reply to post by john_bmth
Originally posted by john_bmth
reply to post by Serafine
Cell death and growth is not evidence of a spirit at all, how have you even come to this conclusion? If I replace the parts of my car frequently due
to wear and tear, does that mean it has a spirit too?
I think I understand the points you are making, but I don't see them fitting. I did not claim or make a premise or conclusion as you presented.
Cell death and growth is not evidence of a spirit at all, how have you even come to this conclusion?
I was pointing out that the statement / post made by
sirnex, is in error. He was commenting on a post by
newcovenant
Originally posted by Serafine
reply to post by sirnex
That is not a Myth man.... Didn't you research this before you scoffed? It's the cells that are most all less then 7 years old at any given time...
The Majority of all cells in the body. "Science"... biology has found that this is valid... There are some cells that they've not quite figured are
the same in the body.... But as it stands, most all our body is less than 7 years old.
Here this may help...
Your Body Is Younger Than You Think
newcovenant post...
Originally posted by newcovenant
Here is a different view from another man who takes this as evidence of a soul.
www.planetwisdom.com...
First, the physical atoms of the body are almost entirely replaced every seven years. Apart from a few aspects of our neurological system, the
physical components of your body are continuously being regenerated. Thus, if you were solely your body, your identity would be constantly
fluctuating. But practically and legally speaking, we know this is not true. In fact, our entire legal system is based upon sameness of identity over
time. If you were just your body, then you couldn't be held accountable for a crime you committed in the past. Can you imagine a defendant saying to
the judge, "It wasn't me! The person who committed that crime disappeared a long time ago." No reasonable judge would accept such a defense. There
must be something non-physical that accounts for sameness of identity over time. The soul is the best explanation.
The it's a Myth / not a Myth dance.... about every cell in the body renewing every seven years. Sirnex claims it's a myth. The issue was the body
renewing ( not that it's evidence for a soul ). How can it even be considered "evidence" for a soul, if not accepted as even half valid by Sirnex?
Sirnex is claiming there's no evidence for the body renewing, the point posted through Newcovenant.
Originally posted by Serafine
This has long been something most "evolution / anti intelligent design" people have ignored and omitted. The post is accurate in consideration....
Think about what that post is saying.
Notice I didn't claim the post is accurate in CONCLUSION .... I stated "consideration".
Originally posted by john_bmth
If I replace the parts of my car frequently due to wear and tear, does that mean it has a spirit too?
This is an apple and orange number... Yes they are BOTH fruit, but two different things. A Car is NOT animated or "alive". Replace all the parts
completely and you still have an inanimate car. Now the DRIVER of the car is an excellent example of the point initially provided by Newcovenant.
If the car is taken for the BODY and the driver is taken for the ENTITY.... Your point will stand as an example of what was meant. Replacing all the
car parts yet the driver remains.... A body being "new" every 7 years in a PHYSICAL sense, yet the entity remaining in the body.
This opens up much to "consider"... To investigate... How does it all function? How does it work? What is the model now? how is the model changing,
regarding understanding and comprehension? on and on...
This is for philosophers... various "science" fields and even investigative journalist and academic "researchers" to consider. The waste of time
defending logical fallacies, such as God doesn't exist... or creation never happened ( knowing full well "creation" did happen and happens, just a
matter of HOW ), or what? No "evidence" of intellgent design? What has such errors in thinking have to do with "seeking the truth"?
This is all a brilliant and wondrous endeavor to investigate... Yes! considering what is learned and CONSIDERING what is NOT known, is part and parcel
of such work. The understanding of biology is rather small compared with what research is TRYING to understand. The FACT that an entity has affect on
their bodies... The FACT that will can outright design the body over time, including "evidence" or NEW Understanding that DNA is being changed in
living bodies, not only by environment but by the WILL. These factors and much more need to be considered.
You asked about evidence of "spirit"... How is spirit defined? What about will? How about ideas or ideals or love? how about an entities MIND? Any
serious research into various sciences will reveal, it's NOT KNOWN. Some try to claim Love is a chemical and a series of "reactions" including
Hormones.... As if an understanding of the human body is THAT extensive.. lol
Such claims are Theories and not only that... Philosophy of those holding the theories. The "science" and scientific method ... or any method, does
NOT "prove" the conclusion. Showing a physical reaction concerning any such point doesn't prove what is the cause and what the effect.
So even among "Scientists"... from biologists to philosophers.... The claims are a matter of theories and philosophies and NOT "proof". Any
researcher seeking "evidence" of spirit can NOT claim "No Spirit" because they haven't found one. That would not be Valid research. There's
already "evidence" a body can be designed by the will of the entity in the body i.e. a guitar player designing the body through "playing". This is
evidence of intelligent design.
Granted as I mentioned in a post in this thread... it's Co-Creation and NOT CREATION. Man has never created anything and can't do it. Man can only
co-create with that already created... a co-creation.
If you are interested in evidence of spirit, try applying a scientific method, if you are inclined to that philosophy, to death... to will, to the
mind, to the nature of ideas and ideals.. to the essence of "what is the self"? Who and What is the entity in a body? on and on... even psychic
phenomena... or in academic terms... Parapsychology will be a worthy work, for such a quest.
Some consider many of these things scientific or the realm of philosophies etc etc... But the Seeking for Truth... for learning, understanding and
comprehension can use EVERYTHING to learn. Imagine that the "scientific method" is PHILOSOPHY... Logic is PHILOSOPHY... it's much like Descartes (
Father of Modern Philosophy ) claiming "I Think, Hence I AM"...... try this conclusion..... "I AM, Hence I Think"
Post Script: Psychic means ... Pertaining to soul
