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Rampant Immigration Dividing The UK says Cameron

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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by AngryOne
reply to post by RufusDriftwood
 


*Sigh*
So I'm a NAZI because I tell the truth? Typical knee-jerk liberal response.
Again, I ask the question:Am I right or am I wrong?




I'm sure that us Brits will not be tempted to take advice from anyone from a country that has just elected it's first black leader who is hell bent in destroying your once great nation!


.....I'm a bit confused. THIS quote sounds kind of "racist".


I don't think after reading your inane drivel that you are in any position to call anyone, least of all me, a racist!
I agree with you on one thing you said- you are more than a bit confused! Why don't you enlighten me and the ATS faithful on why an American would feel so strongly about the problems faced by us here in the UK when the American ideal is built on Immigration!? The only real American is the native American and the rest of you are, wait for it, "immigrants!"




posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 11:13 PM
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reply to post by sapien82
 


I don't dislike anybody based solely on there race or national origin. Just where did you get this idea?

But anyway.....



our differences are only apparent physical attributes through phenotypes in our genes


Do you honestly still believe this? If so, why?



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 11:27 PM
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Originally posted by RufusDriftwood

Originally posted by AngryOne
reply to post by RufusDriftwood
 


*Sigh*
So I'm a NAZI because I tell the truth? Typical knee-jerk liberal response.
Again, I ask the question:Am I right or am I wrong?




I'm sure that us Brits will not be tempted to take advice from anyone from a country that has just elected it's first black leader who is hell bent in destroying your once great nation!


.....I'm a bit confused. THIS quote sounds kind of "racist".


I don't think after reading your inane drivel that you are in any position to call anyone, least of all me, a racist!
I agree with you on one thing you said- you are more than a bit confused! Why don't you enlighten me and the ATS faithful on why an American would feel so strongly about the problems faced by us here in the UK when the American ideal is built on Immigration!? The only real American is the native American and the rest of you are, wait for it, "immigrants!"


I was NOT calling you a racist. It's just that, well....the line in question did come off sounding weird. Just what were you trying to say anyway?

As for your question, WELL, this is an international message board; I am just stating my opinions and concerns just like everyone else.

As for America, just why do you think this country is apparently going down in flames? Go on-take a guess.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 11:51 PM
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But you're making artificial distinctions! How can someone from a land made great and mighty by immigrants be so dead set against immigration? The problem Isn't immigration the problem is integration... If I moved to the USA I would become an American citizen and embrace the culture and become one with my new homeland. Similarly, I would simply ask those coming into the UK to become British citizens, learn the language and turn their backs on their outdated archaic religious views as they should not be tolerated in a fair and free society. Your own homeland is proof that immigration can and does work but you have to have the mettle to make it work!

Here in the UK our problem is not so much with immigrants coming into the country its the fact that when they do they are treated better than those born and bred in this country! We are second class citizens in our own homeland... Its not a question of race, creed or colour- it's a question of fairness...



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 12:25 AM
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Immigration and forced integration are two completely different things; the former may work, the latter never will.
I mean, just what's wrong with England staying ENGLISH?
Multiculturalism is nothing but cultural (and racial) genocide.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 02:53 AM
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It was not part of their blood,
It came to them very late,
With long arrears to make good,
When the Saxon began to hate.

They were not easily moved,
They were icy -- willing to wait
Till every count should be proved,
Ere the Saxon began to hate.

Their voices were even and low.
Their eyes were level and straight.
There was neither sign nor show
When the Saxon began to hate.

It was not preached to the crowd.
It was not taught by the state.
No man spoke it aloud
When the Saxon began to hate.

It was not suddently bred.
It will not swiftly abate.
Through the chilled years a.,
When Time shall count from the date
That the Saxon began to hate.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 03:52 AM
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Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by Freeborn
 


You do understand your way of living,the British way,is over?


Is it?
According to who?
And what has replaced it?



I will quote myself,as to you calling me racist.Ironic since I am of mixed decent.............


Mixed descent?
Aren't we all to varying degree's?
And so what? That doesn't make you perfect or any better, or worse, than anyone else.
You are still capable of the same failings that trouble the rest of us.
And being racist is one of them failings and is not unique to 'white' people.

You display a rascist attitude towards British people.
You have an obvious anti-British agenda which clearly clouds your judgement and appears to prevent you from making a qualified and reasoned arguement.



I think the only thing racist,are those people that want other people to learn a language,or a custom,or the BRITISH WAY,or to get the hell out. Many of YOUR countrymen have that feeling.Just check this thread.


And what exactly is wrong with expecting new immigrants to a country who are being sheltered, fed and educated by their newly adopted country to learn the language of that culture, respect the culture and at least try to offer something positive back to that culture and society that has welcomed them?



Many in Germany had that feeling in 1933. You do see the point I am making,right? Where does it end? Whats next for the British on their Island. Camps for the Islamic people?


Nonsense.
The Jews in Germany in 1933 were not free loading and were not trying to impose their culture / religion etc on the German people.
Germany had not operated an open door policy and as a result had not been swamped with immigrants of all races and creeds.m to
For all that I despise the current crop of sleazy, self-serving, corrupt scum bags who masquerade as politicians I think it's slighly unfair to compare them to Hitler and The Nazi's.....just yet.



How about finding a happy medium


Like what?
You are quick to utter comments like that but offer no solutions at all.



,instead of becoming a bigoted country overnight


We aren't, we are a very tolerant nation and people, but enough is enough and we are also a very resilient and warrior like people when pushed to anger!



,due to the failures of your Government ?


Nearly every single government has failed this nation and it's people.
The party political system doesn't work and we need radical electoral and parliamentary reform.
edit on 16/4/11 by Freeborn because: various typo's, grammar and spelling



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 04:04 AM
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"What is racist about asking immigrants to learn my language and understand the culture of Britian."

The problem with it is you want them to learn YOUR language.You demand it. You want them to learn your culture also. You dont think they know what YOUR culture is? You dont think they have studied it,or arnt accustom to it,after ALL these years? They choose not to. Its their RIGHT!!!!! Under the same laws you live under. Unless you want to change the laws.......Once you force them to learn your culture,language,you make the next possible step...........................................................

"*** Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood without consideration of confession."

"*** The right to determine matters concerning administration and law belongs only to the citizen; therefore, we demand that every public office of any sort whatsoever, whether in the Reich, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens." (1708-PS)

LINK

Just insert British,where German is.................
History bound to repeat. A few marches,a charismatic leader to whip the people in a frenzy,a falseflag or two.................

Why you cant live in peace,without forcing your culture,or ideology,on someone else,beats me. Most of these immigrants are just trying to live. Most came to Britain to earn a living.They take the worst jobs,because the Average citizen doesn't want to work them. The majority,92% whites who live in Britain,cant stand to become a minority. This is ALL about race,call a spade a spade,and quit hiding under nationalistic pride.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 04:50 AM
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You seem to have some deep rooted paranoia about Britain going the same way as Germany, we won't, we have a different mind set and psyche.

And I find it ironic that you try to castigate 'The British' for expecting immigrants to learn English, respect British values and customs, try to integrate into British society and help the nation continue to grow and develop whilst supporting the immgrants desire to isolate themselves from their foster country, recreate the #hole they have fled from and ultimately impose their will on the very same people who have harbored and protected them and treat them as equals.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 04:55 AM
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Originally posted by Freeborn

Is it?
According to who?
And what has replaced it?


When you signed up to be part of the European Union..........
When you forget that a hand that points,has three fingers pointing right back at him...........
When you say you are tolerant,but force another people to learn your ways...........or else.


Originally posted by Freeborn
Mixed descent?
Aren't we all to varying degree's?
And so what? That doesn't make you perfect or any better, or worse, than anyone else.
You are still capable of the same failings that trouble the rest of us.
And being racist is one of them failings and is not unique to 'white' people.


I am not stating any of what you are saying isnt true. My being of mixed decent,lets me see in a unique perspective. Racism comes in many flavors,and comes under many banners. We are all human,but some fail to remember it,on a daily basis.


Originally posted by Freeborn
You display a racist attitude towards British people.
You have an obvious anti-British agenda which clearly clouds your judgment and appears to prevent you from making a qualified and reasoned argument.


Thats where you are very wrong.My judgment comes from what I see. I clearly see a majority,CRYING because they feel some moral wrong has come to their country,by means of a minority.Call it what you will,I call it racism.


Originally posted by Freeborn

And what exactly is wrong with expecting new immigrants to a country who are being sheltered, fed and educated by their newly adopted country to learn the language of that culture, respect the culture and at least try to offer something positive back to that culture and society that has welcomed them?


So,they arnt paying back to the King,in taxes? They arnt helping the economy in ANY way?
They don't take the Jobs that the Average citizen doesn't want to do?Your welcoming with open arms,comes with a catch?Help with a price?Hmmmmm...................



Originally posted by Freeborn
Nonsense.
The Jews in Germany in 1933 were not free loading and were not trying to impose their culture / religion etc on the German people.



The German people blamed the Jews for all their ills.Like blaming the immigrants for all the ills in Britain. If you dont see the comparison,I dont know what to say.





Originally posted by Freeborn



Like what?
You are quick to utter comments like that but offer no solutions at all.


My solution is this. Stop asking for something that isnt warrented.Dont force someone to do something they dont want to.


Originally posted by Freeborn
We aren't, we are a very tolerant nation and people, but enough is enough and we are also a very resilient and warrior like people when pushed to anger!


Enough is Enough? Warrior like people?
OK.
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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 05:04 AM
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It has absolutely nothing to do with race.

Afro-Carribeans have emigrated here for a number of years and have contributed an enormous amount to British culture and society.
It is not well reported in MSM but a fact nonetheless that many Black British have major concerns with the recent influx of immigrants from Somalia and other parts of Africa and with large parts of the established Asian communities.

Is that racism or a genuine concern aout the future of THEIR country?

Sikh's have long been a part of British society and command an enormous amount of respect.
They have done so whilst also retaining their own cultural heritage and identity.

So how does all that fit into your own pre-conceived opinion that we are all racist bigots.

Absolute bollocks!



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 05:06 AM
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Never said every British citizen was racist.Just those calling for a minority to do something,they dont want to do,or have to do. Your laws are very clear,maybe you should read them.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 06:15 AM
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The British people never signed up for the European Union, they agreed to join a Free Trade Association and every Prime Minister and The Sovereign since has relinquished a bit of sovereignty to the EU, without consulting the people, and as such is technically guilty of Treason.

If we were 'granted' a referendum then I suspect we would vote to come out of the EU.

Being of 'mixed' race grants you no special insight all...when I meet a person of 'mixed' race I don't see a 'mixed' race person I see a person who just happens to be of 'mixed' race, a subtle but very important difference.

No-one is crying my friend, just voicing an opinion, and a wide held one at that.
And whilst I am not so naive or blind to fail to recognise that there are racist elements around I assure you the vast majority of Brits are anything but racist and view this as a cultural, social and economic issue.

And no, the old adage that immigrants do the jobs that no-one else wants or are willing to do no longer holds true here in the UK.
Migrant workers from Eastern Europe and elsewhere have taken many jobs traditionally done by British tradesmen.

But in addition large proportions of several immigrant groups make no attempt to work and are granted large benefit payments etc, some of which are denied to UK citizens, and make absolutely no attempt to contribute to society.

I certainly don't blame immigrants for all of the UK's ill's.
We definately don't help ourselves at times and I have absolutely no respect for many politicians at all, past and present.
But Britain is skint and Britain is full and can not afford to house and feed anyone else.
And immigrants who show no respect at all for their adopted country, in fact show nothing but disdain for it, have no place here.

By refusing to admit that these people should shoulder no blame or responsibility you place yourself with the apologists and PC brigade, neither of which have much credebility and respect.

You are clearly more informed and aware than that.
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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 07:05 AM
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Our old and sick people are dying unnecessarily every winter from the cold here in the UK. These are our own vulnerable and sick citizens, and they often have to choose between eating or heating because they cannot afford both. They cannot afford to have their homes insulated against our increasingly cold winters here. These people have worked damn hard all their lives - many since they were children of 14 years old and younger.

Someone tell me it is right that we should neglect our own elderly citizens in this way, while at the same time pandering to millions of foreign speaking immigrants who get everything they want and need for free, even interpreters. The cost of one interpreter alone could prevent many of our elderly and vulnerable from dying unnecessarily from the cold every year. But instead, it has to be spent on interpreters so we can understand them when they ask for more of our benefits. They are all take and no give. They are a proverbial 'millstone around the neck' of our economy.

How is it that we are the wicked racist ones for offering them free English lessons and everything else they want and need for free? They refuse to learn English because it's their right to refuse? Won't learn English for no other reason but 'they just don't want to'? Oh BOO HOO.

Everything we taxpaying Brits have and need we have to earn, and have earned, and it is a long, hard, exhausting slog. The only thing that the millions of immigrants coming here have to earn is their wages (if they have a job). Everything else they get is for free.

Yes, we Brits are such terrible, evil, racist people.

If anything, we are racist against our own citizens.
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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 07:09 AM
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With the star signs I have seen, it seems most of ATS believes England belongs to white people. Is racism that widespread in ATS?

I'm sorry for the offensive question, but it seems to be true, most people claim they own England based on their color, that is called racism, even though they are way less than blacks, brown and yellows regarding their deeds.

Disgusting really, but let them enjoy their Nazi mentality.They don't believe they are racist, rather they believe they are right.
*Yuck*
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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 07:12 AM
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He said clearly with the language English, which is suppose to be English, that white people own England. I didn't say it, he said it.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 07:14 AM
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Are you white?

Where's Hitler, don't tell me he's hiding with you guys, please don't tell me he's alive. Is Muslim the next enemy of White?



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 07:17 AM
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Originally posted by Dhimmie

I believe you have 42 days to apply for a British Passport IF at least 1 of the legal parents have 1.

I believe most of the people you are complaining about, and want violence against are citizens of England, infact belong to England more than you. I don't know what you do, or how much you pay tax, how much are you helping England, what I'm sure of, is that my uncle is much more English than you.

I can guarantee that you color don't make you English, my uncle has been living in London since he was 5 years old, he is as much English as you, and he has been probably paying more tax than you, considering what you do.b



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 07:18 AM
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No pride is not misguided, pride is racist. When you have pride based on your color, you are racist. Get over it, you can't hide your racism, just like the Nazi bigots can't.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 07:26 AM
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Do you accept the fact that you are racist?

Do you accept the fact that black people have worked harder than you to make England a better place? Or Chinese, or Indian, or Pakistani, or Afghani, or Bangladishi, or Somali, or any other color which you don't appreciate.

People like you make me sick, do you know why? Because you judge yourself based on your color. What you don't realize will end your whole race. You don't realize that other races, and ethnicities are doing more than white people, they are working their asses off, and paying their taxes to keep you happy. They are most likely more citizen and more British than you are.

Please do tell us what you do for England, except you damn color. Please tell us.




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