Obama Just Said that 'Welfare' Made This Country Great...While Trying to Quote Lincoln...

Originally posted by neo96
if you people have problems with medical care prices blame:

1. regulations
2. malpractice insurance
3. the dollars value.


for all the people who push entitlements try living on them a today never any better than yesterday and a tomorrow never better than any today.

I'm quite sure you meant to say.

1. Lack of regulations
2. Doctors recieving kickbacks from drug and insurance companies
3. Looking at Healthcare as a profit making system rather than a basic human right.

I'm sure it was just an honest mistake...or a typo.

Originally posted by dreamseeker
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There is no point of government if they don't help their people. They might as well close up go home and let us take over.

There is no point to government if they take everything from the people with the promise to help yet do little to protect the people.

Is that what you meant?

Originally posted by dreamseeker
reply to post by neo96

 

It takes money to make money though. We are all dependent on something. Without depending on a paycheck a person would be homeless on the streets. No one is any better than anyone else. Why judge those who are down on their luck?
Not all of social programs are welfare. Social Security or Medicare isn't. The elderly deserve to sit on their couch after working 40+ years!

The elderly who worked for forty years were not lazy. The panhandler who prefers sitting on a street corner with a sign over looking for work is lazy. There are waaaaaayyyyyyyy too many lazy people in America.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


Lets use updated stats shall we:

United States GDP Growth Rate

The Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in the United States expanded 3.1 percent in the fourth quarter of 2010 over the previous quarter. From 1947 until 2010 The United States' average quarterly GDP Growth was 3.30 percent reaching an historical high of 17.20 percent in March of 1950 and a record low of -10.40 percent in March of 1958. The economy of the United States is the largest in the world. The United States is a market-oriented economy where private individuals and business firms make most of the decisions. The federal and state governments buy needed goods and services predominantly in the private marketplace. This page includes: United States GDP Growth Rate chart, historical data and news.

Real gross domestic product -- the output of goods and services produced by labor and property located in the United States -- increased at an annual rate of 3.1 percent in the fourth quarter of 2010, (that is, from the third quarter to the fourth quarter), according to the "third" estimate released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. In the third quarter, real GDP increased 2.6 percent.
The increase in real GDP in the fourth quarter primarily reflected positive contributions from personal consumption expenditures (PCE), exports, and nonresidential fixed investment that were partly offset by negative contributions from private inventory investment and state and local government spending. Imports, which are a subtraction in the calculation of GDP, decreased.

Final sales of computers added 0.35 percentage point to the fourth-quarter change in real GDP after adding 0.29 percentage point to the third-quarter change. Motor vehicle output subtracted 0.27 percentage point from the fourth-quarter change in real GDP after adding 0.49 percentage point to the third-quarter change.

The price index for gross domestic purchases, which measures prices paid by U.S. residents, increased 2.1 percent in the fourth quarter, the same increase as in the second estimate; this index increased 0.7 percent in the third quarter. Excluding food and energy prices, the price index for gross domestic purchases increased 1.1 percent in the fourth quarter, compared with an increase of 0.4 percent in the third.

Real personal consumption expenditures increased 4.0 percent in the fourth quarter, compared with an increase of 2.4 percent in the third. Durable goods increased 21.1 percent, compared with an increase of 7.6 percent. Nondurable goods increased 4.1 percent, compared with an increase of 2.5 percent. Services increased 1.5 percent, compared with an increase of 1.6 percent.

Real nonresidential fixed investment increased 7.7 percent in the fourth quarter, compared with an increase of 10.0 percent in the third. Nonresidential structures increased 7.6 percent, in contrast to a decrease of 3.5 percent. Equipment and software increased 7.7 percent, compared with an increase of 15.4 percent. Real residential fixed investment increased 3.3 percent, in contrast to a decrease of 27.3 percent.

Real exports of goods and services increased 8.6 percent in the fourth quarter, compared with an increase of 6.8 percent in the third. Real imports of goods and services decreased 12.6 percent, in contrast to an increase of 16.8 percent.

Real federal government consumption expenditures and gross investment decreased 0.3 percent in the fourth quarter, in contrast to an increase of 8.8 percent in the third. National defense decreased 2.2 percent, in contrast to an increase of 8.5 percent. Nondefense increased 3.7 percent, compared with an increase of 9.5 percent. Real state and local government consumption expenditures and gross investment decreased 2.6 percent, in contrast to an increase of 0.7 percent.

The change in real private inventories subtracted 3.42 percentage points from the fourth-quarter change in real GDP, after adding 1.61 percentage points to the third-quarter change. Private businesses increased inventories $16.2 billion in the fourth quarter, following increases of $121.4 billion in the third quarter and $68.8 billion in the second.

Real final sales of domestic product -- GDP less change in private inventories -- increased 6.7 percent in the fourth quarter, compared with an increase of 0.9 percent in the third.

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Real final sales of domestic product -- GDP less change in private inventories -- increased 6.7 percent in the fourth quarter, compared with an increase of 0.9 percent in the third.

6.7 % is still low growth, comparatively speaking in years past.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by neo96
if you people have problems with medical care prices blame:

1. regulations
2. malpractice insurance
3. the dollars value.


for all the people who push entitlements try living on them a today never any better than yesterday and a tomorrow never better than any today.

I'm quite sure you meant to say.

1. Lack of regulations
2. Doctors recieving kickbacks from drug and insurance companies
3. Looking at Healthcare as a profit making system rather than a basic human right.

I'm sure it was just an honest mistake...or a typo.

No, neo had it right.

reply to post by abecedarian

I do understand it, and the comparison stands. O'Care is just another way for the gov't to get in your wallet and pay more for something you already receive.

Please explain the mechanism that does this in the Health Care Reform bill.

Sources would be nice.

At this risk of enraging some of you, I have to say that all this Obama bashing is borderline ridiculous. The first half of his speech was decent in my opinion, though he should have just walked off the stage after saying "but that won't happen as long as I'm President". The remainder was overkill and ramblings that detracted from the overall message and apparently made poor Biden fall asleep.

As far as socialism goes, I really don't know how to put it other than you're a complete idiot if you actually think Obama is a socialist. The US has used a mixture of socialist and capatilist policies for a long time now, as has every other western European nation. Labeling Obama a socialist is a cynical and rather pathetic attempt by the Republicans to evoke memories of Cold War communist fears, because the unfortunate reality of America is that the majority of our population know the fundamentals of civics and government as well as Joe Dirt, and they automatically buy into the idea that being called a socialist is a bad thing, without even knowing what it means.

The Republican party is a parasitic worm in the collective American stomach. Honestly I don't even know what to say about it anymore, I'm running out of appropriate superlatives. Seriously, the outrageous hypocracy of their actions right now makes my blood boil. They are literally trying to loot the masses and have no interest in the survival of American society - or at least no interest in the survival of the middle and lower class. That's the real conspiracy going on here, and I honestly don't know why people in the mainstream are afraid to call them out on it.

A 70% cut to clean energy. A 25% cut in education. A 30% cut in transportation. Cuts in college Pell Grants that will grow to more than $1,000 per year. That’s what they’re proposing.

So instead of raising taxes on the richest bracket by 3% to return to Clinton Administration levels when we were able to raise a surplus, the Republicans propose this steaming pile of poop and manage to propose an ADDITIONAL tax cut. Amazing.

(1) 25% cut in education

Those that comprise the republican party - white men - will be a minority before the first half of this century is over. Hispanics will probably be the new majority. As the most recent immigrants, as a whole they are relatively poor, and thus can't afford private schools. They proliferate the public schools, which have been deteriorating for some time now, especially in the cities. What they need is more money, but no, let's cut education funding by 1/4!! Education is power, especially amongst groups that typically support Democrats, so let's cut college grants and just hope these kids never make it out of high school, can't find jobs, and resort to crime. Pitting the commoners against each other and hoarding as much wealth as possible is really our only hope of keeping power in the USA. While we're at it, let's lead a push to privatize prisons and make money off them on the back end. Oh and while we are doing that, let's also take this chance to try and start busting teacher unions by acting as if they are responsible for the deficit.

(2) 70% cut to clean energy

This one is self-explanatory. The oil companies aren't going to stop until every last penny is squeezed out of every last drop of oil on the planet. Why would we try and develop technology that might stop the collapse of our society when it might prevent the oil companies' quest for trillion dollar profits? After all, we owe them, without their campaign contributions we couldn't get elected, so let's throw something in to keep the money coming.

(3) 30% cut in trasnportation

This one makes no sense at all, not sure why anyone would want bridges falling down and roads falling apart. I guess all the private defense contractors are too busy extorting taxpayer dollars in Iraq to be in the business of building American infrastructure.

On the other hand, we have Obama, who is directly implicated in the ridiculous abuse of the stimulus funds by Wall St. because his boys at the Fed were the ones making the loans. Of course, Washington is just a necessary distraction for Wall St's profiteering, seeing as how there is a revolving door between the SEC and brokers. And of course Wall St is likewise a slave to corporations, so of course they all fully support similar psuedo-regulatory relationships elsewhere in the economy. And while all these greedy bastards are gaming the system and getting rich, the Republicans are kind enough to offer to mortgage our future so they can save a few extra hundred K's every year. At least Obama is trying to get some of the money returned to us taxpayers on the back end, even if it's only 3% in taxes.

reply to post by fredvcall


So you have your own company that exists on your own island alone? You never use money nor do you have a job. There is no way to be 100% self sufficent that would mean isolating yourself from society. You might have illusion of self sufficancy.
If you pay your bills and put back into society that means you do what you need to do to live. People on different programs pay bills as well.
Did you know that section 8 recquires a family to pay 30% of their income to rent? Also you must show bank statements and a source of income. People may be 50% or even 60% self sufficent but that does not mean they have created their country and currency. Can you grow your own food off of land that was yours orginally? Do you owe any money to anyone? If this is not the case then you can't claim to be 100% self sufficent!

reply to post by dontdrinkthewater


Obama walking off the stage before he has totally drenched (drowned) himself in the adulation of a fawning welfare liberal socialist audience? That was a joke, right?

reply to post by Whereweheaded


Are you aware you are using statistics from the UK???

Here is a big hint...your URL.... statistics.gov.UK

Here is another hint:

According to the latest figures, UK GDP fell by 0.5 per cent in quarter four 2010.

So yes...let's use updates stats....from the correct country.

It`s gotta be jobs over welfare everytime. Having said that full employment is a thing of the past, so what do we do with folk outta work?

Remember all to many jobs now pay minimum wage, and millions of folks exist from paycheque to paycheque, with ripoff payday loans in between.

Seems to me welfare is only paid to keep the rich safe in their big old houses and not for the benefit of the welfare recipients.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


there is no lack of regulations
doctors who have limits on what they can make

an existing healthcare system that makes profit so they can provide services instead of a medicare system that makes no profit and has no where near the quality of care.

your choice private care or medicare 100% people will say without a doubt that they would rather be on private.

now why is that.,

Originally posted by dreamseeker
reply to post by fredvcall

 

So you have your own company that exists on your own island alone? You never use money nor do you have a job. There is no way to be 100% self sufficent that would mean isolating yourself from society. You might have illusion of self sufficancy.
If you pay your bills and put back into society that means you do what you need to do to live. People on different programs pay bills as well.
Did you know that section 8 recquires a family to pay 30% of their income to rent? Also you must show bank statements and a source of income. People may be 50% or even 60% self sufficent but that does not mean they have created their country and currency. Can you grow your own food off of land that was yours orginally? Do you owe any money to anyone? If this is not the case then you can't claim to be 100% self sufficent!

WTF are you taling about? Are you one of those people who claims that all police officers are soclialists? And if so, I would like to be there when you walk up to a cop and say, "Hey, you are a socialist!"

You are exemplifying the bureaucratic bungling of welfare socialism by going off onto tangents that Lewis Carrol would've attributed to the Cheshire Cat. How are you dragging Section 8 into this discussion....particularly when section 8 relates to an insanity defense in a court of law?

reply to post by abecedarian


Not at all. How much do you really pay in social secruity and medicare taxes. Seriously I bet you dont know off hand. I have always made low wages I never was bothered by the $10 I paid into social security and medicare. I knew it was an insurance on my future. Unless you make lower than minuim wage this small amount is not as dramatic as you make it out to be.
We all know our government is corrupt but at this point it is about who will hurt us less. The republicans want to cut Medicare entirely,privatize social security and implent drastic cuts on social programs that would hurt america as a whole. It would lower our standard of living and make us look truly pathetic. If we are the richest country in the world we need to live like that and help those who need it.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


Yup my bad, just saw that myself~ I stand corrected.

reply to post by fredvcall


I am just proving my point and clearing up misconceptions. I make sense and it just scares you. Lets keep this civil without you insulting me. There is no need for that.
By the way I am talking about section 8 housing which is one of those "hated" social programs you wish to end.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

there is no lack of regulations
doctors who have limits on what they can make

an existing healthcare system that makes profit so they can provide services instead of a medicare system that makes no profit and has no where near the quality of care.

your choice private care or medicare 100% people will say without a doubt that they would rather be on private.

now why is that.,

There are limits on what doctors can make??? I would love to see those limits...source please???

You choose private INSURANCE over medicare, because in general it will pay for more services...it has nothing to do with the care. Unless you are suggesting that doctors provide sub-standard care to medicare patients??? If that is the case...it is due to the PROFIT model of healthcare.

By the way health care should never be about profit. Anyone in health care who is looking a huge profit needs to get out of the industry now!

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

Yup my bad, just saw that myself~ I stand corrected.

It's amazing to me that people are starring your post...it's even more amazing to me that you haven't gone back to correct that post and delete that information.

People who starred that post most likely know believe that the US has had negative GDP growth...and will most likely go spread that incorrect information.

look you two IF YOU CAN NOT MAKE A PROFIT

YOU CAN NOT PROVIDE THE GOODS OR SERVICES.

costs go up every year regulations are increased every year and the value of the dollar decreases everyday