5 things that will happen to you when the US defaults

Originally posted by tyson

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Reply to post by Vitchilo

 

Then we should cease to pay and get this war going while the gov is spread all over the world and owned by China. Dont give them time to regroup.

Given the government's chronic misconduct (aka crimes and warcrimes), I have a hard time believing we are not in civil war yet. It appears that very few people are really awake.

H.R. 6166

The Act changes pre-existing law to forbid explicitly the invocation of the Geneva Conventions when executing the writ of habeas corpus or in other civil actions [Act sec. 5.]. This provision applies to all cases pending at the time the Act is enacted, as well as to all such future cases

A chink out of 'ex post facto' , and a death knell for 'habeus corpus', although :

The Military Commissions Act of 2009 amended some of the provisions of the 2006 Act to improve protections for defendants. The American Civil Liberties Union summarized the positive aspects as being "restricting coerced and hearsay evidence and providing greater defense counsel resources," though overall it argued that the law as amended still fell "short of providing the due process required by the Constitution."

an important definition as to whom is an 'enemy combatant' :

(ii) a person who, before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense."

" on , before or , after ....has been determined to be "

and :

o court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider any other action against the United States or its agents relating to any aspect of the detention, transfer, treatment, trial, or conditions of confinement of an alien who is or was detained by the United States and has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination.

"...or is awaiting such determination...'

translation:

we decide if you are a criminal , you can be held indefinitely while we decide, and ANYTHING YOU HAVE EVER DONE EVER can be use as criteria for our decision , including new laws we pass while you are being decided on

I can't believe there is much doubt after those intentions war, dollar blow-out just means it becomes more obvious

reply to post by Shenon


I don't hate anyone and certainly not China. It is absurd however that we continue to ignore the blatant manipulation of their currency, violation of intellectual property rights, environmental abuses and restrictions of human rights. China does not provide any support to the maintenance of global stability that the Western nations do, yet they benefit from the results of that stability. Why? When was the last time they voted with the US or the Europeans on a matter in the UN Security Council?

We also have a very inaccurate public view of the health of both the Chinese economy and its political stability. China is far more unhealthy than is publically recognized (we don't talk about it for fear of embarrasing the Chinese). We should actively exploit the weaknesses that exist within China, not take a kids glove approach, giving them time to work their issues out. Talk with someone who has spent a significant amount of time in China. Its a disaster and has been teetering on the brink of revolution for decades. The majority of people are impoverished. They build tons of infrastructure but it falls apart a few years later. It is wildly inefficient and corrupt. Its always going to be a third world country.

The Europeans and the US should simply reset the debt. Tell the Chinese that we have been allowing them to act in a largely rouge manner for too long and that they need to forgive or restructure that debt. As far as the dollar being dumped, it would take an enormous amount of work. There is no global liquidity in any other currency, and the yuan will never be made a global currency since nobody trusts the Chinese to be honest in the accurate maintenence of the value of the yuan. What replaces the dollar? Nothing, at least within a decade and by that time both Europe and the US will have their fiscal houses in order. Tell the Chinese to play ball or there will be a massive tarrif placed on all Chinese goods within the western world.

As far as Israel goes, they need to stand alone as does every nation absent US or European financial or military assistance. Its time they either figured out how to get along with their neighbors or go to war with them and solve the problem with aggression.

As far as oil, we should simply withdraw from the middle east and tell these dictators that we will no longer prop them up absent them maintaing the flow of oil at a reasonable price. They want to sell the oil and they want their dough. They will sell it and it will be denominated in US dollars.

Who else is pushing for a replacement of the dollar? The Russians. Fine. We tell them to back off or we will not sell them an ounce of grain, the same way they cut off energy to their former republics. When a couple million Russians are starving and rioting in the streets, Mr. Putin will back off his assult on the dollar.

Its time the US and the Europeans stopped being chumps. Tell the Chinese to pound sand. When Chinese exports begin to drop like a stone and a billion Chinese have nothing to eat and there is no steady supply of energy because they can't afford to buy it, they'll get religion, even though they are communists.

reply to post by Vitchilo

I hate to break it to you but numbers 1 thru 3 are already happening.