CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

I had to stop reading this thread after the first few pages. I find it very disillusioning that so many people here consider this an issue, even if they say they are not against homosexuality. I see so many posts that say "I have no problem with gays" but then type a torrent of snide comments with obvious bias and try to make it an issue. This is a non issue, or at least it should be. We have history for every group. Women, men, blacks, whites, ect. ect. Except homosexuality and transgenderd. These groups have been around in some way shape or form since the dawn of human history.

Coming from a dominatly gay family this is rather important to me. I was raised by my mother and her partner and my grandma and her partner. Yes I was raised by four lesbians.

To say this has no place in a ciriculum is exactly the same as saying black history or womens history has no place in a ciriculum.

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by Helious
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No, history classes should be filled with relevant history that is acceptable for children to learn, not history about a persons sexual preference and whether or not they like to have sex with men or women, cause guess what, once it is history, it means your dead and when your dead, whether you liked penis or vagina is irrelevant, only your actions concerning your impact of society matter.

LOL. Did you eve read the article? This isnt a history of gay sex. It requires schools to use textbooks that dont denigrate and otherwise badmouth "gay, bisexual and transgender Americans."

Transgender? Really?



I guess this history book will include J. Edgar Hoover and Quadaffi in history?

Maybe it'll have Jesus as well since now he is supposed to have been gay (or bi) and a dope addict.

Lets not forget the great pedophile Muhammed while we're at it.

BTW, I really dont recall seeing any history books that "denigrate or otherwise badmouth" the "group de jour".

quotes from the never to be released "Big California History Book":

Oscar Wilde was a an amazing author, fluent in multiple languages and most important kids,

HE WAS GAY!!!! WOOT WOOT! bow chica wow wow!

Albert Einstein was a major mover in realms of Science. While he wasnt gay....
HIS NEIGHBOR WAS!!!! (beat music) boom shish boom shish boom shish boom shish!

What freakin difference does it make if someone was gay? If your gay, your gay. Kinda strange to me but it doesnt make you bad. Bi? Transgender? One is a hedonistic narcisist the other mentally/emotionally challenged.

All of this "inclusiveness" BS is doing our kids no service.

We need to go back to education as it was 60 years ago. Kids graduating HIGH SCHOOL then would ace kids GRADUATING COLLEGE NOW!

hmmm. could this be why the socialist/anarchist nuts are doing this?

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Things like this makes me wish the world would just end and restart over

Teach gay-history...huh? OK. how about pedophile-history or child molester-history?

California is so PC it makes me ill.

California should be given back to Mexico (no charge), if they will take it back.

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Opponents counter that such instruction would further burden an already crowded curriculum and expose students to a subject that some parents find objectionable. The legislation, sponsored by Democratic Sen. Mark Leno of San Francisco, passed on a 23-14 party line vote. It also would add disabled people to the curriculum.

I would have to be one of those arguing...

I could care less "what" someone was...it's more important to learn about what their contribution was, and its importance, etc. For example, focus on George Washington Carver's achievements with the peanut, instead of harping on his skin color. Sure, it's fine to acknowledge it, but going out of the way to modify curriculum to include sexual orientation? Besides, there are plenty of avenues to learn this on one's own. (I don't need a textbook to tell me Alexander the Great was bi, for example).

People don't realize how expensive it is to modify this, both in manpower, materials, commissioned books, etc. Schools are already trying to do too much with too little funding. Don't add more to the mix unless you want to see the system fail even more than it does now.

Work it in gradually if you really want, but don't mandate it and do so with a mind that not everyone is going to be socially accepting of such teachings, and also realize that until such protection is added to Title VII, there's not much legal ground to stand on in forcing it.

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This should be an elective in highschool. Perhaps touch on it in civil rights discussion beforehand and then let highschoolers decide if they want to get into the nitty gritty of Gay History.

Originally posted by romanmel
Teach gay-history...huh? OK. how about pedophile-history or child molester-history?

Are you equating homosexuality with the criminal acts of child molestation?
Why and how do you make that correlation?

This is a complete joke!

When will the madate for TOTAL history come out?

Why is it taking so long for the government to just poop or get off the pot?

I don't want to know about one particular group, or one particular culture...or even have them added in one at a time. I want admission that our current taught history is flawed, and that we should be researching and teaching TOTAL history as much as possible.

My idea of TOTAL history is a history that presents all known data from all known parties involved. I want as much of the raw data as possible. I want students to be taught how to make their own conclusion based on the raw date. And, I want healthy debate about it in class on a regular basis...I don't want too much

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by romanmel
Teach gay-history...huh? OK. how about pedophile-history or child molester-history?

Are you equating homosexuality with the criminal acts of child molestation?
Why and how do you make that correlation?

Simple.

Homosexual acts WERE considered "criminal acts" not too long ago in many states.

Once you start down the slippery path of de-criminalization of perversity there is no end to it.

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you clearly do care if people are gay or not. otherwise you actually wouldn't care, instead of just throwing that in there to make yourself appear PC. It's kind of like when, right before you insult someone, you say "not to be a jerk, but..." You still are jerk for insulting the person. You can't say that you have absolutely no problem with gays, you just wish that they would change certain things... that you have a problem with. Express your opinion, but don't lie to yourself. Bigots are bigots are bigots.
If you truly don't have a problem with gays, you would support their rights and want to celebrate their history. It is certainly debatable what kind of a cultural impact labeling something as "gay" history or "black" history, but is anybody really up in arms over Black History Month? Why is it so different for the gays?

Originally posted by romanmel

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by romanmel
Teach gay-history...huh? OK. how about pedophile-history or child molester-history?

Are you equating homosexuality with the criminal acts of child molestation?
Why and how do you make that correlation?

Simple.

Homosexual acts WERE considered "criminal acts" not too long ago in many states.

Once you start down the slippery path of de-criminalization of perversity there is no end to it.

coming from a person with some sort of roman coin on his avatar? right, the romans hated gay people. if rome still ruled the world, those gay perverts would have been taken care of long ago!
Interracial marriage used to be illegal. Women's suffrage used to be illegal. Slavery used to be state-sponsored. Were those all slippery slopes that we shouldn't have gone down? Should people be forced to be unhappy for fear of potential consequences?
Why are you so afraid of gays? They already exist, there is no growing problem, only your awareness of the issue is growing. How does "legalizing" (as if you can criminalize somebody's personal nature) homosexuality lead to pedophilia or child molestation? If you would take two minutes, you could google the stats and see that sexual criminals are overwhelmingly straight white males. There is no science, only opinion, to support this theory that homosexuality is bad for society or that it spreads or hurts people.

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If by "gay history," they are talking about the history of gay rights, then I feel that it should just be in books already, right after the civil rights movement. If we're talking about pointing out historical figures and saying "yep, he was gay" one month out of the year, scrap it.
You're absolutely right that something like that should be an elective. You could easily fill a semester's curriculum if you were focusing on what gays have done for society. and as an elective, the crazy fundamentalist won't have anything to drag people behind their pickup trucks about.
While I agree with the spirit of things like Black History Month, I also realize that feeling bad about something can sometimes lead you to decisions which make the situation worse. Putting gay historical figures into a box where all of their accomplishments and contributions are labelled as "gay" singles them out and cheapens their historical endeavors.

Originally posted by romanmel

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by romanmel
Teach gay-history...huh? OK. how about pedophile-history or child molester-history?

Are you equating homosexuality with the criminal acts of child molestation?
Why and how do you make that correlation?

Simple.

Homosexual acts WERE considered "criminal acts" not too long ago in many states.

Once you start down the slippery path of de-criminalization of perversity there is no end to it.

So what if it was considered criminal? Homosexuality involves two consenting individuals and harms nobody, nor is it "perverse". Also, "perversion" between consenting adults has no business being criminalized in the first place.

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The idea of an elective is a very good idea, with one exception.
As you can see from reading any post on the web, folks are subject to peer pressure.
This is even more obvious in kiddie schools.
The subject would not go well as the close minded individuals would talk their free thinking friends out of taking the course.
I used to think home schooling was the road to ignorance but now i am seeing some advantages.

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So if you are right, all straight people are straight kiddie fiddlers?
I do not understand your equation.
Please clarify?

Maybe pushing Gay Rights and Gay History is one way to attempt a solution to the overpopulation problem and to encourage more people to adopt?

Though, now more and more gay couples are using surrogates to have children.

No. I guess it really doesn't have anything to do with adoption and overpopulation.

Will we have a Gay History Month, too?

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I see, gay people are all perverts you say.
Does this mean the first man to use fire was a witch?
Believe it or not, Homosexuality was not always a perv thing.
There are some cultures around the world who openly practiced.
It was not until someone wrote a book, and it sold probably billions of copies that homosexuality became evil.

(Edit)
It seems as of late some of the most hardcore practitioners of said book are also practitioners of homosexual kiddie fiddling.
I totally forgot about that!