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The Roman Empire Collapsed Under the Weight of Illegal Immigration and Welfare...

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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by fredvcall
reply to post by 0001391
 


Have you noticed that the majority of Americans are getting just real tired of hearing poor people whine?


Actually i'm an American...proud of it.
And like a little cheese with my whine... thank you.





posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by fredvcall
reply to post by DINSTAAR
 


We haven't invaded Mexico in quite a while. Yet, all those illegals coming across the border? What gives with that?


Note: Update WE (America) as you speak are running guns into Mexico.
We'll be there soon.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 09:59 PM
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Let's diverge here....just for the hell of it.

History is NOT repeating itself.

Rome did not have the sophistication to use welfare to its best advantage. Ergo, welfare defeated Rome.

But America is another story. We know when you are cashing your welfare checks, and where. We know where you are spending your food stamps, and for what. We know where you are at most times.

Welfare keeps the poor imprisoned, and in view. If there's the slightest inclination that you poor welfare recipients want to create an Egyptian or Libyan style uprising, we'll be all over you like stink on brown.

Rome was defeated by welfare. America is defeating the rabble with welfare. There's a difference. History is NOT repeating itself.

Why, if Attila the Hun were around today, we'd have his barbaric little behind locked up in a FEMA camp before he could slice the vein of his horse, drink the blood and reattach the vein.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 10:01 PM
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While Ford and Government Motors are building their newly automated manufacturing plants in Mexico, yeah, we'll zap those little rat bustard Mexican Mafia types in no time. You really don't want to screw with the DEA when it comes to protecting the business interests of Ford and Government Motors.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 10:01 PM
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reply to post by fredvcall
 

No we would have Atilla in the Marine Corp
Hurrahh!



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 10:06 PM
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Black Ops. That or private security mercenary. Attila is a businessman. Wants more money than what the Marines are currently paying. And well worth every bloody penny paid to Attila. Can you visualize an entire encampment of Huns with M-4s?



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by fredvcall
reply to post by shtf2012
 




Black Ops. That or private security mercenary. Attila is a businessman. Wants more money than what the Marines are currently paying. And well worth every bloody penny paid to Attila. Can you visualize an entire encampment of Huns with M-4s?


Actually Atilla would turn as soon as he got into mexico and set up his own little fiefdom.
He would make the drug lords look like girl scouts.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 10:12 PM
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Did you ever stop to think that the DEA is already running the Mexican Mafia drug smuggling operations. To further keep the poor poor and dumbfounded. They don't call it dope for nothing.

The School of the Americas has been around a long, long time.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 10:15 PM
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Oh yeh, I know thats whats going on.
Divide and Conquer.
But we have to tie up some loose ends first.
There's oil down south.
And a new super highway being built to.
That'll make movement much faster.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by fredvcall
reply to post by galadofwarthethird
 


Look. You liberals have three replies that are getting redundant.

There was no welfare. Yes, there was. I supplied articles stating as much. Nobody reads anything. Everyone is a drone repeating the same thing.

There was no illegal immigration. Yes, there was. I supplied articles, etc.

The third redundancy everyone is beating to death is that you don't like the History Channel. Other than that, nobody is saying anything to back their comments.

So, why don't you all just give it up and close this discussion. You've all gone around in circles going nowhere.


Seriously, as someone who is currently at a very good university and who is learning about the Western world from three different perspectives - history, literature, and philosophy - and who has gone through the 'fall' of the Roman Empire extensively in terms of the art, the literature, the people, the history, the religion (as I am doing an Honors program that is focused on Western history) - I am simply appalled. Utterly, and simply appalled. I can't even believe this. I can't even believe that this sort of idiocy is allowed to be posted on ATS, and that people like you, OP, exist. Do you really think you're so smart? What university did you go to? What was your major? Where did you go to grad school? How many prestigious professors have you studied under? How many primary documents have you scoured and written essays about?

But no, you won't answer any of those questions. I already know you won't. You'll say something like, "Are you saying this because you're at university right now?" And in fact, I am. In my dorm, getting ready to start on some History homework about the Crusades and Christianity in Europe, and perhaps I will read some of my St. Augustine (you know, that Christian saint guy who influenced Christianity in Rome more than almost any other theologian ever) and I could even read some literature about Crusader Knights. You know, stuff that is very telling about the fall of the Roman Empire, The Eastern Roman Empire, The Carolingians, the Catholics... all those important people.

I am simply, utterly, appalled. I am 19 years old - by the order of the world, I should be a lot more ignorant than the OP. I thought I was supposed to learn from the wisdom of my elders, but this makes it clear that that's a horrible idea.

So please, OP, I beg you. Please stop giving America a bad name. Please stop giving HUMANITY a bad name, grow up, listen to those who know more than you, and by God, stop equating invasion with immigration and bribery with welfare. It doesn't matter how many times you say War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength, 2 + 2 = 5... what you are saying is SIMPLY NOT TRUE. Get a grip.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 10:39 PM
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Call me crazy yet I bet the OP is a conservative republican.

I guess some people do not realize how much power resides in Rome unless the history channel tells them and then they are certain of it!

Hah the Huns were the Illegal immigrants and the bribes were the welfare.... hilarious yet sad at the same time because the Op was serious and wants the reader to take the thought seriously.

Wait! The Colonists were the Illegal Immigrants and the food the natives fed them to help them through the winter was the welfare! Stupid Natives!!!

Mic check! Huh, hah!



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 10:44 PM
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also, The non centralized method of both living and fighting is very effective and may be the eventual downfall of ALL sedentary societies...

Attila, from what I have read, books I mean, was a genius, pure and simple yet sorry before you start.... I am not saying he was perfect.

What we have here is someone who would classify indigenous peoples as "barbarians" and/or "savages" and as far as I am concerned this means that they are not intelligent enough to defend themselves in an open debate thus I revert to speaking to them in the third person because frankly, to me anyways, they are not real.

Like a boot with no sole...



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 10:55 PM
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how the heck did this get from illegal immigration to wars in iraq lol



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by ZarbeMomin
how the heck did this get from illegal immigration to wars in iraq lol


It's a roller coaster ride man!
Hang on!
Wheeehhh!


Yes this has gone too far.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 11:12 PM
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I'd rather trust the first 400 names listed in the phone book than the history professors at the so-called best universities.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by ZarbeMomin
how the heck did this get from illegal immigration to wars in iraq lol


Obviously you missed the comments on ancient aliens.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 11:19 PM
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It seems all the OP can muster up is one snarky insult after another. Literally. And this is only from 3 pages.


Originally by fredvcell Welfare liberals socialists have no more power than maybe to throw a Molotov Cocktail or two.


Originally by fredvcellHave you noticed that the majority of Americans are getting just real tired of hearing poor people whine?


Originally by fredvcellI suppose all of you are suggesting going to the library because all of you are already at the library?


Originally by fredvcellI like your use of the word 'homework.' Has the feeling of, oh, I don't know...the prom?


Originally by fredvcellYou spent four years of college majoring in art appreciation?


Originally by fredvcellI'm sure the Roman people knew more about Caligula's early life than Americans know about Obama's.


Originally by fredvcellIf you think my knowledge is skewed, why are you asking me questions? Stop to think about that one.


Originally by fredvcellFail in the welfare liberal socialist public education system?


I guess it's because one doesn't have anything substantial to say? On the other hand, many people have shown, (and even referred the OP to a free online book) that there's much more to the fall of Rome than the Huns, that bribes and conquered people are not the same as welfare and immigrants...that the history channel doc doesn't even mention the words "welfare". Well it don't matter, some people's minds are already made up...and it's more about them feeling they have the only right answer and are superior to others (hence all the ad snarky insults), rather than trying to be open to the facts and reconsider one's opinion when evidence to the contrary is presented.

It is disturbing that someone could post so much misinformation, it's disturbing that some people actually believe bs like this...but it's a relief to see the absolute beat down these crazy ideas are getting here. Now I will wait and look forward to the ad hominem attack that I will most surely be getting in response to this post.

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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 11:21 PM
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Why is everyone so excited because I asked someone if they majored in art appreciation?



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 11:28 PM
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Originally posted by Ghost375
Those aren't the reasons Rome fell. And yes, you do need to do more research if all you're basing your claims are that one history channel show. Rome always gave "welfare" to people they conquered. That's how they were successful in building such a large empire in the first place. There are many reasons why Rome fell, the least of which is welfare.


Actually welfare is a reason why Rome fell. The Roman leaders gave their people generous welfare for that era. Bath houses, free food and what not. This made the citizens of the Italia province lazy. They fell behind the other provinces in terms of wealth generation(industry/economy).

So in order to keep Rome going the Romans had to levy high taxes from the provinces so they could afford welfare for the main province/Rome itself. Basically imagine if California had the right to tax other states while at the same time didn't tax Californians for anything. Now add in illegal immigration, corruption, massive lead poisoning and open revolts of said illegals;you kind of get the idea of what happened to the Roman Empire.

Towards the end of the Empire they had to institute a form of ancient communism in order for society to continue. It was called(or we refer to it as) Feudalism.
And we all know how well that went too.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by fredvcall
reply to post by meeneecat
 


Why is everyone so excited because I asked someone if they majored in art appreciation?


There is no such thing as an "art appreciation" major. It was presented as a snarky comment that had the effect of belittling the commenters credentials.



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