eye contact? I smiled, you ... didn't.
Stop talking like a bunch of idiots.
Stop assuming people hate you because your black. Being black has nothing to do with it.



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 08:48 AM
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The funny thing about hate is that it is always the "Haters" problem. It doesn't matter what you hate, hate is your problem and stems from your own bias. If you worked on eliminating hate from your own world view, you would see that you are doing nothing more than despising other's for being themselves and not conforming to your own concept of right and proper in the world. Hate comes from the ego and is the ego's way of trying to control it's whole world. No man can control the whole world. It is not Man's place to control the whole world.

You will know you have mastered the process of eliminating hate from your heart when you can love even the haters. I have in my time defended even racists. They do have a right to formulate their world view and hating them in return for their hate only reinforces it. What do you do when someone gets self righteous with your own opinions? Don't you get defensive and build walls around it, defend it against each attack until you despise the person offering a different world view?

The secret to destroying hate in all of it's forms in this world is to always meet it with unconditional love. Accept it, love it, and the fear and misunderstandings which cause it will subside.

I remember one time I was riding with my dad through Baltimore and he happened to see some young black kids walking down the street with their pants riding low exposing their boxers underneath. He commented that someone should go yank them up for them and that we needed laws against such behavior. I chuckled.

I let the issue slip away for about 5 minutes as we drove through town. When it seemed the initial point he had made passed into oblivion, I looked over and said, You may want to buckle up, it is the law you know...

He despises wearing a seat belt, so he gave me that "What the hell" look and replied, "No man tells me what to do with my own damn body!". I chuckled again.

It took about 2 minutes for my point to set in, but he did eventually get it. He looked at me once more and said, "You know what, screw you!" jokingly of course.

Never again from that day did he comment about anothers dress. Quite the opposite, he raised my siblings with the freedom to express themselves how ever they chose.

Some times a little reflective rhetoric is all it takes to get one to see past their bias and realise that inside us all is a HUMAN BEING yearning to be free, but all the time it takes unconditional love. Our judgements are what stand in the way.

With Love,

Your Brother
edit on 18-4-2011 by IAMIAM because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by Fitch303
I'm racist and have no problems whatsoever when people call me one. I respect all races with the exception of blacks. Name one first rate black nation that leads in medicine, education, architecture, engineering, art or science in general.......
The only places in black Africa that have any sort of infrastructure/systems are former WHITE colonies. Look at any city in the US with a majority black population and notice how it leads in poverty, drugs, violence and welfare. Sorry but it's not coincidence. Black culture is a MASSIVE failure and it's a shame Liberia didn't turn out as expected.

In short it's not that I think whites are above everyone else it's that blacks (collectively and culturally) are below everyone else. The facts support my point of view.
edit on 16-4-2011 by Fitch303 because: (no reason given)


Why are these black cities like that? I assure you that it's not because blacks want it that way, but it is all they have ever known. The black population in America is like that because they have been made pawns of the progressive movement. They are told that if they vote democrat then the entitlements will keep coming, and they do but it is only enough to keep them voting Democrat. What blacks are really doing by voting Democrat is perpetuating the problem and keeping themselves in poverty. Another reason is due to the public education system. Considering that the majority of funding for public schools comes from property taxes it is no surprise that inner city schools are sub standard. There aren't very many property owners in the inner city; they all rent or live in gov't housing, so the schools in those districts must be subsidized. Another reason is the zoning of congressional districts. If you have never done so look up a map of your state and how it is zoned. The problems that you mention are real and I'm not disputing them, but black people need to wake up and take ownership of their culture and their lives, instead of relying on the government to support them. Of course there are plenty of blacks that don't fit in to this category, so if you are black and reading this then please forgive me if I am generalizing.

I can appreciate your honesty about being a racist, but it's real easy to be that honest on the internet, when you can hide behind your anonymity.
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posted on Apr, 18 2011 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by Fitch303
I'm racist and have no problems whatsoever when people call me one. I respect all races with the exception of blacks. Name one first rate black nation that leads in medicine, education, architecture, engineering, art or science in general.......
The only places in black Africa that have any sort of infrastructure/systems are former WHITE colonies. Look at any city in the US with a majority black population and notice how it leads in poverty, drugs, violence and welfare. Sorry but it's not coincidence. Black culture is a MASSIVE failure and it's a shame Liberia didn't turn out as expected.

In short it's not that I think whites are above everyone else it's that blacks (collectively and culturally) are below everyone else. The facts support my point of view.
edit on 16-4-2011 by Fitch303 because: (no reason given)



Fitch, You are the sh!t...(complement) I love you more than most the population on ATS... You are truthful and honest.
Your perception may not be 100% accurate but atleast you can honestly state how you feel.. If you are ever in the Houston area, we should go have a drink so you can express to me( a black man) in person fully how you feel. And I hope I could explain to you that what you feel about us is not always accurate.If not, atleast we could both get f*cked up, and bring home some woman to sodomize...lol, stay white my friend.



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 08:14 PM
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Anyone watch Survivor tonight? Prime example of how things get twisted.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 05:42 AM
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I was born color blind...i really dont know what to say or how to answer this thread.

I still dont know what color i am...never asked...and from the look of things in this society,i probaly never will !




posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 02:20 PM
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Just remember that MJ spent his whole life trying to be white. So obviously color identity meant a lot to him.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 04:42 PM
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Woah.
Fitch is really really racist , ignorant and just a horrible person in general.
Like a seriously terrible human being. I'm not just embarrassed to be on the same forum as him but to be apart ofthe same species as him. He really needs to read a book or something.



posted on Dec, 16 2011 @ 05:49 PM
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lol,i would love to reply lil dude,but it seems like all the people that were none- racist got banned, and the racist people are still here,see you on another thread with out all the hate, and unjust to my fellow posters for expressing thier opinions in a land in which freedom of speech is just a dream.






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posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 03:19 PM
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It's a bit like the History boards I noticed. :-( All we need to have is shopping cart mike4rest to show up and that would put the redneck cherry on top here on this vanilla whipped cream sundae.

edit on 17-12-2011 by LilDudeissocool because: cuz



posted on Dec, 17 2011 @ 05:18 PM
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I am drawn to people who make me feel comfortable in their presence; race has absolutely nothing to do with it. I detest the very subject of race and would be uninterested in closely associating with anyone who makes it an issue.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 01:05 PM
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I was thinking this very thought today.

Why are there so many racists on ATS?

Not even subtle racism either. Flat out in your face racism.

Makes me want to not be associated with the site anymore.



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