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Trump Uncovers TruthAbout Obama/AKA-(Barry Soetoro)Obama Is Not His Real Name. He's A Fraud

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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 08:37 AM
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It’s curious how the birthers vehemently deny any motivations for this pursuit other than wishing the “Constitution to be upheld,” but then post things like “there are pics floating around of Stanley Ann in nothing but high heels,” accusations of Obama being a muslim, or being ineligible because he had dual citizenship.

All of these things are, of course, completely immaterial to the question of eligibility.

The first one doesn’t even deserve a comment, the second — being a muslim — even if it were true is irrelevant as is the false issue of dual citizenship.

When the birthers read or hear things like “US law doesn’t recognize dual citizenship,” they think this means it disqualifies Obama. What it means, actually, is that if a person has US citizenship, even if it has other citizenship, that person is treated like a US citizen, and that other citizenship is of no consequence to US law.

It’s so ironic the birthers raise the question of “foreign influences” when talking about Obama’s dual citizenship, his alleged muslim faith, or having spent some time in foreign countries, but believe that by automatic operation of foreign law — being born with some other citizenship — would render a US-born person ineligible to be President of the United States.

The birthers only believe foreign law trumps US law because, of course, it reinforces their beliefs and ‘feelings’ about Obama, that he can’t legitimately be President. Otherwise, as we’ve seen, they vehemently condemn any “foreign influences.” Not in this case, no.

Obama, to the birthers, is like a singularity — logic, common sense and the standard and known laws simply cease to work when applied to him.

According to these absurd birther beliefs, I guess the only thing that has saved us is other countries’ ignorance, because if Iran, for example, gets knowledge of this, all they have to do is pass laws declaring everyone born in the United States as having Iranian citizenship, disqualifying practically all Americans from being President!

At one point, one struggles to find words to describe the absurd nature of the birther beliefs.



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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by MajorKarma
There is no point in my listing all the reasons this is true, the same people will pop up with their same BS to defend him but, I have said my piece.


No point? 2 years in now and you are all still going on and on about his birth certificate because apparently you are having a hard time explaining what he is doing so wrong as president. Great point in this thread. You could say some stuff, but you won't and you just wanted to make sure you informed everyone you could...even though you are not going to.


Originally posted by Amperage
Funny, I know quite a few African Americans who don't like Obama, want to see a birth Cert, and think Bush Jr was the best Pres ever. I guess that would blow your beliefs out of the water?
Sure ya do. I do not even know any white republicans that think that.


Originally posted by Flighty
reply to post by weedwhacker
 


I think those who don't understand the birther movement don't get why Trump released the HOSPITAL version of his live birth.
This is the HOSPITAL BIRTH RECORD that the Birthers want to see of OBAMAS.
Thats the one that hasn't been supplied by Obama that proves WHICH HOSPITAL IN HAWAII he was born.
Its the original HOSPITAL DOCUMENT that would prove once and for all that Obama was born in Hawaii at a certain hospital.

You were obviously not paying attention. The "hospital" BC that Trump showed us was quickly pointed out as NOT A LEGAL DOCUMENT which is why he had to go back and get his other birth certificate.


Trump has proved that he has one and it proves which hospital he was born in.


Hospitals do not generate birth certificates. The Department of Health does. Again, this was pointed out to Trump. Trump Produces Wrong Birth Certificate

But after several New York City-based readers contacted POLITICO’s Maggie Haberman, her call to city officials revealed that an actual birth certificate, which is issued by the Department of Health, would have the agency’s seal and also a signature of the city registrar – neither of which the Trump document has

I am starting to think most birthers no longer want to be taken seriously.


His official birth certificate that he uses ordinarily would look like the one Obama released.
I think the fact that this is THE document of Obamas, that people want to see, has been lost on a lot of people.

Clearly that is not what is being lost on people and your last statement makes little sense. His official birth certificate that he uses ordinarily? Would look like Obama's but Obamas is not official? I am confused.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 09:11 AM
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If that's a copy of what Trumps parents were given then that is what they were given, by the hospital.
Is it Trumps fault that it didn't have seals etc on it?
If that's what parents who had babies at that Jamaica Hospital were given at the time of his birth, then that doesn't discount it being legit at all.

And it seems those who are agree with the party line are using the exact same tactics as Birthers did to try and discredit Trump. THE IRONY. I thought that was being desperate and being stupid etc etc.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by BiggyMcBigPants
The source website looks completely unbiased and legit.
2nd line


right...sure it does....funny how there is nothing bad about the tea party or conservatives on that website....only liberals, democrats, big government, etc.
why do you out and out lie, when it's so easy to check?



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 09:39 AM
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No point? 2 years in now and you are all still going on and on about his birth certificate because apparently you are having a hard time explaining what he is doing so wrong as president. Great point in this thread. You could say some stuff, but you won't and you just wanted to make sure you informed everyone you could...even though you are not going to.



Having a hard time explaining what hes doing so wrong as a President.........Are you serious?

You would either have to believe the Pres is the next messiah, or be on his payroll NOT to see what hes doing wrong as a president!

This guy is so out of touch with reality its not even funny! All one has to do is watch his press coverage lately, the guy is so flippant about whats going on in the US that its sickening...........he doesnt care.....watch how he reacts to the press and to questions.....he really doesnt give two craps.....

case in point "If youre driving a vehicle that gets 8 miles to the gallon then i guess you better go buy another vehicle" are you serious? Im sorry mr.president, but if youve been paying attention to the unemployment situation and the crapper your cronies have drove us down, you might understand why some people dont have the JOB or the MONEY to go buy a new vehicle......

hes completely tone deaf to the American People and what hes suppose to be doing.......

Im sorry but i cant even believe that you would make the statement , tha tpeople are having a hard to finding what hes doing wrong as POTUS.....
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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 09:39 AM
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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 09:46 AM
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Originally posted by Flighty
reply to post by Sinnthia
 


If that's a copy of what Trumps parents were given then that is what they were given, by the hospital.
Is it Trumps fault that it didn't have seals etc on it?


Trumps fault? What the hell? Listen up. I can not make this any more clear for you.

Originally posted by Sinnthia

Hospital baby footprint certificates cannot be used as a legal document.
Tri-county Health Department
Will you acknowledge this or just deflect and insult? I am betting maybe ignore.
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Are you paying attention?


Originally posted by Flighty
If that's what parents who had babies at that Jamaica Hospital were given at the time of his birth, then that doesn't discount it being legit at all.


Yes it does because of the very fact that it was issued by the hospital. What do you not get? That is not a legal document of any kind. Hospitals do not generate birth certificates. Either refute or accept it. Those are the only choices a rational person would make.

Originally posted by Sinnthia

But after several New York City-based readers contacted POLITICO’s Maggie Haberman, her call to city officials revealed that an actual birth certificate, which is issued by the Department of Health,



Originally posted by Flighty
And it seems those who are agree with the party line are using the exact same tactics as Birthers did to try and discredit Trump. THE IRONY. I thought that was being desperate and being stupid etc etc.


Do not worry, you are.

Most hospitals in the U.S. issue a souvenir birth certificate which typically includes the footprints of the newborn. However, these birth certificates are not legally accepted as proof of age or citizenship, and are frequently rejected by the Bureau of Consular Affairs during passport applications. Many Americans believe these souvenir records to be their official birth certificate, when in reality it holds little legal value.
Birth Certificate

Now if you can demonstrate that you can read, comprehend, then refute or accept reality then your last sentence may or may not turn out to be right.


BE HONEST FOR A CHANGE and actually acknowledge the FACTS people are giving you. I cannot believe that you birthers that just repeat lies and rumors do not realize you are not winning any converts but only preaching to the choir.
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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by hawaii50th

Originally posted by Nervoso
Also, am I missing something? I was pretty sure his Hawaiian birth certificate was shown as legit? Beyond a doubt. Why is this even a conversation anymore?

Please read this article, you may not hold snopes.com as a "reliable" source but they cite all the info provided as well as links. The citations are at the bottom.

www.snopes.com...

Cased closed, really.
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Snopes is not the gospel of truth, it has been known to lie for purposes as you state.


Snopes has absolutely zero political biased and to sit there and accuse them of such disproves your case.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by Section31
reply to post by hawaii50th
 

Its an interesting read. However, where is the guys proof?

Title of article: "TRUMP UNCOVERS TRUTH ABOUT OBAMA/AKA-(BARRY SOETORO)OBAMA IS NOT HIS REAL NAME. HE'S A FRAUD"

Okay, we have a thesis for a theory. Our next step is to see the proof. Within the article in which you provided, the writer does not indicate specifically where this information can be found. Where are the links? Where is the evidence? Where are Trump's exact words?
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The issue with this is that the Barry Soetoro crap was shot down and disproven in Ear 2008 and to bring this up again means the one with the deficiency is you.

There is no damn conspiracy.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by hawaii50th
It's no different than the ones that are denying Obama is not legit, that he was really born in Hawaii.


Yes. It is VERY different. Obama has proven that he was born in Hawaii.
Our Congress voted unanimously that he was born in Hawaii.
Every piece of credible evidence points to the fact that he was born in Hawaii.

The birthers present suspicion, questions, rumors, lies, innuendo and false accusations and assumptions... WITH NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER.

It is VERY different.


Ben,

It's something that roots from Nazi Germany when they issued a massive propoganda campaign to get everyone to turn against Jews and non Germans and that is if you repeat a lie enough times idiots will eventually believe it.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh
 


So then you agree that this is a non-issue perpetuated by the DNC to distract from he Obama Admin's real problems?


This is nothing but a ploy to keep everyone distracted enough so that TPTB can take over and ruin whatever is left of this great nation. Keep the idiots distracted with this lie all while taking their jobs from them just so that they can believe that Obama cost them their jobs and not greedy corporations doing the bidding of TPTB.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 10:45 AM
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My apologies for jumping into the discussion rather late. However, I found this quote and thought it rather odd frankly:


President Obama publicly addressed the birther issue for the first time on Thursday, saying it is not a good strategy for Republicans because it will backfire in the general election. Obama’s comments came during an interview with ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos, when he was asked about potential GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump’s birther-fueled rise in the polls. “I think that over the last two and a half years, there’s been an effort to go at me in a way that is politically expedient in the short term for Republicans but creates I think a problem for them when they want to actually run in the general election, where most people feel pretty confident the president was born where he says he was, in Hawaii,” Obama answered. “He doesn’t have horns.” Obama said the American people are thinking: “We want to know his plan on gas prices but we’re not really worrying about conspiracy theories or birth certificates and so I think it presents a problem for them.”


Source: rokdrop.com...

The reason I find it interesting is once again Obama refuses to come out and say he could disprove this theory. Rather, he goes on to say that "most people believe the President was born in Hawaii". In my opinion, the two are very different.

Obama fuels the fire for the birthers all the time -- the question of course is why? If I were Obama, and I knew I was facing an uphill battle for reelection, I would get rid of this issue as soon as possible by saying something like -- "Let them move forward with this since I have all of the documents needed to put this to rest once and for all".

I'm not saying he would have to show them or anything, I just find it interesting that he continues to skirt the direct question and opts instead to speak in vague generalities and "the people will believe what I tell them to believe" kind of nonsense.

I also find it interesting that he simply states Americans care more about gas than birth certificates. It was an odd way to phrase his last statement in my opinion. Just sayin'.
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posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by SlyingFaucers
me dunn funded themm here numburs on the interwebs and dunn finded them heers interestating butt i dont reed good



Susan Nordyke was born at 2:12 p.m. Hawaii time and was given No. 151 – 61 – 10637, which was filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.

Gretchen Nordyke followed at 2:17 p.m. and was given No. 151 – 61 – 10638, which was also filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.

According to a version of Obama's purported short-form certificate available from FactCheck.org, Obama was given a higher registration number than the Nordyke twins. The online image indicates the number is No. 151 – 1961 – 10641, even though he was born Aug. 4, 1961, the day before the twins, and his birth was registered with the Hawaii registrar three days earlier, Aug. 8, 1961.

The middle figure in Obama's purported registration also is different than the Nordykes'. Obama's is 1961, indicating the year, while the Nordykes' is merely 61.


www.wnd.com...

Do you want to know why they wont show the long form? Because a doctor and nurses would have given birth to this baby, and we wouldnt want verifiable witnesses, would we?


The OBGYN and the nurses have since died because if in their 40's when he was born means they'd be tettering on 100 yrs old.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by Magnus47
reply to post by hawaii50th
 


Barack Obama:

... went to Reverend Jeremiah Wright's controversial Christian church but is apparently... a Muslim.
... we know he's a Muslim because his middle name is Hussein, which is apparently... not his real name at all.
... also we know he was born in Kenya because his father lived there, and of course all the people in Hawaii that have vouched for his birth in Hawaii and the newspapers that have archives of his birth and the hospital that says it has his birth certificate are all LYING TO YOU, and want to IMPOSE A SOCIALIST STATE.

YES, I am being sarcastic.

... Are you people listening to yourselves???!
I do agree that Obama's time in office so far has opened my eyes... opened them to some very unfortunate truths about our country's population. (Not that the rest of the world is any better.)

*facepalm!*
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He is a devout Christian and was baptized, issued communion, confrimation and was married in a Christian church, his kids are all raised Christian and guess what that makes him? Christian!



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by Vicky32

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1


If race had nothing to do with it you would see hispanics, African Americans, Orientals, Arabics, Islanders all coming out as Birthers but since only white people are claiming it proves that this is racially motivated.

Oh yes - watching if from the outside as I am doing, I have no doubt whatsoever that it's all about race. If it wasn'tr "Barry Soetoro" but "Lars Johanssen" I don't think anybody would give a toss!
Vicky


With a name like Lars Johansen they'd still think he was a foreigner. That would be like if a member of The Māori Tribe ran for your Prime Minister there would be a contingent local to you that would say that dude is a foreigner.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Originally posted by Magnus47
reply to post by hawaii50th
 


Barack Obama:

... went to Reverend Jeremiah Wright's controversial Christian church but is apparently... a Muslim.
... we know he's a Muslim because his middle name is Hussein, which is apparently... not his real name at all.
... also we know he was born in Kenya because his father lived there, and of course all the people in Hawaii that have vouched for his birth in Hawaii and the newspapers that have archives of his birth and the hospital that says it has his birth certificate are all LYING TO YOU, and want to IMPOSE A SOCIALIST STATE.

YES, I am being sarcastic.

... Are you people listening to yourselves???!
I do agree that Obama's time in office so far has opened my eyes... opened them to some very unfortunate truths about our country's population. (Not that the rest of the world is any better.)

*facepalm!*
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He is a devout Christian and was baptized, issued communion, confrimation and was married in a Christian church, his kids are all raised Christian and guess what that makes him? Christian!


Just because he went to a so called Christian church, and notice I said "so called" does not prove anything.
For one, that Wright character is not a real Christian, he is a ranting, hateful, prejudice, judgmental, screaming lunatic.



posted on Apr, 15 2011 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by hawaii50th
It's no different than the ones that are denying Obama is not legit, that he was really born in Hawaii.


Yes. It is VERY different. Obama has proven that he was born in Hawaii.
Our Congress voted unanimously that he was born in Hawaii.
Every piece of credible evidence points to the fact that he was born in Hawaii.

The birthers present suspicion, questions, rumors, lies, innuendo and false accusations and assumptions... WITH NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER.

It is VERY different.


Ben,

It's something that roots from Nazi Germany when they issued a massive propoganda campaign to get everyone to turn against Jews and non Germans and that is if you repeat a lie enough times idiots will eventually believe it.


Yes your so right, repeat a lie enough times idiots will eventually believe it. and in the case of Obama getting in to the WH is exactly what those that voted for the guy fell for.



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