reply to post by bigyin
If you'll see my post, that's not exactly what I'm saying. All I'm saying that I have a right to defend myself against people who have time and
again proven that they prefer to attack civilians and not combatants... I am sure you do not condone the intentional targeting of civilians... (as
opposed to un-intentional)
My bringing examples of other places was to show that Israel is sometimes held to an impossible standard, I mean, the world is not a nice place, most
countries around the world torture and do unspeakable crap, but when Israel does it the world is in an uproar... I mean, why hasn't the world shouted
at what the Chinese are doing to the Tibeten people?! are the chinese less advanced then Israel? no... they just have more power... what about the
Russians and the Chechen people, or what happend in summer of 2008 (I think) with Georgia (where the Russians attacked...) you don't see the "UN's
Human Right Council" convening and attacking that... I just don't want there to be a double standard... if you (i.e. any country in the world) want
to attack my actions, fine... but be prepared to hold yourself to the same standard.
I don't agree with your statement one bit, I am sorry. I actually live here, you can't equate what Israel is doing to murdering children in bed (and
yes, it was Arabs) or firing a rocket at a schoolbus (again, yes it was them). There is no moral equation I can see between intentional attacks on
civilians and un-intentional civilian casualties that stem from agression against Israel...
You call what Israel is doing terror? how can targeting the combatants of an enemy be called terror? do you consider what NATO is doing (badly I must
say) in Libya terror? or what the US and UK do in Iraq or Afghanistan terror? attacking combatants (even though they hide behind civilians which is a
war crime unto itself) is completely acceptable... remember, Hamas does not recognize the right of Jews or Israelis to live... they want all Jews
(myself included) DEAD. So, they are the enemy, and I am allowed to kill an enemy while at war with him... I fail to see how that qualifies as
Israel has a democratically elected government (unlike all of those in the region), and my point about the palestinians owning up to what their
elected government does is true for us... in two years there's another elections, and if Israelis don't like where things are going they can replace
the government! that's my whole point... you elect a government, and it's your responsibility to own up to what that government does.
Look at this example - Germans elected Hitler, Hitler starts WW II, Germany gets demolished, millions die. Should the Germans now start blowing
themselves up in NY or other places because the Americans attacked them?! (The Germans never directly hit the US, only sunk supply ships to the UK as
far as I know) no, Germans elected Hitler, Hitler was insane, Hitler nearly destroyed the world, the Germans quietly and shamefully work to erase that
from their past... THAT is my point...
oh, and terror? the Dresden bombing by the allies in 1944 I believe took the lives of 250,000 (!) civilians!!! and you call what Israel is doing in
Gaza murder? you do know that with our army, it should take us about 15 minutes to make Gaza turn into a parking lot... and we wouldn't need one
single ground soldier for that... but Israel will never do such a thing - a terrorist state would have done so a long long time ago... I mean, all
those people shouting "genocide" just don't know what genocide really is... yes, there's war, yes there are mistaks on the Israeli side that are
terrible, and you always see the Israeli side take responsibility, and learn. Why doesn't the other side do the same?!