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The Roman Empire Collapsed Under the Weight of Illegal Immigration and Welfare...

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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by DevilJin
Oh c'mon now. Do a little more research than that. The fall of the Roman empire is way more complex than "welfare and illegal immigration". I had to do a paper on it in college. You should go to a library and read up on it - the fall of the Roman Empire is very interesting.


Welfare and sympathy for conquered nations got Caesar assassinated though


And let's be serious - this is Rome. 'Circenses et panem' has become 'Wonderbread and NASCAR' - you eat Caesar salads, he's worshiped in Church on Sunday..the Games live on in UFC and professional sports, War has spread 10x across the planet. What is a Caesarian but a division and subsequent conquering of the womb? Rome did not fall, it 'inverted' itself into a concept and "converted" the world, an idea which was promulgated and spread via torture, war and mind control for countless years. Render unto Caesar, eh?




posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by peck420
reply to post by Hopeforeveryone
 


Native Americans CAN'T have an issue with illegal immigration.

By their own admission they did not have a concept of land ownership, therefor there was no 'country' to illegaly immigrate to.

The Native Americans were conquered more so than washed away by 'illegal' immigration.



I was merely using the OP's logic - i'm pretty sure Attila the Hun wasn't an immigrant either.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 11:58 AM
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reply to post by jacobe001
 


That means you better get wealthy....or figure out a way to grow your own food. No sense sitting around moping and complaining that the wealthy have larger and better equipped bunkers already. You've got to do what you've got to do to survive the best you can, with the resources you have and the wit and wisdom God gave you.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 11:59 AM
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Attila the Hun was the Roman version of today's Mexican Mafia drug lord. Times change, while the human condition remains fairly constant over a two thousand year span.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:01 PM
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reply to post by jimmyx
 


How is it with liberals that Fox News gets mentioned in a discussion about the Roman Empire?



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:01 PM
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reply to post by fredvcall
 


You have got to be kidding. There is absolutely no comparison at all. It would be like comparing running a red light to genocide.

Good Grief!



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:03 PM
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reply to post by fredvcall
 


Is this a thread about the Roman Empire or about current social problems in America? I'm getting confused.

One thing for certain... your knowledge about the history of the Roman Empire is seriously skewed.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by felonius
reply to post by fredvcall
 


While the "welfare" angle is a part of it all, its not the complete problem.

General corruption, weak leadership, and overspending, exterior military forces growing, over extended military, non-indigenous personell in military forces.



Yeah, we've got that picture of Washington: weak and corrupt leadership. What goes around, comes around from Rome. No argument there. Though I'm sure Caligula was a lot more imaginative than Obama, its the voters who remain clueless. Well, Caligula wasn't voted in. He killed those ahead of him in the line of succession. Far as I know, Obama has never personally killed anyone. But, then again, with Obama....who the hell knows what went on in his life before he suddenly emerged in the Illinois senate from out of nowhere? I'm sure the Roman people knew more about Caligula's early life than Americans know about Obama's.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:05 PM
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If you think my knowledge is skewed, why are you asking me questions? Stop to think about that one.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:08 PM
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Will US repeat the welfare death of the Roman Empire?


Are we heading towards the same destiny that hit the Roman Empire only a few hundred years after Jesus Christ was born?

The US government's socialization of free enterprise, like the health care sector, is made on a morally corrupt and rotten ideology.

www.bigbenventure.com...



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:10 PM
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I'm only asking one question: Is this thread about the Roman Empire or the current social problems in America?

I'm up on the first, but not interested much in the second.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:10 PM
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At the time Julius Caesar seizure of power (49 BC) the number of people living on social welfare assis-tance had increased to a staggering 320.000, in a city with 1 million inhabitants. Publius Clodius Pulcher abolished the charge in 58 BC, and began distributing the grain for free. The result was a sharp increase in the influx of rural poor into Rome, as well as the freeing of many slaves so that they too would qualify for the dole. Ceasar man-aged later to introduce a means test that squeezed down the social welfare population to 150.000.
www.bigbenventure.com...



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:12 PM
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None of the emperors, not even Caesar or Au-gustus, dared to circumscribe the Roman's welfare privileges. Indeed they had access to the Praetorian Guard having power to crush any insurrection. However, they preferred to be generous and to keep the crowd in a good mood. They wanted to be greeted with enthusiasm by the crowd of people at the public celebrations and entertainments. Ova-tions and cheers was sweet music for the emperors that they where willing to pay a very high price for.

www.bigbenventure.com...

Pretty much sounds like Obama and his slavering followers.
edit on 16-4-2011 by fredvcall because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:13 PM
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Power hungry ego maniac reptiles dont learn. Being super intelligent has its flaws. Maybe it will work this time if we do this. Many of you do the same thing each time you vote. Be more ape like quit shaving your body...grow your hair,,, quit being so ritualistic with your schedules..do a different routine everyday...try to stay away from technologies or cut 75 percent of it from your lives



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:15 PM
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Illegal Immigration Led To The Fall Of The Roman Empire
September 13, 2008 | 23 Comments
German immigrants drove the government of the Late Western Roman Empire into penury and extinction. Are Mexican and other immigrants from the third world likely to send the government of the American Republic to a similar fate? And is the United States of America the only western nation facing such a demise? The answers are maybe and no, respectively.

www.worldhistory.org...



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by fredvcall
reply to post by superluminal11
 


Illegal Immigration Led To The Fall Of The Roman Empire
September 13, 2008 | 23 Comments
German immigrants drove the government of the Late Western Roman Empire into penury and extinction. Are Mexican and other immigrants from the third world likely to send the government of the American Republic to a similar fate? And is the United States of America the only western nation facing such a demise? The answers are maybe and no, respectively.

www.worldhistory.org...


Either you are hell bent on on letting out a rant on illegal immigration, or you failed miserably in your history class when you were in school LOL. Rome's fall was mainly military, yes the immigration was part of it, but not the main reason and certainly not the welfare either. As the first poster to this thread stated you need to go to the library and read up on the fall of Rome and if you have any good sense of reason, you will come to realize the main aspect of the many apects of the fall of rome was military, not a social aspect like your title states. Illegal immigration and welfare blah, blah, blah LOL it was nice for a good chuckle though..,



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 01:57 PM
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Oh, PUUUUHHHHLEEEZZEEE....Fail in the welfare liberal socialist public education system?



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 03:28 PM
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Rome didn't fall while the Hunnic Empire existed, so that's quite an impossibility.. The Hunnic Empire only had 2 kings, Aittilas sons were defeated by unified Germanic tribes a year after his death.

Also there were two Roman Empires at the time of Attila, East and West. The Huns raided the Eastern Empire and sieged Constantinople. but only made it to the outskirts of the West militarily.

Rome was sacked by the Visigoths, Vandals and Ostrogoths.

The Roman Empire fell because it expanded over such a massive territory, limitations in communication lead to a weakened centralized power, and internal political strife eventually lead to rebellions and uprisings, unable to control their military this lead to Rome being sacked.

There is a massive difference between illegal immigration and the Hunnic Empire rampaging towns, raising villages, raping and plundering. Also, the History channel sucks when it comes to History. Ironic, I know.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 03:38 PM
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reply to post by Hopeforeveryone
 


Sorry about that, I completely missed that.


/reply

To the op, illegal immigrant today, tax paying citizen tomorrow...well their children anyways.

If people are so desperate to get into the US, why not stream line the sytem and let them in? it does nothing but bolster US tax base, and provide a strong consumer base for the future.

Your government (and people to some extent) should be doing everything they can to help educate and integrate these 'illegals' as fast as possible. it will just make a stronger USA for your children.

Now onto the welfare bit. If you turned the 'illegal' into a tax paying citizen, they would easily offset any extra welfare payments with the increas in tax base...this is really a win-win for the US.

The only real issue with 'illegals' is a political one, and it is one which the populace of the US appears to let their politco's use, much to the detriment of the US as a whole.

Keep in mind that my view is shaped alot by the fact that I live in a country that needs to triple it's population at a minimum.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 05:12 PM
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does:"oh for Christ's sake" cover it?
The immature haters of the world really need to get over themselves...yes yes every conquering people were illegal immigrants. Perhaps one could look towards sexual improprieties, sexism, slavery and excess as the fall of Rome...making them soft and vulnerable to attack from the very people they conquered and enslaved. Gimme a &*&^%$$^&* break, ignorance is definitely not denied here.



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