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Originally posted by ARNOMANNN
reply to post by IsaacKoi
UMMMM........sooooo.........Do aliens exist??????...............Have to ask..............
Originally posted by Grimalkin
GLAD YOU POSTED THIS! ATS NEEDS MORE PEOPLE LIKE YOU TO KEEP THE BALANCE. I think the whole UFO subject is being affected by an emotional state brought about by wishful thinking in some observers. Emotions can certainly change one's perception of any phenomena observed. I really think a lot of the UFO mania today is being perpetuated by our enhanced abilities to record and communicate our observations. We all have good inexpensive cameras to take pictures of things we believe to be UFOs, and the means to communicate our findings and opinions on electronic forums which can disseminate information at the speed-of-light. This abundance of data would certainly appear to most people to be a great surge in UFO evidence, and in a way it is, because now more evidence can actually be recorded. In another way the statistics relating to instances of UFO activity, experiences and sightings may have remained a constant throughout the years; it's only our new ability to propagate related words and images that gives the perception of increased numbers. This amount of evidence, real, fake or mistakes of perception can get some people in an emotional frenzy, especially when they want to see UFOs or examine evidence "proving" their existence. i.e. DESIRE+HOPE=EMOTION; EMOTION+DOCUMENT OF QUESTIONABLE AUTHENTICITY=IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE OF ALIENS AND CRAFT. So, stay cool, stay objective, observe and study the data and available information and consider their sources.
Originally posted by primetime2123
where is the debunking ?? this neither proves nor disproves anything...pretty much back to square one
Originally posted by IsaacKoi
Sigh.
This episode (and the rejection to some of my posts attempting to correct numerous misconceptions regarding the “new” FBI documents) has merely reinforced my view that I should be spending more of my limited spare time on my new hobby. I think I may have found a hobby in which the sociological and psychological insights which (I think) I’ve gained from reading over 1,000 UFO books and reading countless related documents/articles can start to pay real financial dividends…
Originally posted by bhornbuckle75
reply to post by IsaacKoi
Although I believe that this FBI memo is indeed relating to the hoax made by the conman....Let me be a Devil's Advocate for a second. Is there truly any DIRECT evidence that the memo is related to this hoax, other than the stories being similar and being told at the right time period? Also it seems that the Air Force knew from the get go that this story was a fraud, why would they pass on such an obvious fraud to Hottel, who then wrote a memo that if not outright suggesting it was real, then at the very least does not even hint at the fact that it is a likely hoax? Something he would have undoubtedly learned from the Air Force Investigator.edit on 14-4-2011 by bhornbuckle75 because: Giant Panda Bears
Dec 06, 2010 Guy Hottel Guy Hottel was a Special Agent in Charge of the FBI's Washington Field Office. The information concerning Mr. Hottel is in regard to a March 22, 1950, memo he sent to the Director concerning flying saucers.
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Originally posted by IsaacKoi
I'm close to finishing a series of pieces about identifying the best UFO cases, which may answer your question. I've been working on these pieces for about 5 years now...
Frankly, I’m completely fed up of reading complete nonsense and addressing these issues on an ad hoc basis in multiple threads
If Aliens don't visit us or Inter-dimensional Beings or humans from the future, or whatever, then why even have UFO's on the site. Where are the Santa Clause topics? Or Easter Bunny memos on FBI.GOV?
But hoax-ufo memos are ok? Seems strange to me.
So is this the FBI's response to the increase in UFO/Alien belief? Right? What is discussed all the time, "All these UFO tv shows and movies, they are preparing us...." But the FBI did not post this as a hoax or $50,000 law suit, they actually wrote a blurb under the link about flying saucers.
Since not everyone is an educated Ufologist, most people are going to "overreact" at this news. This whole thing still seems rather strange to me. I'm not sure what else can be done on this, but move on?
What is with page 52 on UFO part 13 of 16?
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