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reply posted on 13-4-2011 @ 02:12 PM by Whereweheaded

Originally posted by dreamseeker
reply to post by fredvcall

He did not say welfare made this country great. He worded it differently. Social Security and Medicare is NOT welfare. These programs do make our country great by showing we have compassion for our weakest most vunerable citzens. I have new found respect for Obama today. He may have won my vote if he continues to fight against cutting these desperately needed social programs and benefits programs.
FDR was a great president and he would have given us the right to more equality. Read up on his second bill of rights.

You stated this from above:

Social Security and Medicare is NOT welfare.

Then at the end you stated this:

He may have won my vote if he continues to fight against cutting these desperately needed social programs and benefits programs.

Which is it? Are they Unconstitutional social programs are not?
And FDR was not a great President, if anything, he was a travesty upon this great nation. The new deal, and his " second amendment " was if anything, laughable at best.

reply posted on 13-4-2011 @ 02:14 PM by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

Part of this American belief that we are all connected also expresses itself in a conviction that each one of us deserves some basic measure of security

No one is deserving of anything? What is earned, is what is deserved.

Part of being a "great country" would be that we all "deserve some basic measure of security".

I would agree with that statement...it definately doesn't make it a bad country.

reply posted on 13-4-2011 @ 02:14 PM by dreamseeker

reply to post by fredvcall

By the way it is not the social programs that are failing but our monterial system. All these programs are dependent on MONEY! The wealthy elite controls most of the money. We need to end the wealthy elites rule!

reply posted on 13-4-2011 @ 02:16 PM by Whereweheaded

reply to post by dreamseeker

That much I agree on. Ending the Fed or at the very least cutting off the credit lines, and money creation, out of thin air, would be a step in the right direction. If we could some way also attach a tangible asset to back the dollar, that too would be a step in the right direction. You would solidify the purchasing power, and the value of the dollar.

reply posted on 13-4-2011 @ 02:18 PM by Whereweheaded

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

Just so I understand you?, So if you work 80 hours a week, made a good living for yourself, you should give a percentage to the homeless guy that lives in the gutter all because he chose to be homeless, and is deserving, or entitled to your paycheck?

reply posted on 13-4-2011 @ 02:18 PM by dreamseeker

reply to post by Whereweheaded

No these are progams are not unconstitutional programs. FDR got out us of the great depression how is that NOT an accomplishment? His second bill of rights would have given everyone housing, a job and the freedom from the control of monopolies. How is that not a good thing? This is the vision of america to give everyone an equal oppurnity to live a decent life. This is why so many people came over from different countries and why many people still come. We at least attempt to take care of our own and help others who want to become citzens.
What is wrong with being for life and happiness. That is in the consitution. We need a bill that gives everyone the right to be free from extreme poverty!

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reply posted on 13-4-2011 @ 02:19 PM by neo96

reply to post by Whereweheaded

sigh the fed another legacy from another "great" so called democratic president

it doesn't see much connecting of the dots to see the legacy of obama.

reply posted on 13-4-2011 @ 02:19 PM by Chance321

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

Right obama should know about layoffs. Unemployment's been at or above record highs during his rein. But I also noticed that he failed to include himself in creating record debt in his first two years.

reply posted on 13-4-2011 @ 02:20 PM by TKDRL

reply to post by Shenon

What? Ron paul has been around a pretty damn long time, saying the same kinds of things he is saying now.... No one was listening before is the problem.

reply posted on 13-4-2011 @ 02:21 PM by TKDRL

reply to post by Whereweheaded

All due respect, some of those homeless are damn war vets.... Yeah go fight and maybe die for your country, when you come back bat# crazy, we got a steamgrate you can sleep on!

reply posted on 13-4-2011 @ 02:25 PM by Whereweheaded

reply to post by dreamseeker

FDR got out us of the great depression how is that NOT an accomplishment?

Um no, Im sorry to inform you he did not. If your suggesting that WW2 got us out, you need to understand that WW2 was only a catalyst. FDR was able to pull us out of the poverty levels because he backed off on all his " bills " and let the free market right itself. He stopped intervening and allowed the system to run its course, which is what brought us out of the drought.

ETA:

This is why so many people came over from different countries and why many people still come.

no, many peoples came here for the chance at entrepreneurship, and free enterprise. To earn something to have pride in, for generations to come. Not to obtain free money given to them by the USG.

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reply posted on 13-4-2011 @ 02:27 PM by abecedarian

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Well...Obama never mentioned the words "welfare"...right there your title is misleading. Here is what he said.

www.businessinsider.com...

Part of this American belief that we are all connected also expresses itself in a conviction that each one of us deserves some basic measure of security. We recognize that no matter how responsibly we live our lives, hard times or bad luck, a crippling illness or a layoff, may strike any one of us. “There but for the grace of God go I,” we say to ourselves, and so we contribute to programs like Medicare and Social Security, which guarantee us health care and a measure of basic income after a lifetime of hard work; unemployment insurance, which protects us against unexpected job loss; and Medicaid, which provides care for millions of seniors in nursing homes, poor children, and those with disabilities. We are a better country because of these commitments. I’ll go further – we would not be a great country without those commitments

...>snip<...

I don't mind honest criticism...but mis-leading propaganda and outright falsehoods I do mind.

So Obama admitted we contribute to programs such as Medicare and Social Security, right? And those "... guarantee us health care and a measure of basic income...."
Sounds like O'Care needs to go away since it's obviously a redundant program, admitted by proxy by SR O himself.

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reply posted on 13-4-2011 @ 02:27 PM by sugarcookie1

I'm going to vote but it sure wont be for Obama not this time around..the Social Security and Medicare programs didn't make our country great but they sure have helped out alot of people and I'm glad he is fighting to keep this going..I just think someone else should take the reigns and see what they can do its very scary times were living in right now..

reply posted on 13-4-2011 @ 02:28 PM by Whereweheaded

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Whereweheaded

All due respect, some of those homeless are damn war vets.... Yeah go fight and maybe die for your country, when you come back bat# crazy, we got a steamgrate you can sleep on!

Thats what we have VA services for, which by the way the liberals in office wanted to cut that part of the spending, it should also be known that it was the republican party who fought for the soldiers you wish to decry.

reply posted on 13-4-2011 @ 02:31 PM by abecedarian

Originally posted by Whereweheaded

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Whereweheaded

All due respect, some of those homeless are damn war vets.... Yeah go fight and maybe die for your country, when you come back bat# crazy, we got a steamgrate you can sleep on!

Thats what we have VA services for, which by the way the liberals in office wanted to cut that part of the spending, it should also be known that it was the republican party who fought for the soldiers you wish to decry.

Well said.

Democrats, historically (except for Kennedy getting us into Vietnam and Cuba) have done little to support the military and have gone so far as to ostracize and castigate those in the military.

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reply posted on 13-4-2011 @ 02:35 PM by Dwigt

One thing that just burns me to no end is all this talk about how taxing millionaires is the way to go. However, they then slip it in that anyone who earns over $250k a year will be taxed higher. Where is the logic. If Obama or Buffet wants to write an extra check to fund someone else's lifestyle, then there is nothing stopping them. He said most millionaires would agree with him, so there you go, they should make sure everyone knows that if you want to donate an extra portion of your pay to the US Govt, feel free to mail in your check. Keep your hands off the money that I make. They already take nearly .40 of every dollar I make. Sickening!

reply posted on 13-4-2011 @ 02:39 PM by neo96

reply to post by Dwigt

thats the killer here when you get to the point when you dont care about 1 cent or 1 dollar your not going to be a millionaire very long

reply posted on 13-4-2011 @ 02:41 PM by Whereweheaded

reply to post by Dwigt

What else I find amusing, that most liberals do not wish to address, is the fact that the top 2% of the richest pay the most in annual taxes....but we need to tax them even more. Where is that logic? if the middle class paid the most in taxes, and we were told we may have to pay more, we would be pissed too. But we dont want to discuss that.

There is new data for 2001. The share of total income taxes paid by the top 1% fell to 33.89% from 37.42% in 2000. This is mainly because their income share (not just wages) fell from 20.81% to 17.53%. However, their average tax rate actually rose slightly from 27.45% to 27.50%.

www.taxfoundation.org...

The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 33.7 percent of all individual income taxes in 2002. This group of taxpayers has paid more than 30 percent of individual income taxes since 1995. Moreover, since 1990 this group’s tax share has grown faster than their income share.

The share of taxes paid by the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers will fall from 4.1 percent to 3.6 percent. The share of taxes paid by the top 1 percent of taxpayers will rise from 32.3 percent to 33.7 percent. The average tax rate for the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers falls by 27 percent as compared to a 13 percent decline for taxpayers in the top 1 percent.

usgovinfo.about.com...

reply posted on 13-4-2011 @ 02:41 PM by TKDRL

reply to post by Whereweheaded

It just pisses me off when people try to paint the homeless as lazy panhandlers with a big broad brush, when I know it is not true. I met many that where there because of serious psychological problems, and a good chunk of them were vets that the VA failed miserably.

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reply posted on 13-4-2011 @ 02:42 PM by fredvcall

Originally posted by dreamseeker
reply to post by fredvcall

He did not say welfare made this country great. He worded it differently. Social Security and Medicare is NOT welfare. These programs do make our country great by showing we have compassion for our weakest most vunerable citzens. I have new found respect for Obama today. He may have won my vote if he continues to fight against cutting these desperately needed social programs and benefits programs.
FDR was a great president and he would have given us the right to more equality. Read up on his second bill of rights.
By the way section 8 which is more or less a welfare program has self sufficency programs such as home ownership programs,voc rehab and much more. Without these social programs we would be like a country in Africa or a third world country where the weakest people are left to fend for themseleves. I agree these programs do make American great!
edit on 13-4-2011 by dreamseeker because: (no reason given)

Gee....how did America ever get along before FDR and Obama?

So, can a homeless man (or woman) on welfare ever hope to become President? Or a Senator? Or in Congress? That was a rhetorical question.

The illusion of Utopia is that by babysitting the welfare, the welfare will become stronger. The reality is that 'enabling' an addict only furthers the addiction, not cures it.

The maze is that liberal socialists will continue to find an excuse where welfare is 'good and needed.' There's never a cure. There's only a Utopian Socialist promise.

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