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Originally posted by JoshNorton
Oh, that's rich... Lucifer777 complaining about somebody besides himself rambling in one of his threads. Feeling threatened, Lou?
Originally posted by Lucifer777
Good, God, godly, moral, and Religious Sophistry (ramblings).
If the God stuff offends you, why don't you edit IT out and actually adress the other stuff Pike was saying in that passage. Sounds pretty much like Marxist philosophy to me...
Wasn't that what Marx & Engels were writing about?
The capitalist can live without employing the laborer, and discharges him whenever that labor ceases to be profitable. At the moment when the weather is most inclement, provisions dearest, and rents highest, he turns him off to starve. if the day-laborer is taken sick, his wages stop. When old, he has no pension to retire upon. His children cannot be sent to school; for before their bones are hardened they must get to work lest they starve. The man, strong and able-bodied, works for a shilling or two a day, and the woman shivering over her little pan of coals, when the mercury drops far below zero, after her hungry children have wailed themselves to sleep, sews by the dim light of her lonely candle, for a bare pittance, selling her life to him who bargained only for the work of her needle.
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How to deal with this apparently inevitable evil and mortal disease is by far the most important of all social problems. What is to be done with pauperism and over-supply of labor? How is the life of any country to last, when brutality and drunken semi-barbarism vote, and hold offices in their gift, and by fit representatives of themselves control a government?
Originally posted by Rockpuck
So all I am understanding is that you don't like Capitalism (in any form I presume) .. are a self styled "Communist" and you have a major issue with the York Rite and the Shrine. Oh and religion (of any form I presume).
You believe that because Free Masonry and the bodies that accept only Masons as members are by default religious because of religious wording either in degrees and or some guy wrote it in a book. You also believe they are all Capitalist, though you fail to rationalize why or how you believe Masonry is "Capitalist" .. you also believe that Masonry is in some way connected to drug smuggling (I have not figured this one out yet). At the same time all Masons are Fascist ... which is the complete opposite of Capitalism and is in fact a form of Socialism (ie, communism) .. And while Masons are evil and Satanic.. they are also obviously way to Christian and Jewish for you..
Originally posted by pepsi78
reply to post by Lucifer777
Tho we may not agree on god and other things,
I have always stated that masonry in general starts with the royality of scums across Europe, and with the crusades that killed many many people.
They have a lot of monkeys at their disposal, people that are willing to become a monkey for something in return. It is how it works, this organisation is just among others, I call it the control mechanism, control with religion, enslavement, making the human weak and obidiant to top it off with practice and knowlege of the occult.
People like them invented Christianity, not that I have something against Jesus, I don't his teachings were good.
One starts to wonder if they did not add to the bible, aditional words to control even better, they put the books they saw fit and made the bible, who knows what else they added in there.
They saw this as an oportunity to control the population and they used it as such, to always control the little guy, to always tax him and use fear to intimidate by the sword. This was main stream religion.
I have to add that they are part of Roman descent, and the Roman empire, this was done by the Roman empire, to control people, I have to say you felt for it, Jesus has nothing to do with it, has no fault.
They killed him then they made a religion out of it it's the same roman empire, same people, you think they give two cents about Jesus ? they don't.
Today it's not working, they wanted to bring a new religion based on Gaia, Budism and new age. Mix it and make one religion out of it, while today they are exposed, there is little before anything can be done, the implementation of one world order.
You are right, the donation or charity is to show a nice face, it's at the surface, superficial to put up a nice face, while behind the scenes they use the money for prostitution or who knows what.
They can't stand it when you talk bad about them, on no our "stainless organisation" masonry the most respected blah blah blah.
Originally posted by Extant Taxon
reply to post by Lucifer777
Yes, there is much literature on the subject area you mention, which I suppose is the modern Anglo-American form of Imperialism. But as I said, and I'll stand by it, referencing Coleman's "research" is not the best way to go. It's not a way to go at all as far as I'm concerned.
You may have heard of this historian yourself, but I'll include a link to his Wiki page and website for others on ATS to look into. I just have to include some real investigative work here to balance out the mere mention of Coleman and his crud:
en.wikipedia.org...
markcurtis.info...
I find Curtis' work excellent.
Masonry is a world wide organization, but nowhere do we owe loyalty to the aristocracy and royalty of Europe. Nor is Freemasonry tied to the Crusades.
www.answerbag.com...
How many people did the Christians kill during the crusades?
Between one million and five million human beings died during the crusades. here is a link to more information on the topic:
It's also very rude to call us monkeys as if we are just simple creatures.
There are probably as many definitions of the "Creator" or "Creators" as there are human beings who believe in a Creator or Creators. However once one chooses the Biblical definition of a deity, one automatically accepts a barbaric, primitive, genocidal, human-nature hating definition of absolute goodness, and that affects one's behaviour.
, human-nature hating definition of absolute goodness, and that affects one's behaviour.
Originally posted by pepsi78
, human-nature hating definition of absolute goodness, and that affects one's behaviour.
I don;t know what you mean by that, I'm curios maybe you can better explain.
You may agree with the term sort of show respect, if you don't get respect destroy the person who does not ?
I don't agree with it, tolerance is a way to go,
and yes I do beilive in a supreme higher power that I see as the creator, or creative force/ God, it's my personal expiriance that it is and it exists, it was there for me when I needed it, I know that for a fact and no one can convince me otherwise.
The United, Religious and Military Orders of the Temple and the Order of St. John of Jerusalem, Palestine, Rhodes and Malta
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by Lucifer777
Those are just costumes used. The various Masonic Templar Orders are sovereign unto themselves and we don't take oaths to royalty.
The various Masonic Templar Orders are sovereign unto themselves
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by pepsi78
We commemorate the values of the Templars.
Originally posted by Lucifer777
I will beat any price on salvation or double your money back in the afterlife plus 72 virgins.
Tolerating Muslims and Christians is much like tolerating Nazis; we are not speaking of a harmless belief, but militant and genocidal faiths and systems of government (theocratic monarchy) which have contributed greatly to economic and social hell on earth, and to the enslavement of humankind. These are simply savage, primitive and barbaric religions.
And there there are those strange homo-erotic BDSM rituals, which the Templars were also accused of.
There's no need to be secretive about it.