Comet Elenin and NASA's Shutdown: The REAL Cover-up?

phantomjack wrote a GREAT post on Bob Sholtz's thread called Inside info on comet Elenin (yes, you're being lied to).

phantomjack says (more or less), that NASA shut down the International Space Station and shuttle program because Elenin's debris probably will decimate the ISS along with the Earth.

Which got me to thinking.

What if the whole Comet Elenin scare is a cover-up because the builders cut too many corners, compromising the station's structural integrity and safety?

Not like that would be anything new: Corrupt builders cause 83% calamity deaths worldwide.

do you have any evidence to support your claims? people won't really pay much attention unless you include something specific. Im sure people who built the space station have much more training than the average construction worker, and Im also pretty sure that they would check the progress multiple times on the building of a structure such as the space station

reply to post by soficrow


Dont get me wrong, I'm all for out of the box thinking but..... Jeeezzz!
Thats outta the ballpark.

Below is from Sky and Telescopes online magazine as of 15 minutes ago . High noon , April 15th . This is the most highly respected worldwide astronomy publication there is .
www.skyandtelescope.com...

Last December, comet-lovers got a bit of an adrenaline rush when they learned that a new object, Comet Elenin (C/2010 X1), might reach naked-eye brightness a week or so after it reaches perihelion on September 10th.

It's still early in the game, but reports from visual and photographic observers over the past few weeks have tempered expectations somewhat.

Those looking for Comet Elenin by eye have found it elusive. Only two observers — Jakub Koukal, using a 9½-inch (24-cm) reflector in the Czech Republic; and Juan José González Suárez, using an 8-inch Schmidt-Cassegrain in Spain — feel certain they glimpsed it by eye in early April. But it was a no-show for comet-hunter Alan Hale, who had a larger telescope at a pitch-black site 7200 feet (2200 m) up.

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So. What your saying is the this highly respected online magazine says nothing to worry about means nothing to worry about. The kool aid tastes great today then. How many highly respected magazines have fed us bull for the last 10 or so years. More disinformation especially for the star gazers. Keep looking folks you will eventually see the truth.

reply to post by bulletproof_monk

do you have any evidence to support your claims?

A) I didn't make any claims, just asked the question; and b) a simple Google search brings back over 1 million results.

+"space station" +construction +problem - About 1,100,000 results

Here's a quick sample:

Since construction started, the International Space Station programme has had to deal with several Major incidents, unexpected problems and failures. These incidents have affected the assembly timeline, led to periods of reduced capabilities of the station and in some cases could have forced the crew to abandon the space station for safety reasons…

Ouch! Solar panel ripped on space station: Astronauts stop unfurling array; damage could delay construction plan

Astro nauts continue high-stakes construction as NASA analyzes space station problem
Astronauts plowed ahead Monday with the mammoth job of moving a 17- 1/2-ton beam on the international space station, a task made even more crucial following the discovery of debris in an important part of the orbiting lab's power system. …A spacewalking astronaut on Sunday found metal shavings inside a joint that is needed to turn a set of solar power panels. Astronauts used a magnet to determine the shavings were metallic.

NASA is resuming shuttle flights to the International Space Station despite a known problem that could trigger the loss of both spacecraft and their crews, a risk deemed unacceptable by an agency safety panel.

Radiation and the International Space Station: Recommendations to Reduce Risk (2000)
…The problem is serious. Over the past 20 years, radiation effects have caused between one and two satellites per year on average to suffer total or partial mission loss.1 Satellites at low latitudes in low Earth orbit (LEO) stay relatively safe by ducking the intense heart of the radiation belts higher up. But at higher altitudes and higher latitudes, where Earth's radiation belts reside and radiation from solar storms invades, radiation hazard cannot be ignored.

Computer woes strike space station
The International Space Station was rocked by hours of computer communications trouble Thursday, the latest problem the first space shuttle mission of the year has faced after a thermal blanket tear.

Oops! Space station’s new room has a problem
Insulating cover doesn’t fit; snag may delay observation deck’s installation.

International Space Station: mission to install new observation deck aborted
Astronauts at the International Space Station have been forced to abort their mission to install a new observation deck.

THE SPACE STATION AS A DEEP SPACE EXPLORATION PLATFORM?
…According to the ideas being bandied around, the ISS could become a spaceship construction yard of sorts, building vehicles to make trips to the moon (for what purpose, it's not yet clear) and eventually form the backbone of a deep space exploration research infrastructure. … There is one huge issue with re-purposing the ISS, however. It was never designed to be a low-Earth orbit construction facility. … we now have a near-completed space station with six crew members able to carry out around 70 hours of science per week. Construction has taken a decade, the scientific benefits of having this orbital outpost may take some time to see the light of day.

And one of my all-time favorites, a step-by-step guide for corporations to avoid liability in space:

Galactic Mining Industries, Inc.
Space Law and Liability concerns for space society deployed to out of this world locations:

Space Law:

Space society will begin with the deployment of the first space stations with gravity. There are many considerations involved in establishing law in space. United Societies In Space is an organization founded by Declan O’Donnell. Declan has gathered together leaders in space law and policy. To see the space law concepts of USIS – go to www.space-law.org...

Employer Liability:

Employer liability issues need to be addressed. Issues such as crew health, crew rescue, tort law, and other considerations need to be considered. Three treaties address responsibilities of countries and organizations which carry on extraterrestrial operations. …

The Space Governance Model:

There is a legal theory that in the venue of outer space every “station” is really a “nation.” The premise is that there are no physical, historical, or legal boundaries so a small government would have larger meaning.

Im sure people who built the space station have much more training than the average construction worker

Erm. The "construction workers" do NOT make the decisions. They do NOT choose the materials, oversee design or have any responsibilities for quality control.

The ISS is a corporate-government project, and international law demands that corporations put profit first and foremost. If "human safety" loses out, so be it. Under law.

Im also pretty sure that they would check the progress multiple times on the building of a structure such as the space station

Just like they do on nuclear reactors? Built on fault lines?

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So, instead we should listen to the woman that talks with aliens and is essentially a con artist? It's a tough choice but in this case I'm going to go with the experts over the crazy fraud.

reply to post by Xcalibur254


Erm - did you read the OP? Here's the hypothesis:

What if the whole Comet Elenin scare is a cover-up because the builders cut too many corners, compromising the station's structural integrity and safety?

Not like that would be anything new: Corrupt builders cause 83% calamity deaths worldwide.




...This thread presents an alternative to the very commendable work done by phantomjack and Bob Sholtz.

Originally posted by Sherlock2009
reply to post by soficrow

 

Dont get me wrong, I'm all for out of the box thinking but..... Jeeezzz!
Thats outta the ballpark.

Not really, if you give it some thought and evaluate the facts from a larger perspective, taking into account the well-known and historical effects of the international corporate law mandating "profits first, before ALL other considerations."

reply to post by soficrow


I was referring to the person that was responding to the post about the article on Elenin. They said we shouldn't believe the experts. However, the original source for all of this Elenin nonsense is Laura Knight-Jadczyk, a known fraud that claims to be in contact with aliens. Not exactly the most reputable source.

There has been at least two space probes that passed through the tails of comets. They were undamaged as i recall. Certainly not destroyed at any rate.

Is there any end these ignorant threads where the OP knows nothing about what the facts of what they post?

Originally posted by Aliensun
There has been at least two space probes that passed through the tails of comets. They were undamaged as i recall. Certainly not destroyed at any rate.

Is there any end these ignorant threads where the OP knows nothing about what the facts of what they post?

Is there any end to ignorant posters who do not even read the OP?

For your edification, here's the hypothesis presented in the OP:

What if the whole Comet Elenin scare is a cover-up because the builders cut too many corners, compromising the station's structural integrity and safety?

Not like that would be anything new: Corrupt builders cause 83% calamity deaths worldwide.



And fyi - this is the Skunk Works forum.