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Originally posted by SaturnFX
Abusing the system is never a good thing...
Originally posted by Theprimevoyager
Even people up here in Michigan love still love and side with the confederacy. I always get a kick out of reminding them they lost.
Originally posted by CaDreamer
personally, I have been to the south many times and for extended periods as well and lived in the mid west. St Louis, the south sucks just as much as the mid-west, some great people mind you generous and friendly and all, but when my wife was driving home from work one day, it dawned on me how racist the center section of our country is, my wife BTW was giving a co worker a ride home he is a Black American, i was in the back seat with the kid. most of the drive we couldn't go more than a block or two without angry sneers and outright yelling "stay with your kind" etc.
So keep the south its all your thank you very much, where do I sign the papers saying I as an American agree if they dont want to be part of the USA fine GTFO!
Originally posted by roguetechie
reply to post by Juston
First off... The war WAS NOT about slavery! Not even a little bit!
Secondly the supposed "hero" in the entire drama (lincoln... no I won't capitalize his name as he doesn't deserve it) was the purveyor of the FIRST patriot act, otherwise known as the sedition act... Lincoln was a bigot through and through who only made the emancipation proclamation out of sheer desperation.
The civil war was about states rights pure and simple.... anyone trying to tell you different has an AGENDA.
edit to add: It is telling how "siding with the confederacy" is tantamount to being a "racist" or wanting to "own slaves" in the mind of most. Speaking as someone who has family who owned a plantation in virginia I have a couple things to say:
1. The narrative that is now being applied to slavery is in most regards a blatant fabrication! I have read the family plantation journals (which were meant to be a sort of guidebook of best practices for the next generation to use when their parents died, usually fairly young) when I compare what i read there and in other HISTORIES it doesn't add up to what pop culture tries to portray.
2. slavery was ONLY a southern thing... helpful hint here many of our ancestors came over as indentured servants. which was SLAVERY plain and simple.
The civil war was not about slavery, and those that sympathize with the confederacy/south are not "racists". The civil war was wholly caused by business interests that were locked out of the south's economic windfall by family run farms, plantations, etc agitating to set the events in motion that led to the civil war in order to gain control of the crops that they were buying at rates they didnt want to pay to make into goods in their factories.
Also... people should look into the carpet baggers that flooded south post war and took over land working the former owners to death alongside their former slaves on tiny share cropping lots. Anyone who has read the history and really GETS what they are reading gets an uneasy feeling that the civil war has DIRECT EFFECTS on the battles we are fighting today 150 years later!
It was the beginning of the federalist iron fist, as well as the beginning of government looking after the interests of a FEW big businesses over the wellbeing of the MANY citizens of this nation. It is sad how many do not realize the south was not a bunch of evil black hating rednecks.edit on 13-4-2011 by roguetechie because: (no reason given)
Welfare is not no. It's the principle of it that is the problem. Theres no place for welfare in a capitalist economy. Sorry but humans are still animals and socialism just does not fit with us.
Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer
The Southern-sympathizers in this thread are the perfect example of why Eugenics was thought to be necessary; ignorance seems to be an heritable condition.
As bad as they may seem now, just think how ignorant and dim-witted the south would be without the sterilization campaigns of the first phase of the eugenicist project. The second phase involved southern land-grant colleges, which selected the cream of southern society and served as a marriage market, pre-selected for intelligence.
It is only a matter of time before another sterilization/culling becomes necessary, from the eugenicist POV, I'm afraid.
reply to post by cardicorona Welfare is not no. It's the principle of it that is the problem. Theres no place for welfare in a capitalist economy. Sorry but humans are still animals and socialism just does not fit with us. Sigh. See what I mean? Malformed sentences, and an extreme ignorance, combined with self a self-righteous streak that is unique to the below-the-bible-belt culture.