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Shock employment figures: Fewer than 46% of Americans have jobs

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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 09:54 AM
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Here's an idea..........let's outlaw ALL subsidies, period. Most of these subsidies are very archaiec, out-dated, and throwing huge amounts of our tax dollars to big corporations that have ruined the smaller businesses and farmers that don't have the "umbrella" protection of the big corporations (refusing to sell themselves (at slave prices to boot) and their freedom of choice down the river, true Americans). And the kicker, these subsidized big corporations don't need the help anymore! They've managed to pillage and devour,(to riches and fortunes untold), the common people and businesses with our tax money WE gave them!

And get rid of the law that says big businesses have to protect the interest of its stockholders, first and foremost, over anything else, including worker's health, welfare, rights, environment, American economy, the well-being of our own citizens.....

These are TWO of the biggest evils destroying America today,yet nobody seems to be talking about them!!!




posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 09:55 AM
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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by airspoon

America doesn't have a free market, though the "free-market" buzz word is often falsely used. Instead, the government often shows extreme favoritism in industry through regulation and legislation. The government will never step aside and allow a free and decentralized market to take shape, as the corrupt elite would no longer be able to keep their fingers in the till and their hands on the control strings. With a free-market, it is the consumer and hard-worker who wins and I'm affraid that doesn't look too enticing to TPTB. After all, free markets are an extreme danger to the status quo.


--airspoon



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by LargeFries
reply to post by airspoon
 


airspoon I enjoyed reading both your posts, they are articulate and communicate well. You used a term I am not familiar with: "Republocrat statist". If you have a moment, would you reply with a definition of this term? I thank you in advance.



"Republocrat" is a play on both "Republican" and "Democrat" to note that both parties are basically the same. Both parties are only two different sides to the same coin, even though they pretend to be in opposition to each other. I believe that there is an active illusion to make us believe that we have an opposition in this country, to which we don't. Neither party serves the interest of the people and instead, both parties serve the elite.

They dangle relatively unimportant issues in front of us like prayer in schools or abortions (to name only two), while they are in complete agreement on the issues that are really important... the issues that are bankrupting us and sending our heroes to die for an empire that serves only the elite. As long as they oppose each other on the emotional issues like religion and race, they can publicly ignore the dire and detrimental issues like central banking systems and Keynesian economics so that nobody will see how the public is being fleeced and the government is part of that fleecing. The truth of the matter is that we have no major opposition movement here in America and that is dangerous for any so-called free Republic.

As far as statism:

Statism (or etatism) is an ideology advocating the use of states to achieve goals, both economic and social. ...
Source: en.wikipedia.org...

The sad truth of the matter is that the majority of American politicians are more statist than left or right. Here in America (as well as abroad), we are under an illusion that the political spectrum in only one dimensional, either left or right. However, that is hardly accurate. We can add another dimension to the political spectrum, say "up" and "down". So you have "left - right" being for economic freedom, and "up - down" being for personal freedom. Then arrange that into a two dimensional diamond for reference. This is called a "Nolan Chart".

Hitler and Stalin would be at the bottom corner (statism). Thomas Jefferson would be at the top corner with Dr. Ron Paul just below him and a little to the right.

When you can only see the political spectrum in one dimension, "left - right", our politicians appear to be vastly different, however when you add another dimension, such as "up - down", it becomes more than clear that the majority of our politicians are very close in their political ideologies and that is because they are statists.

Nolan Chart for reference:



Statism would be at the bottom of this diamond, along with the majority of American politicians. This is the meaning behind my terming of "Republicrat statists".


--airspoon



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 10:06 AM
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Surely that can't be true. In the UK, if it goes over 3%, all hell breaks loose. No economy can fund that many people for long.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 10:15 AM
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This is what comes of apathy and ignorance: a government that is controlled by organized crime syndicates.
Government should not be in the insurance business, or medicine, or charity, or 90% of what they do now.
You see the results.

If a private business causes harm it can be sued. If the government causes harm, to whom can you turn for justice? Government? As long as government is allowed to squeeze the productive portion of the economy in order to fund the unproductive bit, recovery is not possible. It is a serpent devouring its own tail.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 01:53 PM
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i found this out a long time ago half the country works the other half doesn't

one half finances the other half.

for people blaming free trade for the decline in jobs in this country you are misplacing the blame:

jobs leave this country for a myraid of reasons:

1. taxes
2. regulations
3. unions
4. people.

business goes to where the money is as well the most over looked of job loss is people and education plays a factors there.

the government is exactly who to blame here but its also the people who keep electing them to country the destruction on everyone in this country.

the sheer ease of gettting on the government dime has become too easy there are thousands if not millions of people who are on it that do not need to be on it and all the while the government keeps adding more and more people under their thumb and the non stop slaughter of anyone who doesn't depend on the government.


this country is on the precipice of death and theres nowhere to go but down because people will not open their eyes.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 03:24 PM
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Let's break down the numbers. It has been a while since I evaluated this, but basically, 20% of the population is children under the age of 18, another 20% are retirees, so that leaves roughly 60% of the population of working age. Fewer than 46% of the the population working means our unemployment numbers are around 14%, and this is still lower than the real number, because a significant number of kids under 18, and retirees over 65 are working, and counted as among the working, along with a lot of people working part time jobs, and more than one job. Our real unemployment numbers are probably around 20% or higher.

The biggest problem is productivity. We need fewer and fewer people to produce all the goods and services that can be consumed. They deal with this problem in Europe by sharing jobs. People work short weeks, and take lots of vacation time.

Here in the U.S. we are going the opposite route, with fewer people working longer hours, while the rich make all the money and get all the wealth gains. That is your free market con job in action.

Without sharing the jobs, and with most of the money going to the super rich, the problem then becomes one of diminishing demand. People who are not earning income, can not afford to buy anything, so demand drops. If only a few people have any money, then you can't sell anything, and the economy spirals downward. To deal with this problem, what we have done in the U.S. is create massive amounts of debt. This is burning the raft underneath you to keep alive. You stay afloat, but it is only a matter of time before you have nothing else to float on.

The bigger problem is that so many people have bought into the con job of the free market. It does not exist, it is idealistic nonsense. Under free market principles, all of our income tax money has essentially been given to the banker elites, who in turn grew more powerful, and leveraged greater control over our government. Thus, they have rigged the system against the middle class, eroding our rights, stealing our wealth, shipped our jobs overseas, and further more flooded us with immigrants to further decrease wages.

The other side of the coin, however, is that the super rich bankers, in buggering the middle class, have also buggered themselves, because most of their wealth depends on healthy markets, which they have destroyed with their own greed.

Middle class people who bought the free market con job are waking up to the reality that it is the bankers who buggered them, more so than the government. They just haven't succeeded in connecting the dots, that it was so called free market policies that enabled this to happen.

How do we fix this? Put a WW II effort into rebuilding our countries infrastructure, incorporating new technology to greatly improve efficiency. Start job sharing, working shorter work weeks and taking more vacations to enjoy the great increases in productivity that technology has brought us. Tax the super rich, $100M plus net worth, to pay for the huge national debt, which mainly went into the pockets of the super rich in the first place. We were in far greater debt after WW II than we are now, and we got out of debt by making the super rich pay in proportion to the wealth they enjoy, and that is how it should be. Most of what the federal government does, supports the super rich anyway. We also need to start demanding fair trade treaties that don't rob the middle class to enrich the the super rich around the globe.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 03:33 PM
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As has been pointed out twice already...

This number include everyone from Infants to the retired.

That means when a population increases (babies are born) or people live longer this stat will increase.

I guess what I am asking is...why didn't you mention this in your OP rather than falsely trying to portray something else?

ATS should be a retreat from BS...not a celebration of it.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by backinblack
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Good points but you ignore the millions of illegal immigrants..
Mind you, the statistics probably ignore them also.


Recently ICE has deported thousands of illegals from different companies. There are now thousands of legal citizens working those jobs. If more companies were held accountable, there would be even more jobs for the un-employed.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 06:07 PM
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Myohmy, that IS a shock.

...Maybe shut down all the unions so more people can work for less money? And we can compete on an equal footing with Taiwan and Indonesia?

Not sure.


Great catch. S&F&



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 06:20 PM
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Just to play devil's advocate, you have to keep in mind there are people like me out there. I own my own company but am not an employee. I don't have a "regular" salary, I don't pay workman's comp insurance on myself. So technically I'm "unemployed." However, I show up for work everyday and work my 9, 10, 11 ....until I'm done hours.

So technically I'm in the statistics as being unemployed even though I have a job.

There are a lot of people out there that get paid "under the table" as well. So they technically don't count as being employed.

Not to say that things out there aren't bad. Last year I had 4 employees. This year I have two. I'm not planning on replacing the other two.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 06:34 PM
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And once again, rawstory proves how worthless it is...

We certainly do have an unemployment problem, but to say that less than 46% of Americans are employed is meaningless without context. The reason that this is happening is because the percentage of Americans who are of retirement age is increasing rapidly. Our population is aging, just as those of most western democracies are. Because of this, the percentage of employed Americans is likely to continue decreasing over the next few decades, at the very least, regardless of the true health of the economy and the employment picture.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
Here in the U.S. we are going the opposite route, with fewer people working longer hours, while the rich make all the money and get all the wealth gains. That is your free market con job in action.
.......

The other side of the coin, however, is that the super rich bankers, in buggering the middle class, have also buggered themselves, because most of their wealth depends on healthy markets, which they have destroyed with their own greed.
........

How do we fix this? Put a WW II effort into rebuilding our countries infrastructure, incorporating new technology to greatly improve efficiency. Start job sharing, working shorter work weeks and taking more vacations to enjoy the great increases in productivity that technology has brought us. Tax the super rich, $100M plus net worth, to pay for the huge national debt, which mainly went into the pockets of the super rich in the first place. We were in far greater debt after WW II than we are now, and we got out of debt by making the super rich pay in proportion to the wealth they enjoy, and that is how it should be. Most of what the federal government does, supports the super rich anyway. We also need to start demanding fair trade treaties that don't rob the middle class to enrich the the super rich around the globe.


...sadly so true....but


Do the multinationsls even care about the American consumer now anyway, what with global markets?

Yes, other administrations turned to taxes to pay for their wars. The trillions of $ costs of both Iraq and Afghan wars were kicked down the road, to let future generations pay. Why were people not screaming then about how the wars would be paid for?? Why did the GOP give Big Pharma tax $ for Medicare D and not pay for it?? Seems the very same group that spent tax revenue without a way to replace it has the spending problem.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 08:29 PM
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We wouldn't need to cut social programs and raise the retirement age if the people would just get their heads out of their asses long enough to SEE what we can save by bringing our troops home!

Stop funding these bull# wars and bring the money back home!



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 08:31 PM
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How about abolishing work altogether?

I would prefer to not have to work ever again. I could barter and grow my own food/make my own products.

I'm sick of this broken system. We are literally working for NOTHING!



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 08:37 PM
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Agreed. The LAST thing corporate America wants is a "free market." That would make all the years of buying politicians and laws and union breaking just pointless.

What the words "free market" mean when you see them on TV are, "a market in which the rich can do whatever the heck they want and everyone else is regulated like crazy."

Most people who chant "free market" wouldnt know one if it bit them on the butt.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 10:42 PM
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Back to trading, the old way, before the moneylenders took over the temples and created the monetary system.

btw - "...Maybe shut down all the unions so more people can work for less money? And we can compete on an equal footing with Taiwan and Indonesia? "

It's obvious this was a joke, right? ...or is cognitive dissonance just acceptable now?



edit on 15/4/11 by soficrow because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
America needs jobs and lots of them, the government should just get out of the way. A free market will create jobs, bureaucrats won’t and they haven't, they have actually made less jobs.


You Libertarians really make me laugh!
You think the problem is what you call the 'Gummint', when it's really business that's caused all this crap!

You're all backing the wrong horse.

How can a single mother on minimum wage for instance, save anything for her retirement? Free markets destroy jobs as we're finding here in New Zealand, where our unemployment level is creeping up towards being as high as yours, after nearly 3 years of a Right Wing government. Under our previous socialist government, unemployment had dropped like a stone.



posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 04:13 PM
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Anyone who wants to blame liberals for government debt, when almost all of those trillions of dollars of debt were created under conservative republican admins, a great deal of it when repubs controlled both houses and the exec branch, is completely delusional.

Everytime I hear people blame Obama for our national debt, all I can think, is what a moron. It is under repub admins that our economy has suffered, unemployment has ran high, and the flood gate for illegal immigrants from third world countries has been opened wide.

At least Obama is taking steps in the right direction by cracking down on the employers of illegals, and pursuing charges against the white collar crooks.

If they get another repub in the white house, the first thing they will do is shut down those efforts, which is exactly what GW did when he took office.




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