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Inside info on comet Elenin (yes, you're being lied to)

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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:20 PM
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Well asteroids are next in line for the fear propaganda.

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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:20 PM
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reply to post by nataylor
 


yes, i tried to find that article elsewhere, but couldn't.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by CaptChaos
Rockefellers heading to Tibet, Chinese and Russians building hundreds of underground bases on rush schedules, well these all point at SOMETHING wicked this way comes


Any reliable sources to support these claims?



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:21 PM
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I don't see any reason why I shouldn't believe you. The government lies about everything anyway. Even when the truth sounds better...they still lie. If they say something, I automatically start searching for another answer from another source, and I am usually right in doing so. It's funny that most politicians are so comfortable with lying that they do it hundreds and hundreds of times, almost as if they were American lawyers. Hmmm, What was Obama's job before he got into politics? I think I know already. As far as Bush is concerned, he was nothing more than an idiot, bullying child who just didn't have any good answers because he wasn't smart enough to come up with any.....so he lied because it was easier than thinking.

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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:24 PM
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You are talking, in this post, about the physical STRUCTURE of the Sun, and various temperatures in the photosphere, corona and other layers, etc. There are still as yet unkown mechanisma to account for the temperatures....this is why it is so interesting. But, reputable scientists scoff at the "Electric" model as a viable alternate "theory" to nuclear fusion!


Coronal heating problem
The optical surface of the Sun (the photosphere) is known to have a temperature of approximately 6,000 K. Above it lies the solar corona, rising to a temperature of 1,000,000–2,000,000 K. The high temperature of the corona shows that it is heated by something other than direct heat conduction from the photosphere.

It is thought that the energy necessary to heat the corona is provided by turbulent motion in the convection zone below the photosphere, and two main mechanisms have been proposed to explain coronal heating. The first is wave heating, in which sound, gravitational or magnetohydrodynamic waves are produced by turbulence in the convection zone. These waves travel upward and dissipate in the corona, depositing their energy in the ambient gas in the form of heat. The other is magnetic heating, in which magnetic energy is continuously built up by photospheric motion and released through magnetic reconnection in the form of large solar flares and myriad similar but smaller events—nanoflares.[


en.wikipedia.org...


In the OTHER post you tried to indicate that objects millions of miles away would ALSO encounter increased heat.....your post left that false impression.

The study of the nature of a star, and its various temperatures in its layers, and its structure are just being (conveniently) mis-interpreted by a few fringe wanna-be scientists trying to make a "name" for themselves with this whacked-out "E.U. theory".



The discovery that a "solar wind" escapes the Sun at between 400 and 700 kilometers per second was a surprise for the nuclear theory.


NO it isn't....not to scientists and physicists and solar dynamics experts who devote their careers to this study.


The solar wind is a stream of charged particles ejected from the upper atmosphere of the Sun. It mostly consists of electrons and protons with energies usually between 10 and 100 keV. The stream of particles varies in temperature and speed over time. These particles can escape the Sun's gravity because of their high kinetic energy and the high temperature of the corona.

The solar wind creates the heliosphere, a vast bubble in the interstellar medium that surrounds the solar system.....


en.wikipedia.org...

The "charges" are there.....electricity, but very, very, very insignificant amounts of electrical energy. Nuclear fusion WINS that fight, in comparison.



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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by NWOnoworldorder
 



WRONG!!!


Yup...indeed, your entire "worry" about "cyanide" is WRONG!!!

Check your history.....this is exactly what happened in the early 20th century (1910), when Halley came by that time. TINY, TINY amounts of the littlest bits of interesting compounds were discovered to have been in the coma/tail, as the Earth encountered it.


It hurt NO ONE! (Unless there were some ignorant fools who panicked.....like the "Heaven's Gate" incident, with the Hale-Bopp comet some years ago).

AND, a lot of hucksters, frauds and shysters made money off the gullible ignorance, too...selling "remedies" to "protect" people from the comet's tail and gases..... PT Barnum was right, about suckers being born every minute.....


Interesting article (commentary)...this is how it opens:


Whether you like it or not, there are a lot of gullible people in the world. It is truly amazing what people will believe. But, what's worse, it is upsetting how many people are out there who try and take advantage of those people. Now I am not going to spend my time addressing all the lies people are falling for on an everyday basis, but I would like to address something that particularly bugs me.


Comet Hysteria and the Millennium

(Seems it was written just before the 21st century began...part of THAT OTHER "hysteria"....).

ADD: Here, so you don't have to search for it, the description of events of Halley's Comet, in 1910:


As Halley's Comet approached the sun in 1910, astronomers announced that Earth would actually pass through the tail of this comet during May of that year. They assured everyone that our planet was safe and suggested the possibility of some spectacular sunsets. Meanwhile, the doomsayers latched onto a potential link: if comets contain a poisonous gas and if Earth is going to pass through the comet's tail, then the people of Earth were in serious danger. Numerous newspapers actually published this story. Astronomers countered by saying the material in the tail was so spread out that there could be no ill affects, but few newspapers published this accurate information. Interestingly, a minor panic arose in some cities and entrepreneurs took advantage of it. They sold "comet pills" which were said to counter the effects of the poisonous gas. The pills sold like crazy. On May 20, after Earth had passed through the tail, everyone who had taken the pills was still alive...but, then, so was everyone else.



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oh really?? Formaldehyde, graphite, methane, sodium, silicone dioxide, carbon dioxide, ammonia, methanol, hydrogen, hydrogen cyanide, athanol and ethene....thats just some of the gases and chemical compounds found on comets need i go on?

skill up....

www.universetoday.com...




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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:35 PM
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1) Disclose all imformation and data to the general public in regards to an oncoming impact of enough significance to potentially cause an E.L.E the moment it is discovered. At which point the entire global economy is crashed, massive riots and pandemonium fills the streets. Goverment and NASA officals are held responsible and draged from their offices and lynched in the streets. Chaos reigns supreem, until BOOM!! The End.


I'm sorry, but this is always touted as the number one reason for not informing the public of possible ELE's.

There's another sub scenario to scenario #1..the data is disclosed to the worlds population, the public first reaction is 'what the hell are we going to do about it?' The next step is a credible plan of action to save as many people as possible.

This would boil down to only three avenues of approach, 1. To attack the incoming body directly (somehow), 2. To devise measures to save the population, along with seeds, DNA, and other samples of flora and fauna, 3. Both 1 & 2 simultaneously.

Option 3 is the only really sensible option, as an event of this order will kill most of us and most of the life on this planet, so any other concern is irrelevant.

The 'economy' will not crash, it will simply not be a concern. Who's going to need an economy after an ELE? Nobody..so it's irrelevant.

*ALL* planetary industry and manufacturing will stop, except for critical sectors such as medical, utilities and other essential areas, and instead *transfer* it's capabilities, *ALL* able bodies people as workforce, materials, and other resources over to progressing 'The 3rd option', whatever form that would take.

There are potentially billions of people that could be actively working on and advancing 'The Plan', even at a non specialised level. Wages, costs, and other traditional considerations would be irrelevant, as this would be survival, not employment.

Yes some will panic, commit suicide, murder etc, but when offered a fighting chance for their families and themselves to work for their very existence, the vast majority will be rolling up their sleeves and rushing to where they can best be put to use. I know i would be.

The idea of 'preserving society from Anarchy' as a reason for not telling the worlds population the truth is a ridiculous excuse always drummed into us, since after the event (in the *hypothetical* near future), there'd be no future for us or 'society' anyway, we'd all be gone!











edit on 15/4/2011 by spikey because: to add *hypothetical*...phew..



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:38 PM
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I had a few thoughts reading this thread.

IF there were a comet coming of considerable size and speed, could NASA indicate that it was smaller and slower? How different in appearance would two drastically different bodies appear until they were quite close?

As for the OP's assertion that the ISS would be hit, and not the earth?

If this thing swings near the earth at any point, as someone stated beforehand, it would be like a sand blaster. The earth would pass through the debris field with some bad effects, but the ISS would be lost.

so...
DRY RUN?

Knowing that without a cover story all of the astronauts cramming (did you see the video? It does not look comfy) into the escape pod, the Soyuz, and that it would be necessary in the near future. Did the astronauts practice for this moment under false pretenses?

also, keep in mind the moon. The moon orbits the earth with the same side facing the earth continuously. That face is pretty marked up. Thats a record, a verifiable record that some incredibly large bodies have streamed pretty close to the earth.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:39 PM
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NORAD were tracking this thing, but they've taken their site offline since late last year.

www.noradsanta.org...

This is direct evidence of a major coverup underway.

Elenin -> Lenin -> Lemming -> Christmas Lemmings -> Christmas -> Santa

There's significance in that for all of us.

P.S: I read every single post in the thread. Not a single piece of actual evidence in the entire thing.

There is a nice actual photo of comet Elenin though. It's a bit small to really make out any details though.

P.S.S: I think I am the only person who actually reads threads all the way through. Most people seem to post the same stuff over and over again as though they'd just discovered something new.

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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:40 PM
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Unless Jupiter is only 1 Km wide the comet is not 4 x its size. Its about 4 KM or 2.5 miles wide. Right now today its about 170 million miles away and yes if it was the size of Jupiter we would see it with the naked eye right now.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by CaptChaos
 


You are talking, in this post, about the physical STRUCTURE of the Sun, and various temperatures in the chromosphere and other layers, etc.

In the OTHER post you tried to indicate that objects millions of miles away would ALSO encounter increased heat.....your post left that false impression.

The study of the nature of a star, and its various temperatures in its layers, and its structure are just being (conveniently) mis-interpreted by a few fringe wanna-be scientists trying to make a "name" for themselves with this whacked-out "E.U. theory".



The discovery that a "solar wind" escapes the Sun at between 400 and 700 kilometers per second was a surprise for the nuclear theory.


NO it isn't....not to scientists and physicists and solar dynamics experts who devote their careers to this study.


The solar wind is a stream of charged particles ejected from the upper atmosphere of the Sun. It mostly consists of electrons and protons with energies usually between 10 and 100 keV. The stream of particles varies in temperature and speed over time. These particles can escape the Sun's gravity because of their high kinetic energy and the high temperature of the corona.

The solar wind creates the heliosphere, a vast bubble in the interstellar medium that surrounds the solar system.....


en.wikipedia.org...

The "charges" are there.....electricity, but very, very, very insignificant amounts of electrical energy. Nuclear fusion WINS that fight, in comparison.






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edit on 15 April 2011 by weedwhacker because: (no reason given)


Really? Well tell me, mr super smart scientist or whatever you pretend to be, who has nothing better to do ALL DAY EVERY DAY than hang out on kook lunatic fringe conspiracy websites like this one, how does the corona achieve two million degrees kelvin millions of miles above the far cooler surface, eh? How does the nuclear "fusion" which by the way has never been achieved in a lab, occuring in the core, manage to INCREASE temperature as it radiates away? Explain just that for me. Yeah, didn't think so. NONE of the "real scientists" can, so I doubt someone who appears to be PAID to hang out on sites like this and "debunk" everything can either.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:42 PM
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For those of you who have google earth check this out. If you use the google "sky" option on the upper tab of the window then you place the following co-ords into the search box you get an edited out black box which is really strange.

5h 53m 27s,-6 10' 56

type it in as is shown. This is creepy. The coords came off a picture NASA had taken of Planet X...so they say.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:43 PM
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Chadwickus' wolverine avatar is sooo cooool.Hes such a bad ass cool dude....



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by XtraTL

Elenin -> Lenin -> Lemming -> Christmas Lemmings -> Christmas -> Santa

There's significance in that for all of us.


.............................hu??....?

2nd line
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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:45 PM
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How can they have vids of a comet too far away to be seen yet?
Could it be that the vids are taken down because they are BS?



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:47 PM
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Why would they lie about THIS of all things? That doesn't even make any sense! Not that I don't believe you, I just don't get why they would do this.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:48 PM
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They are dis-infoing and keeping silent because what can they really do to stop a comet? If you blow it up it will make a lot of little comets. It's going to take a lot of cash to launch a rocket booster to attach it to the comet and by the time we get it to the comet it may be to late.

If it's going to hit it's going to hit if it's going to near miss it's going to near miss.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by DataWraith

The space we live is 360 degrees all round everyone on the planet could look up and we'd still miss something.


I was reading through this thread and came upon this small snippet here and it caused me to have a realization that I would like to point out.

I am only posting this in hopes that I can peel open the minds of other people to a grander scheme of things that we humans tend to overlook.

It's bigger than 360 degrees.

It's 360 degrees ^3 (cubed).

We know of 3 spacial dimensions, length width and height.
Therefore 360 ^3.

So by my calculations we are looking at a 46, 656, 000 degree situation here.
Much larger than the mere 360 degrees we commonly assume.


If anyone desires to correct this calculation or give logical reasons why it's not legitimate, hit me up.

Edit to add :: Also my calculation ignored the fact that each degree of separation can be further sub-divided into infinite decimals. Therefore there are infinite actual possible angles of approach to any one point. But I digress.
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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by nataylor

Originally posted by NWOnoworldorder
a comets coma as it passes the sun expands dramatically so much so that it can grow BIGGER than the actual sun,
Right, and because the very small volume of gas expands to fill an absolutely huge volume, it means it is very diffuse. It would have fewer molecules per unit volume in it than the best laboratory vacuum we can create here on Earth. In other words, there's not very much there. So there's nothing to worry about.



i here what ur saying however the fact that its "diluted" is irrelevent, whats relevant is how big the coma is and which direction its in to assertain how long earth would be in the coma,

exposure to these chemicals over lengthy periods of time would be extremely harmfull, we can put on gas masks, but what about animals, birds fish, plantlife would all die off leaving us with what? extremely limited food source..then what?



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 04:58 PM
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This may answer some questions ....

All the ports about the size are making a very big mistake... BIG ONE. Calculating the comet size by it's come is a mistake and a bad argument. They do not take into consideration .. Mass, Composition, etc...

Instead of using the length of the comet's tail to measure the scale of the comet, they should be talking about the size of the region of space disturbed by the comet's presence. But they don't. WHY ? They did it in 2007... why not now ?

Quote:

"Comet McNaught, the so-called Great Comet of 2007, has been identified as the biggest comet measured to date, according to scientists, whose calculations were based on the comet's overall influence in space."

Comet McNaught over the Pacific Ocean

Why is this important ? This is why ...

"Astronomers may be missing these so-called 'dark comets' because their icy and reflective surfaces have become hidden under an obscuring layer of dust."

DARK COMETS




And if you take in to consideration recent events ... and alignment coincidences... what does that tells you about the comet overall influence in space ?

That should tell you something about its size ..... and maybe ... just maybe it isn't a comet at all but a planet.

I don't know the answer...what I do know is that something isn't right. Too many coincidences ...




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