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Obama Just Said that 'Welfare' Made This Country Great...While Trying to Quote Lincoln...

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posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Janky Red

The GOP wants to recreate the Great Depression so the billionaire can buy everything for pennies on the dollar
that is inferred


You must be upset because Obama is going to beat the GOP to it.


Ya if he rolls over and does what they are suggesting he will beat them to it.

Wealthy people crash economies to race in and buy once the crash is finalized, then their holdings
are increased exponentially.

Since you are all hot and bothered for the rich, I suggest you look at your kin who position the government
in that fashion




posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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GOP checklist already attained (or in the works) off the top of my head:

-Make corporations people
-Allow for unlimited anonymous donations to political factions
-Destroy social programs that empower the poor (ACORN)
-Destroy public broadcasting systems (NPR)
-Destroy unions and collective bargaining rights
-Rollback social nets
-Give unprecidented power and wealth to corporations and top 5%
-Remove funding from the IRS to reduce federal budget (on top of massive tax cuts)


This isn't a Republican takeover, this is a corporatist takeover (theres still a difference, right?)


edit on 14-4-2011 by SaturnFX because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Janky Red
The GOP wants to recreate the Great Depression so the billionaire can buy everything for pennies on the dollar
that is inferred
edit on 14-4-2011 by Janky Red because: (no reason given)


Dude...you just gave me the chills.

I know the GOP is pretty twisted (not all...but many corporatists)...but never really understood the actual end game they were working for, so just left it as insanity to win political points.

You say that and suddenly the picture makes sense...I don't believe you..or rather, I don't want to believe you, but damn thats got me worried.
Time to do a bit of research I guess..if that is true, its simply insidious..but that might be a bit to over the top Dr. Evil for me to immediately accept.


Well FX, look at what they are setting up... Orchestrate from the inside. You hate government, use your political post to mismanage government and set up the counter force (corporations) to take governments place.


edit on 14-4-2011 by Janky Red because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by Afterl1fe
 


Good point, and I see your argument. But I raise you one more prong tongue!


How can you vote when you are offered the choice of dirtbag scum or scum dirtbag? Been a long while since anyone who had a tiny bit of honor and real good intention was up for my vote....and when i voted for them they lost anyway as we all know anyone with honesty and real good intention will.



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 01:19 PM
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i disagree with every word that comes out of obama's mou- err teleprompter. why this guy has been able to stay in power is beyond me, even democrats are jumping ship. but i refuse to believe that bush and obama are the same.

the bush tax cuts did help, yes the rich got a tax break too. on both sides there is a trickle down effect. raise taxes on the rich you get their money and it trickles down to the poor, lower taxes on the rich and you get them coming back to the country and hiring again which means more jobs for the poor. either way money is trickling down, its just a matter of destination.

the stock market hit a record high of 14,000 under bush. the crashes happened because of greedy speculators, and the democratic brain children Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac


A September 11, 2003 New York Times article shows that President Bush proposed “the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.” His proposal: An agency within the Treasury Department to supervise mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Fearing that mortgages would no longer be available to people who were unable to pay them back, Democrats eventually killed the proposal. The current meltdown in the mortgage industry is a direct result of giving mortgages to people who could not pay them back, a practice protected by Congressional Democrats.
Source Just one source, there's sources ALL OVER if your still in denial

who allowed this? Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the Financial Services Committee chairman

"The truth is when President Bush took office, and the Republicans controlled both houses of Congress, he did not make any progress on comprehensive legislation to reform the regulation of the Government Sponsored Enterprises. It was not until 2005, when the House, on a bipartisan basis, and over the President's objections finally passed a reform bill. It died in the Senate in part because the White House's failure to make it a priority." - Barney Frank
source Gee mister frank, i think thats because you guys killed his bill, and he didn't like what yours would/did allow to happen

the patriot act really was intended for terrorism, BO got voted in because repealing it was one of his talking points. did he? nope. why? because it allowed the dems a platform to do what they've been wanting to do for decades. curb dissent among the masses. now something that was enacted for the benefit of Americans to monitor suspect terrorist activities goes from benevolent to malevolent use. why do you think Janet Napalm was able to find information to classify the "Right-wing Extremists"

Bush was helping the middle class, Obama wants to get rid of it.. to the elites ( democrats included, else the top 8 richest people in congress wouldn't be dems) the middle class is a class too close. us serfs are ugly dirty things that need to be kept away from the rich,pretty and powerful.


OH and Clinton did nothing except be a good pragmatist in the midst of a GOP held house and senate. the surplus we had was because of the GOP. you guys who claim it was him just say that because your dems and he was also the president/



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by dreamseeker
reply to post by fredvcall
 


He did not say welfare made this country great. He worded it differently. Social Security and Medicare is NOT welfare.

Yes, they are.

Both programs hand out more money than they take in. The difference between outlays and intake is welfare spending. There's just no other word for it.

The fact that another program goes by the name "welfare" (or used to) doesn't mean these two aren't welfare as well.

Unless your entire argument is based on semantics alone.

Harte



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 01:21 PM
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In the 1950's and 1960's the top 1-2% earners paid 90% of gains in taxes.

Consumer demand fueled exceptionally strong economic growth in the post war period. The automobile industry successfully converted back to producing cars, and new industries such as aviation and electronics grew by leaps and bounds. A housing boom, stimulated in part by easily affordable mortgages for returning members of the military, added to the expansion. The nation's gross national product rose from about $200,000 million in 1940 to $300,000 million in 1950 and to more than $500,000 million in 1960. More and more Americans joined the middle class.

Now the top 1-2% pay less than 30%. Who pays their taxes now? The middle class and poor labor- that's who. This is wealth redistributed alright- Redistributed UPWARDS. All the tax whiners need to start whining at the right target- the people whose fair share in taxes they have been paying for over the past 20 years.



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 01:31 PM
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I STILL haven't gotten a reply on my post about China.

China IS socialist, it subsidizes energy, housing, food, transportation, health care and education for the labor force. China is also kicking our behinds because companies know they are dealing with a well fed, educated, housed and healthy workforce that does not have personal transportation issues.

Cuba is a totally moot point as it is embargoed and so presents a 'false' face of socialism due to being shunned by most other nations.

Now if our 'socialist' attempt is failing- while China's socialist system is obviously winning, there is only one answer. More subsidies, more socialism to the levels of Chinas.

Is that what you want? You can't have it both ways. You cannot pay your labor force slave wages without a safety net to provide food, housing, etc. or you end up like Bangladesh.



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by Kingbreaker

the bush tax cuts did help, yes the rich got a tax break too. on both sides there is a trickle down effect. raise taxes on the rich you get their money and it trickles down to the poor, lower taxes on the rich and you get them coming back to the country and hiring again which means more jobs for the poor. either way money is trickling down, its just a matter of destination.

the stock market hit a record high of 14,000 under bush. the crashes happened because of greedy speculators, and the democratic brain children Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac


A September 11, 2003 New York Times article shows that President Bush proposed “the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.” His proposal: An agency within the Treasury Department to supervise mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Fearing that mortgages would no longer be available to people who were unable to pay them back, Democrats eventually killed the proposal. The current meltdown in the mortgage industry is a direct result of giving mortgages to people who could not pay them back, a practice protected by Congressional Democrats.
Source Just one source, there's sources ALL OVER if your still in denial

who allowed this? Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the Financial Services Committee chairman

"The truth is when President Bush took office, and the Republicans controlled both houses of Congress, he did not make any progress on comprehensive legislation to reform the regulation of the Government Sponsored Enterprises. It was not until 2005, when the House, on a bipartisan basis, and over the President's objections finally passed a reform bill. It died in the Senate in part because the White House's failure to make it a priority." - Barney Frank
source Gee mister frank, i think thats because you guys killed his bill, and he didn't like what yours would/did allow to happen

the patriot act really was intended for terrorism, BO got voted in because repealing it was one of his talking points. did he? nope. why? because it allowed the dems a platform to do what they've been wanting to do for decades. curb dissent among the masses. now something that was enacted for the benefit of Americans to monitor suspect terrorist activities goes from benevolent to malevolent use. why do you think Janet Napalm was able to find information to classify the "Right-wing Extremists"

Bush was helping the middle class, Obama wants to get rid of it.. to the elites ( democrats included, else the top 8 richest people in congress wouldn't be dems) the middle class is a class too close. us serfs are ugly dirty things that need to be kept away from the rich,pretty and powerful.


OH and Clinton did nothing except be a good pragmatist in the midst of a GOP held house and senate. the surplus we had was because of the GOP. you guys who claim it was him just say that because your dems and he was also the president/


The economic Crash happened because Bush did not correct his course and he refused to interfere
in the situation. The 14,000 DOW was an effect of a market infused with FAKE equity, which was
a direct result of BUSH'S regulatory doctrine, NONE.

The instrument that created the fuse of Banking and insurance was the Gramm–Leach–Bliley_Act which was a Republican creation.

en.wikipedia.org...–Leach–Bliley_Act

The ELITE servicing party is the GOP, exactly why they created the legal framework for the economic crash

Exactly why they propose cutting the elite TAX BRACKET and not the other brackets, the middle class brackets
for example



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 02:07 PM
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Do people realize 14 trillion dollars in debt is all ready a sign we will collapse.Not that hard to understand if your house payments are late and you become to far in debt to make monthly payments then you will lose your house.Or you lose your car.Or your cell phone service.How about internet service.Insurance will be cut off if you refuse to pay it.
Somehow the United States as a whole system is allowed to continue to not pay 14 triilion dollars that it owes to themselves.Hypocrisy here is sickening.The government and country is no different than everyone paying for their house bills,cars,insurances,income taxes,etc.The government is the people,somehow these politiains have managed to seperate themselves from what is suppose to be the people.The wreckless spending is out of control and they still argue and fight how to reduce the debt.



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 02:08 PM
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a civilisation is judged on how it cares for it's poor and sick.


all humans, all family, all souls from/of God




posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 02:11 PM
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reply to post by fredvcall
 


Again, my sincere apologies, I realized I wasn't dealing with a person that was on the same level of lucidity as myself.



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by cornucopia
a civilisation is judged on how it cares for it's poor and sick.


all humans, all family, all souls from/of God





Nice sentiment. But who judges? What is their "litmus test"?



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by Stratus9
I STILL haven't gotten a reply on my post about China.

China is also kicking our behinds because companies know they are dealing with a well fed, educated, housed and healthy workforce that does not have personal transportation issues.


A healthy work force that Big Brother determines how many children a couple can have, and the Chinese regularly abort female babies because males are more preferable?

Did you just say that China does not have personal transportation issues? That was a joke, right?

China traffic jam enters Day 11. A tale of deceit and criminality?
China's traffic jam, which has lasted a full 10 days and is expected to last weeks, is being blamed on highway roadwork, compounded by minor accidents and a few breakdowns.

www.csmonitor.com...



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 03:02 PM
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All in favor of impeachment say I



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by fredvcall

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I bet you are drooling at the thought of lighting somebody up

I hope you are prepared for some local corporation tainting your groundwater with benzene


Never drool while taking aim. Take a full breath. Let out half your air. Hold your breath while you aim. Squeeze the trigger. Do not pull. It's not rocket science. But practice does make perfect.

Around here, people have been pulling up ground water since long before the Norsemen sailed to the new world before Columbus sailed to the new world. The Commanches used to bury the water holes to keep the white settlers from stopping. There's not a lot of worry about benzene around here.

We have enough natural gas reserves around here to supply our energy needs for another century or two. We really, really, really don't need Washington. And guess what? Washington knows that fact.

We've had Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, both Bushes and Sarah Palin visit us. No Carter, Clinton or Obama, though.



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by OverMan
The truth is that everyone is a little bit socialist and a little bit communist and a little bit conservative and a little bit liberal/progressive etc etc...



You might have some Communist DNA in you. Take that up with your parents. But you'll find 24 carat diamonds in my bloodstream before you find any Communism.



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 03:18 PM
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What are your alternatives to unemployment? More than 59% of Americans are in favor of national, or single payer health care. To say that "no one" wanted it is a patently absurd.



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by Chance321
 


What are your alternatives to unemployment? More than 59% of Americans are in favor of national, or single payer health care. To say that "no one" wanted it is a patently absurd.


I'm not in favor of Obamacare. Just about everyone I know is not in favor of Obamacare. We weren't polled. Where do these people get this 59 percent number, anyway? Was it 59 percent of the student members of the Harvard JFK School of Economics, or something?

Yeah, we really get excited about these polls.



posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 03:26 PM
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"If there even is an election"........remember, the United States is still under a state of emergency since put in writing on September 14, 2001. Obama then put the United States under a state of emergency on October 24, 2009 because of H1N! flu virus. Neither of these have been rescinded. Does a state of emergency really mean anything? Yes it does.

www.globalresearch.ca...



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