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Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by Mr. D
Shouldn't you be trolling some other site?
Blah blah blah. What makes you think that your perspective is useful?
Originally posted by SuspiciousPeon
Originally posted by Steve8511
Gays or fetishes have no place in the military. If a person likes to have sex with pigeons in his spare time- who cares. But for some reason a man who loves harry butt holes gets a special place? It’s all a political grandstand for votes from a vocal minority.
Yeah the truth hurts.
It is an awkward situation for both heterosexual and gay Marines alike. I do know gay Marines (being a gay man myself) and they find the topic of male rape in the military as uncomfortable a topic as you do. You might find that a surprise that they also believe those individuals who commit rape in the military have no place at all.
I can tell you that gay military members have a fear of being "outed." In that regard you should have no fear of any of gays doing anything to your six. At the moment gay service members HAVE to live in the utmost discretion. They can be outed by a subordinate or even an upset lover. That means molesting or raping anyone of the same sex is an instant disgrace not only to the military but to other brave homosexuals who go great lengths to succeed in the military institution. Such acts from a homosexual only fan the fire of homophobia but usually bring about the wrath of homosexuals who have worked hard to build a place for themselves. A gay Marine is just as likely as you are to want to put a bullet in a military rapist.
Gays put a lot on the line for the country and risk harassment so trust me buddy - they have NO "special place" that you speak of and if they decide to molest or rape anyone of the same or opposite sex - the military is going to treat them like any other individual irregardless of sexual orientation. "Don't Ask Don't Tell" is not going to protect them in the slightest.
The only things the repeal of "Don't Ask Don't Tell" will offer is a chance for gay service members to be "open" if they CHOOSE and most importantly it protects them from snitches who would accuse them of being gay to get them out of the military. The later part of that sentence is the most important and you should see that. For example in a military actively seeking specialized dialect translators it is a shameless waste of assets not to be able to have such translators because some snitch got them kicked out due to "Don't Ask Don't Tell." Say the person kicked out did not grope or molest anyone and that they are a good person who wants to serve. Under "Don't Ask Don't Tell" all it takes is the suspicion that you are gay or bi and out the door you go. Yet men and women are dying on the battle field with no (or poor) translators in hostile territory because some politician decades ago had to make a political grandstand to the brainwashed majority.
The truth really hurts if your fellow Marines are falling on the front lines because some snitch is afraid of big bad homos. Like you said, who cares what your fellows like to have sex with. What they like or dislike should have nothing to do with keeping your six from getting blown off. Military men reporting being raped has nothing to do with your concerns about what gay military members like or dislike or any fictional "special place" they receive. They deserve a spot fighting right there next you. Semper Fi.
No offense but your comment is a little ignorant, not in a negative way, but in the most respectful meaning of the word. What most of us would view as harmless hazing or funny can involve things that some would consider sexual degradation. I mean even having someone put their balls on your face or "t-bag" you can be considered "sexual trauma".
It's not a matter of 'ineffective soldiers allowing themselves to be raped' It's just a matter of health professionals broadly categorizing things from minor incidents to full on rape as "sexual assault"..etc.
Not that I condone putting balls on other people's faces. haha.
Do you mean like the stuff in the photos from Abu Ghraib? Harmless japeing, no doubt, in your book?
Are you suggesting that sexual humiliation is an acceptable method of training as well as a preferred means of torture for the US army?
Originally posted by byteshertz
reply to post by P3ACE0WAR
If 110 Us male soldiers were raped, I wonder how many male "enemy combatants" also suffered.
Ofcourse I am sure the female rapes are 10 times higher.. just saying I think a lot more male rape goes on than people think.
Originally posted by getreadyalready
On the other hand, hazing some fellow soldiers, having some laughs, and not doing any permanent, physical damage is fine. Balls in the face, momma jokes, nakedness, is fine. The fact is: these guys have to rely on one another in life and death situations. They have to know the mental fortitude of their comrades is going to stand up in the heat of battle. They aren't going to haze anyone so badly that they are tempted to get revenge in a battlefield situation, and they are not going to rely on anyone that can't take a little hazing. It is a delicate bonding situation, and it doesn't need tampered with by any outside source.
Originally posted by getreadyalready
Suck it up buttercup! That is the point. No one wants to really on a pansy when the shtf!