Originally posted by Jinglelord
The actions of the electoral college are completely transparent and only at one time in history have they gone against popular vote. It was such an insignificant president I don't even recall which one now.
No, no they're not obliged to, well not in 24 of the 50 states. I recommend teriyaki sauce for that hat.
This whole business about some great conspiracy where we have no say is hogwash. In the modern world the electoral college is obliged to vote per the popular vote. If they ever stray I will eat my hat.
Originally posted by dethduck
We do not vote for our president. The whole thing is indeed a scam.
We all know that the president is chosen by the electoral college, yet did you know that there is no constitutional or federal law requiring electors to vote according to the popular vote?
There are however state laws requiring their electoral representatives to vote according to the popular vote...
...in only 26 states that is. The rest can vote however they please, though are expected to vote their party lines.
Now ask yourself this, even for those states with state law requirements to adhere to the popular vote, how many people in those states are aware of that and how much oversight do you think there actually is?
There is nothing, absolutely nothing that prevents any election from being bought and paid for by corporate lobbyists and party politics.
We, The People, are incidental.
Never kid yourself that you have any say.
Originally posted by Jinglelord
reply to post by dethduck
Ok so correct me if I'm wrong but the 2000 results were a function of Electoral College votes by state and population rather than an Elector ignoring the vote for his state.
So yes you are voting for how your states Electoral votes will be cast and not directly for the President. But I don't see how that nullifies your vote?
So again, in recent times, when has the Electoral college ignored the vote of the results from their state? You will not find more than one instance and it wasn't recent.
I do think the system is stupid by the way. I just don't think it is as bad as it is made out to be.
Originally posted by LargeFries
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter
I realized every dollar I spend is a vote. Spend effectively and let your voice be heard where it hits THEM: in the pocketbook. I stopped buying Exxon after they pissed it all over the Prince William Sound years ago. BP will never see a cent from us either. When I go to Wal-Mort I go for a specific need only; automatically grabbing a shopping cart is where I use to go wrong. It's those low, low prices that fooled me. I'd wind up bring home a cart full of Made In China guilt, dumping $124.99 that I didn't even have and wondering why. Screw that.
Same thing goes for small business that gives poor service. I don't go back to mechanics that screw me. Same for restaurants or diners that are over-priced, have lousy food or surly service. Maybe I'm getting old and grumpy. This I learned from a Colorado cowboy, and he was right: "It ain't what you make, it's how you spend it."
Make your dollar votes count!
Originally posted by gdaub23
reply to post by Jinglelord
but "THEY" would never let a third party independent win...they would pull what they did in Florida in 2000 that allowed Bush and mostly Cheney destroy this country...so whats the point?edit on 14-4-2011 by gdaub23 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by TheRemedial
The only thing that voting does is lend your power to the government. I would argue that if nearly everyone decides not to vote and this was shown to be the case, the first steps in abolishing the current political system would be complete. When the mass majority decides to not vote then you have clearly the ultimate showing of NO CONFIDENCE.