It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Do you think an alien can be summoned the same way as a ghost?

page: 2
2
<< 1   >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 10:41 AM
link   
I have read many a time about how, supposedly, the E.T.s are spiritually intuned, and the way they can travel to galaxies quickly is through projecting themselves.

Then again isn't this forum full of nut cases?

I have read a lot of that too.


even in the forum
edit on 14-4-2011 by EL1A5 because: (no reason given)




posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 11:32 AM
link   
I agree playing with ghost seance or the ouija board can be dangerous, I have learned the hard way, nothing serious, but there are forces out there...


reply to post by Nobama
 



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 11:37 AM
link   

Originally posted by DC449
Go stand outside and chant Yahweh, lol

www.youtube.com...



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 11:54 AM
link   
reply to post by thewrongpath
 


So let me get this straight. You are inviting the aliens that you obviously know very little about to visit you? So then what do you think is going to happen ? Let me help you with that part.

They may very well show up and have a little chat which will amount to nothing more than pure B.S. Then once that your silly(from their perspective)questions are answered they will do a mind scan on you to extract all your information to be used against you in a type of psychological sort of way perhaps during other visits. Then if your a man they will take a semen sample from you to be used how ever "they" see fit and with out your permission.
If your a woman they may install a gestation unit inside you to be used to gestate a hybrid fetus at a later date. Then when they are all done they will do a mind wipe on you and you won't remember any of it. Well maybe they will place a screen memory in your mind so you remember the event they way "they" want you to remember it. You'll come here talking about how wonderful they are and spout the lies they placed in your mind as if it's all warm and fuzzy. But not realizing that you just got robbed of a part of your "being" and deceived all in just a short visit with them...Heck you may not even remember it at all.

So I ask you.. Is that what you really want to sign up for and invite the DNA Rebels in to your life to do to you? Really? You better do some really fast waking up is all I have to say...



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 05:17 PM
link   
I first encountered the theory that 'extraterrestrials' are actually demons/devils/jinn from Roger Morneau.

Roger Morneau (Former Elite Luciferian);
"It’s the master's (Lucifer) grand plan for harvesting the multitudes of the earth into his cause, just before the close of the great controversy between the forces of good and evil. It’s going to be done in an unique manner. The spirits will declare themselves to be the inhabitants of far distant planets of the galaxies. They will claim that they have come to warn the inhabitants of planet earth of the impending destruction of earth, unless certain things are done to avoid it. Spirits will show themselves willing to give valuable guidance that will not only help people avoid the destruction of the planet, but it will also promise humanity a higher state of existence." [A Trip Into The Supernatural (Interview 1991)]

A Trip Into The Supernatural [PDF]


I have read many claims of summoning demons and angels. I never tried it, because I know the spiritual world exists, and I do not want to call on something of which I have no knowledge. If we accept that 'demons' are real and can be summoned, then we tie it in with what Roger Morneau said, then it might very well explain Prophet Yahweh. Prophet Yahweh can summon ufos, whether actual or hoaxed I do not know.





posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 05:31 PM
link   
i personaly beilef that aliens are flesh and blood creatures, and cant be summend like ghosts



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 06:57 PM
link   

Originally posted by EL1A5
I have read many a time about how, supposedly, the E.T.s are spiritually intuned, and the way they can travel to galaxies quickly is through projecting themselves.

Then again isn't this forum full of nut cases?

I have read a lot of that too.


even in the forum
edit on 14-4-2011 by EL1A5 because: (no reason given)


Thanks for making the point. Bear in mind that that it's nut cases that push the boundaries of science . All great inventions and insights come from them. Then the scientists come along and incorporate the new knowledge and understanding within their square , rigid system.

I believe that ETs are from the astral and project themselves. I also believe that they are no good.

Rather than treat my belief as that of a nut case, perhaps the scientific community should investigate the power of the mind a bit more. Why spend billions to send a piece of metal to the moon when you can travel for free by unleashing the power of the mind. In any case the piece of metal itself ( I mean the space capsule ) is only an illusion.



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 11:06 PM
link   
Well, an iphone app.(which is probably a game anyway) won't summon a ghost or alien. I also don't believe they can be summoned the same way, or even if to "summon" an alien at all. To say they come and go as they please, you can't "ask" them appear. They might be able to pick up on our language, or they might see it as a threat. It's different than channeling or evping with a spirit. Though, maybe can pick up sounds in an area where aliens/ufos are commonly sighted, such as with used on Destination Truth, a parabolic dish.
edit on 14-4-2011 by dreamingawake because: added.

edit on 14-4-2011 by dreamingawake because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 12:53 AM
link   
OP, why don't you show me how to summon a ghost first, and then we'll talk about summoning UFOs.

Seriously. Write down the procedure for summoning ghosts. I will do it and report back to see what I get.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 05:15 AM
link   

Originally posted by TrueBrit
reply to post by Scissorville
 


You cannot remember one shred of information from the scientific community which has been important to the cause?? Do you believe then, that the discovery of planets outside our solar system, orbiting stars at a distance which we on Earth would find familiar, and countless others outside OUR understanding of the ideal orbital distance from thier stars means NOTHING? Do you believe that the discovery of beings on our own world that force us to re draw our understanding of the ingredients for life, means NOTHING in terms of the possibility of life in the universe, and intelligent life at that? You count all this as mere fluff?

Those discoveries and others over the last decade amount to more actual evidence for the existance of intelligent life in the universe, than all the chanting and untestable prattle of the cultists by a LONG way! Every exoplanet discovered is another weight on the balance, tipping toward probability supporting our long held belief that there is intelligent life in the universe, and every lifeform we discover that survives what we consider impossible circumstances of living , adds yet another token to the scale in our favour.The discovery of what could be microbial life on meteor rock also tips the balance our way, not just in the eyes of investigators who already suspect that aliens exist, but in the minds of scientists themselves. These weights on our side are far heavier than heresay and rumour, which is all that can be gained by less technologicaly and scientificaly recognised means.

Recognise the boons that science has provided or not, they are there. If we want actual proof of the existance of intelligent life in the universe in our lifetimes, it is not cultism and apostasy which will provide it, but far more logical tools, the ones that have already given us so much. Those who wield these tools, are clamouring for the feild of UFO research to clean up its act and get rid of the shamans so that they can justify risking thier careers and respect on our cause, without being associated with hippies and mediums, and quite rightly too. We must assist them in this, because it is the best way forward to gain the support of all the fields of hard science, and get down to serious research, which quite frankly cannot continue when psuedo religions are springing up like a plauge throughout our field, muddying the already confusing waters of this whole issue.



Whoa, whoa. We were talking ufology, were we not? If we werent, let me specify, that when it comes to spirits, aliens and UFOs - my faith is with the esoteric researchers. Not because I don't appreciate the established scientific community, but because most are under government control and ultimately underfunded, when it comes to this kind of research.

I also think it is commendable, what people have done on their own initiatives concerning this particular subject. If it werent for a lot of brave souls, savantes, mediums, psychics, shamans and laymen - we would be far worse off, information wise, than we are now. That does not at all mean I don't recognize, nor appreciate, what hard science has accomplished over the years.

I do believe, though, that the alternative approach to this field, has uncovered more truth, than the various news of microbes and fossils in space has done. Both are equally important, though, obviously.


You seem founded in science and rationality, yes? I respect that, but I am of the conviction, that no one should leave out one or the other, but try to incorporate the two sides of knowledge into one understanding of our reality and the various entities therein. I'd suggest you embrace the other side too.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 08:04 AM
link   

Originally posted by Scissorville
Whoa, whoa. We were talking ufology, were we not? If we werent, let me specify, that when it comes to spirits, aliens and UFOs - my faith is with the esoteric researchers.

Faith and unbiased investigation are not compatible with one another in the LEAST! It was thinkers of a faithful disposition who insisted the Earth was the centre of the universe, and had one of the greatest minds in the history of astronomy under house arrest for believing otherwise!! What use is an insistance on relying on methods which promote fallacy??


Not because I don't appreciate the established scientific community, but because most are under government control and ultimately underfunded, when it comes to this kind of research.

The reason that serious scientists , the foremost minds in the world , do not put thier weight behind the UFOlolgy community, is specificaly and SOLELY because they cannot enter the feild without being beset by mystics and fanatics, already convinced of thier "truths" and set against anything one can prove with a test tube or a telescope. The issue of government control over scientists is rather less of a block , than this issue. Entering into our field of thinking , while it is populated by those who cannot fail to damage the credibility of the subject, ENSURES that funding will be minimal! It could not be any other way, while charlatans rule this domain! No one in thier right mind would fund or part fund an investigation which at any moment could be attacked or denied credibility by people prepared to make unsubstantiated claims after all.



I also think it is commendable, what people have done on their own initiatives concerning this particular subject.


I agree, there are independant laymen who have done much work and put in much effort on the subject. There was a fellow on here who built a ten foot telescope with infra red, night vision, and thermal imaging capabilities, as well as a video recorder, and a turn table and elevator arm all controled electronicaly, and linked to a gps based star finder. It also had motion tracking and other features. He got top end results from his home brewed kit, showing all of us what can be achieved in ones own backyard. HE was a hero for anyone who ever thought of watching the skies properly.



If it werent for a lot of brave souls, savantes, mediums, psychics, shamans and laymen - we would be far worse off, information wise, than we are now.


And here we are again. What these people have done is provided unproven, unverifiable tales, which in terms of a serious investigation, which requires substantiated fact, physical evidence, chemical analysis, and so on, is of no use what so ever. These things will not get the foremost experts in DNA analysis, astronomers, physicists or anyone else of note involved with our project, our subject matter, or our debates.



That does not at all mean I don't recognize, nor appreciate, what hard science has accomplished over the years.


I think if you understood the implications of what the scientific community does, specificaly regarding the exploration of space, you would realise that thier methods give thier results far more potency , and make them of far more use as working facts, than the "alternative" methods, which again ,cannot be verified by those operating outside the mystic circles in which these alleged pioneers are moving !!



I do believe, though, that the alternative approach to this field, has uncovered more truth, than the various news of microbes and fossils in space has done. Both are equally important, though, obviously.

But thats the point isnt it? Science can prove things, it can show its work, it can provide physical proofs, and describe its path from investigation to enlightenment , but faith based methods are actualy incapable of ANYTHING of that sort. You might be able to say that you have contacted a species from outside our understanding, but until there is some blood, saliva, or hair , or scales or what have you to PROVE something was with you, NONE of your work has value to anyone who is not thinking like you do.
However , science is INTERNATIONALY respected! Even nations which are so thorougly rooted in faith that speaking out against thier deity in public can get you killed, respect and accept the word of science in many things, medicine for instance.



You seem founded in science and rationality, yes? I respect that, but I am of the conviction, that no one should leave out one or the other, but try to incorporate the two sides of knowledge into one understanding of our reality and the various entities therein. I'd suggest you embrace the other side too.



I have a faith. I have no lack of respect for belief, religion, and deep rooted culture. I have ,for instance, more respect for the Celtic peoples of pre Roman Britain, than I do for the imperialist war machine that my wonderful nation became after the Roman invasion. I have enormous respect and admiration for Jesus Christ, far more than I have for any leader or teacher of modern days.
But faith is something to live by in your soul, and your heart. It has no place in investigation, because it places bias upon ones findings automaticaly, regardless of how much effort may be put into avoiding it. It is inevitable.
The cold tools of science are significantly less prone to such things. If we want answers we can rely on, we need to get scientists out from under the government control they are under, and to do this our field of interest must be cleansed of madness and zealotry, so that any results of our labours bear untainted fruit, and our information can then resolve into accepted truth, something which will NEVER HAPPEN, if we allow cultism, faith, and shamanism to occupy its domain within the field.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 09:52 AM
link   

Originally posted by TrueBrit

Originally posted by Scissorville
Whoa, whoa. We were talking ufology, were we not? If we werent, let me specify, that when it comes to spirits, aliens and UFOs - my faith is with the esoteric researchers.

Faith and unbiased investigation are not compatible with one another in the LEAST! It was thinkers of a faithful disposition who insisted the Earth was the centre of the universe, and had one of the greatest minds in the history of astronomy under house arrest for believing otherwise!! What use is an insistance on relying on methods which promote fallacy??


Not because I don't appreciate the established scientific community, but because most are under government control and ultimately underfunded, when it comes to this kind of research.

The reason that serious scientists , the foremost minds in the world , do not put thier weight behind the UFOlolgy community, is specificaly and SOLELY because they cannot enter the feild without being beset by mystics and fanatics, already convinced of thier "truths" and set against anything one can prove with a test tube or a telescope. The issue of government control over scientists is rather less of a block , than this issue. Entering into our field of thinking , while it is populated by those who cannot fail to damage the credibility of the subject, ENSURES that funding will be minimal! It could not be any other way, while charlatans rule this domain! No one in thier right mind would fund or part fund an investigation which at any moment could be attacked or denied credibility by people prepared to make unsubstantiated claims after all.



I also think it is commendable, what people have done on their own initiatives concerning this particular subject.


I agree, there are independant laymen who have done much work and put in much effort on the subject. There was a fellow on here who built a ten foot telescope with infra red, night vision, and thermal imaging capabilities, as well as a video recorder, and a turn table and elevator arm all controled electronicaly, and linked to a gps based star finder. It also had motion tracking and other features. He got top end results from his home brewed kit, showing all of us what can be achieved in ones own backyard. HE was a hero for anyone who ever thought of watching the skies properly.



If it werent for a lot of brave souls, savantes, mediums, psychics, shamans and laymen - we would be far worse off, information wise, than we are now.


And here we are again. What these people have done is provided unproven, unverifiable tales, which in terms of a serious investigation, which requires substantiated fact, physical evidence, chemical analysis, and so on, is of no use what so ever. These things will not get the foremost experts in DNA analysis, astronomers, physicists or anyone else of note involved with our project, our subject matter, or our debates.



That does not at all mean I don't recognize, nor appreciate, what hard science has accomplished over the years.


I think if you understood the implications of what the scientific community does, specificaly regarding the exploration of space, you would realise that thier methods give thier results far more potency , and make them of far more use as working facts, than the "alternative" methods, which again ,cannot be verified by those operating outside the mystic circles in which these alleged pioneers are moving !!



I do believe, though, that the alternative approach to this field, has uncovered more truth, than the various news of microbes and fossils in space has done. Both are equally important, though, obviously.

But thats the point isnt it? Science can prove things, it can show its work, it can provide physical proofs, and describe its path from investigation to enlightenment , but faith based methods are actualy incapable of ANYTHING of that sort. You might be able to say that you have contacted a species from outside our understanding, but until there is some blood, saliva, or hair , or scales or what have you to PROVE something was with you, NONE of your work has value to anyone who is not thinking like you do.
However , science is INTERNATIONALY respected! Even nations which are so thorougly rooted in faith that speaking out against thier deity in public can get you killed, respect and accept the word of science in many things, medicine for instance.



You seem founded in science and rationality, yes? I respect that, but I am of the conviction, that no one should leave out one or the other, but try to incorporate the two sides of knowledge into one understanding of our reality and the various entities therein. I'd suggest you embrace the other side too.



I have a faith. I have no lack of respect for belief, religion, and deep rooted culture. I have ,for instance, more respect for the Celtic peoples of pre Roman Britain, than I do for the imperialist war machine that my wonderful nation became after the Roman invasion. I have enormous respect and admiration for Jesus Christ, far more than I have for any leader or teacher of modern days.
But faith is something to live by in your soul, and your heart. It has no place in investigation, because it places bias upon ones findings automaticaly, regardless of how much effort may be put into avoiding it. It is inevitable.
The cold tools of science are significantly less prone to such things. If we want answers we can rely on, we need to get scientists out from under the government control they are under, and to do this our field of interest must be cleansed of madness and zealotry, so that any results of our labours bear untainted fruit, and our information can then resolve into accepted truth, something which will NEVER HAPPEN, if we allow cultism, faith, and shamanism to occupy its domain within the field.



I think we are in a kind of stalemate now, perhaps somewhat due to misinterpretation, or lack of proper explaining on my part. Let me try and be more clear.


I love science. I love the thorrough approach to trial and error, to produce an end result, that is, without any doubt, the status quo of reality as we know it. We need it. Hey - we need that MORE than we need the counterpart (laymen and esoteric researchers), because, as you say, science will sway the world to its truths.

When that is established, let me just obliterate the faith part in this discussion. I don't do faith. I'm an agnostic and I need to see a pattern, when it comes to research and proof of various theorys.

Such patterns can be found through alternative means, as it can be found through science, would you agree? Or would you claim all other aspects of research, outside of the established scientific community, are simply people claiming to experience something?

I notice the charlatans, but I also notice "laymen"/semi professionals doing absolutely stunningly accurate and thorrough readings of anything from weather occurrences to how mice behave in the dark. We have an extensive community out there, gifted by knowledge and technology, capable of lending a helping hand to the "official" scientific community, wouldn't you agree to that? At least you know 1 example of a layman, building that antenna you mentioned. I applaud such initiative and I want to use that as an example of precisely such semi professionalistic work being done, with a substantial ammount of evidence to support the work afterwards. I'll use this example to make sure you know what I mean. I'm not talking faith here. I'm talking amateur science.

I get the feeling you simply don't trust neither mediums, nor psychics, nor pretty much anyone with no microscope in their hand. Not trying to be patronizing, really, cause I can understand such apprehensiveness (spelling?). I do believe, however, that you can extract tremendously important data from just these alternative professions. You can find rational patterns in these lines of work. You CAN'T put proof of a shaman shifting to a different dimension into a glass tube, shake it and see where he went with coordinates, but you CAN find patterns. Why disregard such pioneer work? Is that not exactly what this is, pioneer work?

Before we grasped just the faintest ideas within quantum mechanics, we laughed at people who claimed the same theories were true. We wouldn't acknowledge what they claimed were provable sciences, because the work was metaphysical and etheric in nature. Now, that we are able to comprehend the nature of such research even if just barely, a new branch is available within physics - quantum dynamics. Would that science have occurred without those pioneers dabbling in alternative arts? Most certainly it would. Can we gain from bringing those two sides together in research - you bet we can and bridging that gab is already a reality.

Holistic healing is bridging the gap to the scientific medical establishment, as is acupuncture. Just a handful of years ago it would have been unthinkable, simply due to the fact, that we did not know both parties had an actual good grip on how to fix people from diseases.


Before I go entirely off course here - let me just say, that we should not act elitist towards sciences that seem to do progress, even though we don't necessarily understand the reasons for such sciences to actually MAKE progress. History has taught us that we truly have a very rigid understanding of how reality works. Personally, I am convinced that quantum mechanics, just to mention one branch of science, will actually prove to us, in time, what exactly spirits/aliens are, what exactly paranormal occurrences are and why it took us hundreds of years to acknowledge, that there are actually a lot we can do to approach science, WITHOUT a microscope in our hands.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 11:04 AM
link   
reply to post by thewrongpath
 


Greetings, thewrongpath. I am one of those who sees the dead on occasion. I have had several real time experiences with a "dead person," and have learned a thing or two about their world. I don't think that all, or just any Ghost can appear in apparition to a living being. Some, however, can, and do. There are many stories of this, all throughout history. some have even made a good living calling up a dead spirit.

Their world is like a scene from a Star Trek film......


They do not call it by a name, but I have began to do so, for lack of a better, more descriptive word. The dead live in the 4th dimension of time and space. there is no conception of time there, and no one know how long they have been there. Whatever one thinks, happens. Just like in the movie scene, your world, your reality is what you make it. You can have your family, friends, and anyone who passed on before you. I do not really know how to get out, once in, but one can get out, I am assured of this.

The most realistic experience I have had was with my Grandfather. This happened about a year or so ago. I was in bed, laying awake and trying to get to sleep. I closed my eyes, then open them, and I was standing in a place that seemed not of this Earth, all was black and without definition or scenery. As I peered out into the darkness, I saw a car coming toward me, it was a 1951 Ford Custom Sedan. It stopped, and out stepped my Grandfather, who passed in 1962 of cancer. Grandpa had this '51 Ford, and he prized it. He would polish it, and work on it almost daily, even after he got sick.
He walked up to me and took my hand in his. I looked into his face, and he appeared to be about 30, the lines I remembered were gone, as was the constant cough from Black Lung. He was healthy. He bade me to get into the car, and we rode for what seemed like hours. We talked in depth about the many problems of the world, and he asked my why men still dig for the coal when so many free energy devices existed? He showed me some things, things I cannot talk about, but if you read my posts you can gather what it is from what I say about those who live underground. When it was over, I got out of that car, and said goodbye. I asked about Grandma, and he assured me she was there with him. He told me this was the only time he could come like this, and that I would be joining his soon. How long is soon? I asked. He replied, "There is no time here, I do not know how long. Soon."

Now you can believe that or not, makes no difference to me either way. I am certain that I am not alone here, I know several others who have had this experience. He was not a demon in disguise, and he was not an alien in disguise. He said things that sparked my memory of times past, when I was a little boy. I am looking forward to seeing him again.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 01:37 PM
link   
I think this is dangerous territory and you need at least someone who can tell you what you need for protection. It seems like there are many different races outthere and some are very evil or at least violent beings though be careful what you wish for. Believe me it´s a very frightening and scary experience and by no means funny. Don´t mess with anything you know nothing about Do some explicit research and don´t do it alone. If you are afraid or have any doubt just leave it.

Ps: This post was for all the people who really think about doing such thing.




top topics



 
2
<< 1   >>

log in

join