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Originally posted by getreadyalready
The short answer is no. But, I also do not want my children and grand-children to allow the continual sliding and erosion of their individual rights. This country is drastically different, in a worse way, than the country my grand-parents lived in and envisioned for the future. So, while I hope my children can live a better lifestyle than I have lived, I also hope they are not willing to sacrifice their liberties for it. I hope they are at least "willing" to make the hard sacrifice for the greater good.
My answer to this one and many of the other questions will be almost the same thing. I can totally get on board with a plan that delays the tax cuts, and still makes deep cuts in spending. I just haven't seen that plan. For all the criticism the Tea Party is taking, at least they are active. Show me an aggressive plan that balances the budget in 5 years and I'll support it!
Obama has some good ideas too! Remove the loopholes, remove the limits on Social Security contribution, get rid of the tax cuts for the rich and the loopholes for the corporations. Ease the restrictions on foreign earned investments, so that corporations can bring their money back to the states. BUT, do it along with major spending cuts. I'd be happy to support a plan that incorporated the most aggressive parts of each side! I have a feeling, we will get the exact opposite. We will probably get a plan that incorporates the least aggressive parts of each side, and that will just be another failing plan.
That is easy to say. I would love to say the same thing, but what is your solution then? Do we refuse to vote? Do we write letters? Talk to the press? Run for an office?
I mean really nobody cares what we refuse to settle for. The government is so disconnected from the people that it is worthless to bluster and blow and stomp our feet, because they just don't care. The corporations will still finance their campaign, and someone will still get elected and play the same game.
So, back to my confederacy statement, or supporting the imperfect Tea Party and using it as a baby step. Unless you have a better plan that will be more effective, then I am all ears.
Pretty much the same as above. At least the Tea Party is "active" and at least they are not supporting the status quo.
We need radical changes, and we need them quickly. You may not think the Tea Party is the majority, but I think you are wrong.
I think the vast, silent "majority" is busy working in rural America, and busy working the graveyard shifts and the factories in the cities, and I think their views are not out in the open. Their views are ignored by the polls, because they don't bother answering the polls. Their views are ignored by the politicians, because they are not writing letters or going to rallies, because they are too busy scraping to get by. I think the Tea Party is speaking for those people. At least I hope that is what is going on. If the big money GOP continues to hijack the coattails of the Tea Party, then it is all a wasted effort.
As in all my responses, show me a better, more immediate, more efficient plan, and I will support it!
Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Sinnthia
See, I don't think we agreed on one plan. I think we agreed on the better parts of Obama's plan, but that is only half the story on his plan. The other half is to continue spending to try to bolster the economy and protect failing business plans.
What I COULD agree on, would be Obama's tax plan (temporarily), and the Ryan spending cuts plan combined. That would make significant progress possible.
And I wasn't hypothetically jumping from a 30 year balance budget to a 5 year balance budget, that was just an example of a very aggressive estimate that I could support. If someone shows me a great 10 year or 20 year plan, that doesn't burden me further with taxes, and that doesn't give my money away to shoddy business practices or lazy freeloaders, and I will support it.
And, the "silent majority" I was talking about doesn't mean I am assuming anything about you. You and I might be exactly the same. We are both hard workers that are expecting a lot from our government for what we pay in. BUT, there are a whole lot of people out there, that are also hard working, but they don't get out to Tea Party events, they are not writing letters, they might not even be watching the news. They are just scrapping and scraping to try and survive and provide for their families. THOSE ARE THE MAJORITY!! Those are the people that the pollsters ignore, and the politicians ignore, and the pundits ignore. Those are the people that would support a fair tax, or a flat tax, or a sales tax. Those are the people that really depend on a fix for Social Security, and those are the people that need a cut in government spending.
If we came up with the proper plan, and the proper platform, it could satisfy you and I both, and it would thrill that silent majority. Lets make the plan!!
My biggest fear is that all of the "compromise" from both sides will eliminate the best parts of each plan, and we will be left with the worst parts of each plan. I'm afraid Obama and the Dems will cave on their tax plan, and I'm afraid the Tea Party Reps will cave on too many of their spending cuts. We will be left with a hollow shell of a plan, call it progress, everyone will pat themselves on the back for reaching across the aisle, and all of us hard workers will continue to suffer.