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Detroit SWAT with tank raids mother because she protected her child from harmful medication

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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 02:26 AM
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The reason America has so many children on mental health medications is because they need them.


You sad little person. How on this Earth can you possibly believe that?! Have you been completely and fully indoctrinated/ brainwashed by Big Pharma?

Honestly, it makes me so angry to read nonsense like that which you just posted, I now have to walk away from my computer and go for a cigarette. Cheers (not).

It beggars belief that such ignorance can be spouted on this site.




posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 02:44 AM
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This is utterly sick, and wrong in so many ways. I'm curious to what judge gave this order though???? Dear God PLEASE PLEASE I hope this crap gets straightened out and this woman can get her daughter back. She could always claim temporary insanity like murderers do and get out scott free if only she wasn't standing up for her rights. CPS ruined my family by lying and lying continuously so that after my mother had a mental breakdown due to an effect of her medicine, (shes bipolar), my 8 year old brother was taken away, but the thing is when my mother got better, and even her doctors claimed she was better, CPS MADE UP LIES about my mom to the courts. I was only 13 years old but I remember the lies they told about visits and my brother was forever gone from my mothers custody. I hated CPS since I was 13. This story is a little personal I just had to share that Ive dealt with CPS first hand and have seen what they CAN AND WILL do to families. Its amazing/disgusting.

Secondly, it is also utterly sick when people in authority believe they KNOW what is best for YOUR kids!! My son, who has since passed away, might still be alive if the doctors would have listened to me, the mother, and my instincts. My son had a heart defect and heart surgeries and I'm sure an early death was inevitable, but the last night I spent with my son, I took him to the hospital, he was 2 1/2, cause he had a really high fever, I told the doctor I didn't feel comfortable with him not being in ICU, he is "not at all himself" and he (the doctor) talked me into believing he was OK, and we would be outta there by Thursday, and he didn't need to be in the ICU, even though my son usually does go to the ICU since his health problems had worsened that year. Well, they didn't listen to me the Mother, and maybe I should have stuck up for myself and my son more, trust me I battle with this guilt, but I listened to the authority figure who in turn DIDN'T listen to me, my instincts, and sure enough the next morning, he died, and I wonder if he would have been in the care of the ICU in the first place, would he still be alive today, would I still be able to hold my baby boy in my arms if that doctor would have listened to me, his mom?
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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 02:50 AM
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Thank you for yet another reality check into how sick our world can be sometimes



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 06:27 AM
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What Washington needs is adult supervision.
Barack Obama



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 06:54 AM
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I think the CPS does stuff like this to prove they should exist. I don't know of any other reason they would do everything they can to ruin families. I don't know how CPS workers sleep at night.

It will take a big outcry for them to every change the policy. The parents are the guardians and should have final say what kind of medications their kids take period. It will be them who have to pay to see a doctor to treat the side effects.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 07:02 AM
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This is what we get when police officers are ex military taught to follow orders and don't think about what your are doing. I'm of the opinion that if you served in the combat arm of the military you should not be a "peace officer". This swat paramilitary, pretentious wannna be bs has to stop.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 07:29 AM
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Originally posted by coyotepoet
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its strange as in the uk we dont give kids these kinds of drugs and it is only ever adults who will end up on such things. we have had tv shows reporting on how kids are given prozac in the states and it is really shocking to learn the percentage of your kids that are regularly taking drugs of some kind or other for very minor problems such as adhd or ocd.


Yes, my bad. I should have said- Welcome to the police state, sponsored by Big Pharma


The police state only exists because people let it. So who's going to stand up for them. Why are there not thousands of people and families with bullhorns outside the cop shop and the court house? And millions at times?
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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 07:59 AM
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Just another example of people suffering at the hands of "agencies" who do not give a #^@& about you, me, or anyone. Only way to cure this is to de-fund these knuckleheads. But then not enough people really have to stomach to accept what it would take to accomplish that. Instead they will have their little protest, kick and scream a bit, until the next abuse of power. Sadly, i feel like the lesson to be learned from this, will once again be overlooked, for a bit of short term appeasement. Not like we haven't been there before..



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Large Fries, I'm just flabbergasted at your idea that Americans collectively have a right to dictate who gets to reproduce. You do sound like a proponent of eugenics. I hate to do this, but you know who did that in the 40's. And Margaret Sanger was a big proponent of that as well, as she recommended sterilization, especially for poor black women.


ThirdEyeofHorus, thank you for your post. Yes, I do firmly believe in eugenics. If you care to, and have the time, please read my replies to others regarding this. I apologize, but I find I'm repeatedly writing similar replies in this thread, and the content is relevant.
Please keep in mind that Mr. Hitler had a wide variety of programs underway during his reign. A.H. bastardized the purity of the positive aspects of eugenics. Many people are familiar with the horrors that took place in Germany/Europe in the 1940's, and this has left people with a bad taste in their mouth for what I feel is an important step in the improvement of society.
I do not advocate ethnic cleansing, castration or experimentation. I do feel very strongly that we are overdue to take responsibility for bringing healthy babies into the world to be parented by healthy, clear minded responsible adults.
Please, if you have a few moments, take a look at other replies I've posted in this thread. Thanks again for writing.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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CPS is full of sickos. Stealing children from perfectly ok parents, arent these morons suppose to be helping, taking a child from their parents is not helping, fixing the parents is helping, making everybody happy is helping, and ou yes it is possible. I guess everybodys gota eat huh, and some people just like to eat children, that or i dont know what they need all these children for, secret #ed up division like agents? But when it comes to these police men... these are weak pathetic excuses for men, this is so funny its sad. Id say this story is bull#, if it is not my level of giving a # about people just lowerd, ill cherry pick more. Even if it bs, iv red and herd so many of them to know that theres alot to it.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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I'd like to hear your expertise as to why children my not need their medication, Dr.Ointment.

Don't be so critical to insult someone. How many mental health cases have you sat in on?



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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What about this story hasn't been said already?

Rispederal is a dangerous, dangerous drug that can cause obesity, seizures, lactation, early puberty, sloth, dry mouth, trouble swallowing, constipation, etc.

When I first went on Rispederal at six, I became a zombie. Gradually, the effect wore off as I built up a tolerance. In my case it worked to keep away my meltdowns (because I am a high functioning autistic).

But why the heck would they even want to give her psychotropics? The kid seemed fine to me. We need to stop medicating our children. It is not natural and the long term health effects of them are UNKNOWN!



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by bricmpt
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Go see for yourself on medical websites, when you have finished reading every thing posted here on ATS. Medical websites, large ones, will have a section for Mental Health, broken into sub-sets. Read some of those posts. People that have mental illness that have full intentions of bringing children into the world post questions all the time. My guess is they think their family line is so grand that the world would suffer if they didn't bring more mental defectives into your society. To me this defies logical thinking - - - all the more reason that sane people should be making sure these births do not occur. Stop producing mentally ill babies and doctors can stop prescribing mental health medications.


Wow. I am flabbergasted. Read much Nitzsche? Member of the Nazi party? Will you allow cancer survivors to have kids (they would be genetically predisposed to cancer)? People with high blood pressure? What about susceptibility to allergies or bad menstrual cramps?

I can assume by your arrogance that you have been completely screened for all known genetic imperfections and have none. Furthermore, you MUST have a PhD in Psychology and have done your dissertation on the new research you have done that disproves the role of nurture in the development of mental illnesses.

How about this: grow a heart. Maybe start with owning a pet and not kicking it.


bricmpt, thank you for replying to my post. I'll admit, Nitzsche is an author I have not explored, so I am ignorant to their words. No, I'm not a member of the Nazi Party. If you read up on eugenics you'd see the science is an American one, later distorted and villainized in war time Germany.
You're making a large jump from the people I wrote of earlier to the people you are speaking of. There is a plethora of illnesses that affect the population which I did not mention due to their minimal impact.
I am arrogant in your opinion, not mine. Do you feel good from calling me names or using disrespectful terms? Is this how you treat everyone with whom you disagree?
I did not claim to have been screened for genetic imperfections. I made no claims to be better or worse than anyone. I was sharing my viewpoint. Just like everyone else that posted.
I did not mention my education or the degrees I may hold. Nor did I boast or brag about attending any school.
Your comment about growing a heart is hurtful and mean by intention. Is that what you like to do with your heart? You enjoy making people feel poorly about themselves for speaking their mind?
Your advice on pet ownership furthers how far off you are from having a clue about the person I am.
Like most people, I come here to exchange opinions and viewpoints. Thank you for sharing your own, in your own special way.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
reply to post by LargeFries
 



The reason America has so many children on mental health medications is because they need them.


You sad little person. How on this Earth can you possibly believe that?! Have you been completely and fully indoctrinated/ brainwashed by Big Pharma?

Honestly, it makes me so angry to read nonsense like that which you just posted, I now have to walk away from my computer and go for a cigarette. Cheers (not).

It beggars belief that such ignorance can be spouted on this site.



FlyInTheOintment that you for your reply. I apologize for shaking you up. I know how that feels too. There are times I can barely look at my CRT because my head is shaking while I fume with anger over something I've read. Believe me, I don't want to be "that guy". In my life I try to be a good person, and I don't intentionally say or do things to hurt or aggravate others. I was sharing my opinion, which indeed might be an unpopular one.

My comment was based on years of observing people in public places, hearing stories of childrens behavior and behavioral problems from both parents and teachers, televised documentaries I have watched and many articles I've read, online and elsewhere.

Call it ignorance if you so choose, but we both are allowed to post our opinions and viewpoints in this public forum. I'm sure you are aware that there are all sorts of people with all types of beliefs, opinions and philosophies. Because they do not agree with your own does not necessarily mean they are right, wrong, ignorant or well educated statements.

I'll admit I have caught a lot of response from stating my opinion in this thread, and I doubt I will ever share this section of my viewpoint with ATS readers again. Because my viewpoint differs from some other ATS members I've had a lot of negative terms thrown at me. If I wanted to troll flamers to get hate I would have posted mindless snark over on Fark.com . I respect ATS and their guidelines, and I post here to share ideas only.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
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The reason America has so many children on mental health medications is because they need them.


You sad little person. How on this Earth can you possibly believe that?! Have you been completely and fully indoctrinated/ brainwashed by Big Pharma?

Honestly, it makes me so angry to read nonsense like that which you just posted, I now have to walk away from my computer and go for a cigarette. Cheers (not).

It beggars belief that such ignorance can be spouted on this site.




Everyone has mental issues. If you say different then take some classes on it. Not trying to be rude, but half the kids in America don't need those medications depending on how bad of what they have. There on those medications so that the government can make money off of it. Have you noticed that Autism has shot right up? Population control, the food that we eat that the government has control over. They want kids to rely on medications and become addicted to them. Money in there pockets. Half of the kids that I have seen on those medications are all doped up on it and have absolutely no energy because they're freaking zombies. My brother was on those medications and it made him wayyy worse. It's not always the case, but a good majority of the time it is.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 03:47 AM
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Originally posted by LargeFries
Who gets to decide who is mentally ill? I'm confident you are aware that there is an entire medical field devoted to mental illness. There are psychiatrists around the world who attained multiple college Degrees on their way to becoming Psychiatrists. Practicing, licensed professionals, Doctors. They served internships. They can prescribe medication.


I am sure you're aware that many "mental health professionals" disagree on many points... Who has the final say?


I don't understand why you ask this question when you know the answer. I am assuming you're an adult that has attended basic schooling.


Yes. What has that to do with wondering who, in the final analysis, gets to decide who is insane?


Who gets to decide what sane is? Sanity only comes into question when behavior deviates far from the norm. Just an aside, why are Judges in an American Court of Law who may have no knowledge or training in psychiatry or mental illness allowed to declare whether or not a person is sane or insane? There's a legitimate worry. As it serves the Courts best interest, very rarely will we ever see a person declared insane. But I digress; let me get back on topic.


The "norm" itself is a slippery eel, and yes. There's my point. All kinds of people might be in charge of the final determination.


Who's right is it to take reproductive rights from others? What reproductive rights are you referring to? I've never heard of or read a document concerning the reproductive rights of Americans. Share with me, I'll read it. As far as taking reproductive rights from the mentally ill, physically incapable, inbreds, rapists, recidivists, hard drug abusers, multiple generation alcoholics, murderers, rapists and paedophiles, it is the right of every USA citizen who wants a better tomorrow for their country to see to it that the dream becomes reality.

Well, I believe it was you, was it not, advocating to strip "insane" people of reproductive rights... Or did I get confused here? And I will say you offer a very hard line and *I* won't be supporting it.


I'm not looking to sanitize or cleanse the population as your government does, with weapons of war. I'm not promoting we mutilate anyone's genitalia. I say let the people fark all they want. If you think mentally ill people having more mentally ill babies is a good idea, all I will say is "I don't agree". It's obvious your government does not care about you, and they do not mind if every person living in your neighborhood is a threat to your well being. My vision of a better tomorrow corrects the irresponsibility of today.


First, though there may be a propensity, there is no guarantee that any child will have the issues of the parents. And many normal behaviors are being labeled as "illnesses" (ADD, for example) so that the pharmaceutical companies can sell drugs. (Heh. Go after THOSE drugs, I tell you what!) And your vision looks rather Hitleresque.


Only the best thoroughbreds get to run at The Kentucky Derby. Mankind needs to return itself to this practice, doubly so for the USA. TPTB have done truly significant damage to the progress of the common man. The shambles this country is in today is because we let the manipulators use us as they see fit as we wallow in the madhouse of society that is their legacy. I refuse to accept this pile of turds America has become.


Well, I have no interest in the USA. I am an Ethical Planetarian. As such, I seek planetary solutions and not some divide-and-conquer state to get all weepy and "patriotic" about. I seek to better things for Humanity.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 05:23 PM
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Has there been any update on this? Some of the comments in the news story was looking like the girl had contracted some STD while in cps's care? Others said perhaps it pre-existed.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 06:39 PM
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Ok friends I have mentioned this kind of thing before as to why they can do what they want, to your children, how ever there is a light at the end of the tunnel, and you can prevent this from ever happening to you.

The reason you have no rights, and the solution to help free your family from this kind of political abuse can be found at the following links.

www.pacinlaw.org


www.notmygovernment.com

Good luck to us all, for we are truly facing one of the most dangerous times in American history, and possible the world.

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posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 07:25 PM
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Amazingly stupid cops acting like terrorists themselves..wow. This woman, a 56-year old woman, showed more balls than most men I've ever known. she did something extraordinary in today's america: she thought for herself, she stood up to "authority", she said no, and she was RIGHT. this woman stood up to a #ing swat team for 12 hours, with some kind of firearm(maybe), to protect her child from absolute tyranny. She relented, finally, and the "state" agreed the child didn't need the medication, which vindicates her right there. She stood up for herself and her family when most would have folded. she has backbone. she has spine. there are few people who deserve the title I'll be using when I refer to her, and people like her from now on..because so, so few deserve it. It's the modern version of a title that hearkens back to the knights of old..someone who stands up and fights for what's right no matter what, regardless of the odds, and WINS.

Maryanne Godboldo is a Gunslinger. May we all show such bravery.



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