Freemasonry: a Cult of Neofascist, Militant, Genocidal, Capitalists and anti-Communists.

Freemasonry: a Cult of Neofascist, Militant, Genocidal, Capitalists and anti-Communists. An Anti-Capitalist Perspective..

Lucifer 2011





In the essay “On the Kabbalah. On Esoteric “Secrets.” A Luciferian Perspective,” on www.abovetopsecret.com... I have tried to "simplify" just exactly what the esoteric basis of Freemasonry is. Such Kabbalistic "secrets," however are no longer secrets and just about every New Age bookshop is full of texts of ramblings on this subject, as is the World Wide Web; there is no longer the same kind of “witch hunt” or persecution of competing philosophies to the memetic virus of Christianity and there is simply no longer any necessity for secrecy; however there are numerous organised Kabbalistic cults which are part of the multi-billion dollar religion business, and Masonry is one particular such Messianic cult, upon which a great deal of attention is focused, as they operate very much like a Capitalist gang, and they seem to be among the most economically powerful of Capitalism's gangs. From a British perspective at least, they most certainly "are" the UK's leading Capitalist "Mafia." Masonry is of course not the “only” Messianic religious cult which operates as a militant Capitalist and anti-Communist gang, and there are numerous other anti-Communist, Messianic religious cults of a similar nature such as the Korean Moon cult.



Above: American Jester Masons photographed while on their half million dollar (paid for from charity funds) weekend trip to Brazil with Brazilian prostitutes (who were allegedly aged from 11 years old upwards) See: www.abovetopsecret.com...



It seems to me that the reasons for “secrecy” in Masonry has very little to do with their actual cult teachings, but rather relate to protecting their actual "behaviour (such as U.S. events where prostitutes and strippers are commonly in attendence) from discovery and to conceal their various bizarre hazing rituals which have been reported in Masonic “side degrees,” and which the Masonic Internet proagandists go into fits of denialism over.



In relation to Anglo-American state terrorism, narco-terrorism, Imperialism etc., it seems to me that Freemasons are very much interwoven into the fabric of this, and in the UK alone there are around 50 lodges which appear to be exclusively for the armed services (see for example, www.militarymasons.co.uk... ). Thus the discussion of Anglo-American state terrorism / narco-terrorism seems to be quite relevant to Freemasonry, particularly as we have "Ksigmason" here on ATS who is quite open about being a US state terrorist, narco-terrorist collaborator. Irrespective of what is actual role is in the US army, he appears to be quite shameless with regards to his military collaboration with the US Imperialists, and he is by no means an exception; in fact one might expect most military Masons to be similarly proud of their collaboration with the world's leading terrorist organisation and naarcotics trafficker (i.e., the US military); further, in the UK, for example, the current aristocratic cult leader of the Masonic cult, the Duke of Kent, holds the highest rank the British Imperialist military.

The debating methods of the Masonic apologists and Masonic “group-think.”



Clearly the Masonic Internet propagandists have an agenda of obfuscation (confusion, ambiguity) and denialism, and they tend to be extremely contradictory. As is to be expected with any Capitalist gang or religious cult, their most common form of defence appears to be mockery, contradiction and abuse; most Masonic cultists appear to be incapable of accepting criticism, and mostly appear to be totally indoctrinated ideological Capitalists; they generally do not admit to criticisms of their cult, even when such criticisms are justified, as the couple of hundred or so responses from Masonic gang members on the thread "On Masonic Charity: The world's largest non religious charity scam. On the Shriners and Jesters," on www.abovetopsecret.com... indicates. This is really quite predictable, as almost all cultists or gang members behave this way when their gang, cult or fellow gang members or cultists are criticised; it is a predictable aspect of cult "groupthink." The behaviour of their Internet propagandists in general is not really typical of a group of intellectuals or academics, but rather more as one would would expect from a gang of Capitalist thugs or religious cultists.

The disbanded P2 (Propaganda Due) Masonic Lodge: an anti-Communist cult of infiltration and control.

When we study a religious cult or a Capitalist gang (and Masonry fits both descriptions, in my judgement), it is not sufficient merely to study the propaganda or stated "beliefs" and rituals of the cult or gang, but one must also study the "behaviour" of the cultists themselves. We can also study, not only existing Masonic cults, but also disbanded Masonic cults, some of whom there is a much clearer understanding of their nature than when they were covert. If we consider, for example, the Italian P2 Masonic cult, whose membership included the Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi, consider for example, the following:

.... documents were found hidden in the false bottom of a suitcase belonging to Gelli's daughter at Fiumicino airport in Rome. The two documents were entitled "Memorandum sulla situazione italiana" (Memorandum on the Italian situation) "Piano di rinascita democratica" (Plan of Democratic Rebirth) and are seen as the political programme of P2. According to these documents, the main enemies of Italy were the Italian Communist Party (PCI) and the trade unions. These had to be isolated and cooperation with the communists (the second biggest party in Italy and the largest in Western Europe), which was proposed in the historic compromise by Aldo Moro needed to be disrupted.

Gelli's goal was to form a new political and economic elite to lead Italy towards a right-wing, authoritarian form of democracy, with an anti-communist pre-occupation. P2 advocated a programme of extensive political corruption: "political parties, newspapers and trade unions can be the objects of possible solicitations which could take the form of economic-financial manoeuvres. The availability of sums not exceeding 30 to 40 billion lire would seem sufficient to allow carefully chosen men, acting in good faith, to conquer key positions necessary for overall control."

.....Some see the P2 as a reactionary, shadow government ready to take over power in case of an electoral victory of the Italian Communist Party.

..........On May 21, 1981, the Italian government released the list (of P2 members). The Parliamentary Commission of Inquiry headed by Tina Anselmi considered the list reliable and genuine. It decided to publish the list in its concluding report, Relazione della Commissione parlamentare d’inchiesta sulla Loggia massonica P2.

The list contains 962 names (including Gelli's). It has been claimed that at least a thousand names may still be secret, as the membership numbers begin with number 1,600, which suggests that the complete list has not yet been found. The list included all of the heads of the secret services, 195 officers of the different armed forces (12 generals of the Carabinieri, 5 of the financial police Guardia di Finanza, 22 of the army, 4 of the air force and 8 admirals), as well as 44 members of parliament, 3 ministers and a secretary of a political party, leading magistrates, a few prefects and heads of police, bankers and businessmen, civil servants, journalists and broadcasters.[7] Also included were a top official of the Banca di Roma, Italy's third largest bank at the time, and a former director-general of the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro (BNL), the country's largest

en.wikipedia.org...

What we can discover with the P2 Masonic cult / gang is an "anti-Communist" organisation whose agenda was a "right-wing, authoritarian form of democracy, with an anti-communist pre-occupation (Ibid), whose members appeared to have a great deal of economic power and included major bankers and members of the Italian military and government. Although P2's membership was allegedly larger than the approximate "2000" estimated members, this is clearly a rather small anti-Communist cult in comparison to the approximately half million UK Freemasons and the approximately 1.5 million US Freemasons. Further, although a number of leading bankers were members of P2, their economic power was comparatively insignificant in comparison to the British Freemasons, who have their own financial city with it's own laws and police force (i.e., The City of London), and where there are allegedly several hundred lodges in the "Square Mile" alone, many of them connected to leading financial institutions such as Lloyd of London, where it has been alleged (In Martin Short's "Inside the Brotherhood") that Masonic membership is "compulsory" at certain career levels.

Clearly although P2 no longer exists officially, certainly the current Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi's political party "Il Popolo della Libertà(the People of Freedom)" is most certainly one whose ideology could be similarly (similarly to the P2) described as a "right-wing, authoritarian form of democracy, with an anti-communist pre-occupation; this would appear to also to be a definition of modern Neofascism. Clearly the priority is to maintain the economic dictatorship of the Capitalists, irrespective of what political party is given the illusion of holding the reigns of legislative power.



Freemasonry as a militant anti-Communist cult.

Similarly it is my judgement that by far the vast majority of the Freemasons of the 21st century tend to be anti-Communists, ideological Capitalists and Anglo-American state terrorist, narco-terrorist collaborators. Generally the political Left have tended to ignore the various bizarre (and often untrue) Masonic conspiracy theories, often promoted by Christians whose are similarly anti-Communist but who embrace competing religious philosophies in the multi-billion dollar religion marketplace. The general perspective of the Left is that the "International Dictatorship of Capitalism" is, to state the obvious, a dictatorship of Capitalists, not of Freemasons, however I have attempted to address this in numerous Internet essays, as I identify the Freemasons as a major Capitalist gang, who probably constitute "the" major Capitalist gang and are thus one of the major threats to future socialist revolutions and the eventual dismantling of the ideological disease of Capitalism.



Thus I must define the Freemasons in general as a genocidal and militant anti-Communist cult and a leading Capitalist gang. A predicted response from the Masons is that Masonry has no political, economic, imperialist or military objectives (just as one would expect a similar response from the disbanded P2 gang members); however "Masonry" is an abstract concept in the minds of all Freemasons; Masonry has no independent existence apart from the Freemasons (i.e., "persons" who are Masons) themselves, and thus "Masonry" can be found innocent of every criticism; thus I refer only to the "Freemasons" themselves and not to the abstract and imaginary concept of "Masonry," which exists only in the imagination of the Masonic gang members themselves.



Defining the devils of Capitalism as “good” and “godly” in Orwellian Newspeak.

I have no objection to debating civilly with the Masonic Internet propagandists and apologists for Freemasonry, however it must be borne in mind that from the perspective of the political Left and of the Vanguard of future Socialist revolutions, that the Freemasons should be essentially considered to be "Capitalist Devils." A "good" Freemason can be a Capitalist and a militant, genocidal Anglo-American state terrorist, narco-terrorist, imperialist collaborator; thus the use of the term “good” is simply an inversion of the world "good," and cult doublespeak, such as a "good" slavemaster, or a "good" Nazi, or a "good" mass murderer. When a Christian or a Freemason uses the term “good” or “moral” they are generally referring to an anti-Communist definitions of such terms; this is part of the problem of religious hypnosis and indoctrination, that a cultist can commit all manner of economic and military evil, thinking themselves to be “good” and be worthy of being ultimately rewarded by the Capitalist Devil whom they refer to as their “god” in the afterlife.



Freemasonry: My Judgement.

Since the Freemasons tend to be militant, genocidal, ideological Capitalists and Anglo-American state terrorist, narco-terrorist collaborators, I consider it important to incite open hostility against such subhumans, however I in no way wish to ally myself with the numerous Christian conspiracy theorists who oppose Masonry, as Masonry and Christianity are simply two different forms of religious and anti-Communist mind viruses whose definition of a deity is that of an anti-Communist and ideologically Capitalist Devil. Ultimately “both” the Christians and the Freemasons in general, are ideologically anti-Communist, and can thus be judged as “economic parasites” and persons who are entirely devoid of moral worth, and as the personification of malevolent forces which restrict progressive and socialist political revolution and evolution.

Lucifer
Blasphemy, Heresy, War, Revolution, etc.

"Hatred as an element of the struggle; a relentless hatred of the enemy, impelling us over and beyond the natural limitations that man is heir to and transforming him into an effective, violent, selective and cold killing machine. Our soldiers must be thus; a people without hatred cannot vanquish a brutal enemy." Che Guevara.

On the Capitalist Holocaust

“Why?”

By Fidel Castro

The following is the full text of the speech delivered by Cuban President Fidel Castro at the Palace of Nations in Geneva on the occasion of the presentation to him of the Health for All Medal by the World Health Organization, Thursday, May 14, 1998.

Your excellencies, officials of the WHO, distinguished delegates.

All praise to the World Health Organization, which together with UNICEF, has helped to save the lives of hundreds of millions of children and millions of mothers, which has relieved the suffering and saved the lives of many more millions of human beings.

These two institutions -- together with the Food and Agriculture Organization, the United Nations Development Program, the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development, the World Food Program, the United Nations Population Fund, UNESCO, and other organizations so bitterly opposed by those who would like to erase from the face of the earth the noble ideas which inspired the creation of the United Nations - - have made a decisive contribution to the establishment of a universal awareness of the serious problems of the world today and the great challenges which we have before us.

According to the calculations of renowned economists, the world economy grew six-fold and the production of wealth and services grew from less than five trillion to more than twenty-nine trillion dollars between 1950 and 1997. Why then is it still the case that each year, 12 million children under five years of age die -- that is to say 33,000 per day -- of whom the overwhelming majority could be saved?

Nowhere in the world, in no act of genocide, in no war, are so many people killed per minute, per hour and per day as those who are killed by hunger and poverty on our planet -- 53 years after the creation of the United Nations.

The children who die and could be saved are almost 100% poor and of those who survive, we must ask why 500,000 are left blind every year for lack of a simple vitamin which costs less than a pack of cigarettes per year?

Why are 200 million children under five years of age undernourished?

Why are there 250 million children and adolescents working? Why do 110 million not attend primary school and 275 million fail to attend secondary school?

Why do two million girls become prostitutes each year?

Why in this world -- which already produces almost 30 trillion dollars worth of goods and services per year -- do one billion 300 million human beings live in absolute poverty, receiving less than a dollar a day -- when there are those who receive more than a million dollars a day?

Why do 800 million lack the most basic health services?

Why is it that of the 50 million people who die each year in the world, whether adults or children, 17 million -- that is approximately 50,000 per day -- die of infectious diseases which could almost all be cured -- or, even better, be prevented -- at a cost which is sometimes no more than one dollar per person?

How much is a human life worth?

What is the cost to humanity of the unjust and intolerable order which prevails in the world?

585,000 women died during pregnancy or in childbirth in 1996, 99% of them in the Third World, 70,000 due to abortions carried out in poor conditions, 69,000 of them in Latin America, Africa and Asia?

Apart from the huge differences in the quality of life between rich and poor countries, people in rich countries live an average of 12 years longer than people in poor countries. And even within some nations, the difference in life expectancy between the richest and poorest is between 20 and 35 years.

It is really sad to think that just in the area of maternal and post-natal services, in spite of the efforts of the WHO and UNICEF over the last 50 years, the number of deaths from lack of medical services has been 600 million children and 25 million mothers who could have survived. That would have required a more rational and more just world.

In that same post-war period, in the area of military expenditure, 30 trillion dollars were spent. According to UN estimates, the cost of providing universal access to basic health care services would be 25 billion dollars per year -- just three percent of the 800 billion dollars which are currently devoted to military expenditure -- and this after the end of the Cold War.

There is no let up in arms sales, which have the sole purpose of killing, while the medicines which should be provided to save lives become increasingly expensive. The market in medicines in 1995 reached 280 billion dollars. The developed countries, with 14.6% of the world's population -- 824 million inhabitants -- consume 82% of the medicines. The rest of the world -- 4 billion 815 million people -- consume only 18%.


Prices of medicines are prohibitive for the Third World, where only the privileged sectors can afford them. The control of patents and markets by the large transnational companies enables them to raise those prices as much as ten times above their production costs. Some of the latest antibiotics are priced at 50 times their production cost.

And the world's population continues to grow. We are now almost six billion and growing at a rate of 80 million per year. It took two million years to reach the first billion people, a hundred years to reach the second billion, and 11 years to reach the last billion. In 50 years, there will be four billion new inhabitants on the planet.

Old illnesses have returned and new ones are appearing: AIDS, the Ebola virus, Anthrax, BSE or mad cow disease -- more than thirty according to the specialists. Either we defeat AIDS or AIDS will destroy many Third World countries.

No poor person can pay the 10,000 dollars per person each year that current treatments cost -- which merely prolong life without actually curing the disease.

The climate is changing. The seas and the atmosphere are heating up. The air and water are becoming contaminated. Soil is eroding, deserts are growing, forests are disappearing and water is becoming scarce.

Who can save our species? The blind, uncontrollable law of the market?

Neo-liberal globalization, alone and for its own sake, like a cancer which devours human beings and destroys nature? That cannot be the way forward or at least it can only last for a brief period in history. The WHO is fighting heroically against these realities and it also has the duty of being optimistic.

As a Cuban and a revolutionary, I share their optimism. With a current infant mortality rate of 7.2 per thousand live births during the first year; a doctor for every 176 inhabitants -- which is the highest level in the world -- and a life expectancy of more than 75 years of age, Cuba has fulfilled the WHO Health for All program for the year 2000 since 1983 -- in spite of the cruel blockade it has suffered for almost 40 years, in spite of being a poor, Third World country.

The attempt to commit genocide against our country has only made us redouble our efforts and increased our will to survive.

The world can also fight and win."

edit on 12-4-2011 by Lucifer777 because: Formatting

What are you talking about?

Communism has killed more people than capitalism, because capitalism is voluntary action.

Originally posted by epsilon69
What are you talking about?

Communism has killed more people than capitalism, because capitalism is voluntary action.

This is a commonplace anti-Communist response, however I have never found exchanging statistics to be useful; to the anti-Communist, it does not matter how many millions of people the Anglo-American state terrorist, narco-terrorist, imperilaists have killed, no amount military coups, assassinations, covert and overt wars, false flag operations (etc) or the billions of people in poverty, the 200 million people who are laways on the verge of starvation or the millions who die each year of the effects of poverty, or the millions of people who live their lives as sex slaves or labour slaves, are sufficient to convince the militant ideological Capitalist of the genocidal cruelty and malevolence of Capitalism; the anti-Communist is generally far more concerned with accusing Communists for the genocides of Stalin, whom the vast majority of modern Communists share Trotsky's judgement on, that Stalin simply betrayed the Revolution and turned Russia into his personal dictatorship.

Communists have always been ideologically militant and will always have to be ideologically militant, since the Capitalists themselves are genocidally and apocalyptically militant and are armed with weapons of mass destruction. It is simply not possible to resolve the problems of economic evil without the blood of martyrs and tyrants.

Lux

The CIA: America's Premier International Terrorist Organization www.serendipity.li...
A timeline of CIA atrocities: www.serendipity.li...
CIA support for death squads www.serendipity.li...
THE CIA: "COCAINE IMPORTING AGENCY" on: www.angelfire.com...
The entirety of Rodney Stich's "Great Work," "Defrauding America" can be read on: www.copi.com...
See also: ciadrugs.homestead.com...

And your point is?
I think that you are just a scared little commie.
I could be wrong.

reply to post by Lucifer777


I totally agree. Everyone is militant.
I believe it may be beyond human capacity to come up with a long term form of government that does not lead to all out tyranny and/or genocide. Oh yeah, this thread is about the masonic boogeyman, sorry.

Im a mason I had no idea I was all these things. Thanks for enlightening me I had no idea charity work, fund raising for youth sports, eye testing and giving glasses to poor children and having one of the largest free childrens hospitals in america for poor children made me anti communist devil worshiper seeing how the things i listed above is about 90% of what i do as a mason. you really want to know what the real secret is we are one of the largest charitys in the world for poor and sick children but shhhh wouldnt want that to get out.

Man, the rest of you ATS Masons are lazy. If you are not called out and named in a thread, you ain't cool.

It is a correct portrayal of things that Fascists and Communists cant stand Freemasonry and therefore deem it necessary to print, publish and post disinformation about them. Fascists and Commies have the same attitudes toward Jews. The same issue seen from the other side of the fence:

The very real conspiracy against Freemasonry

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brother, you might want to look into the history of posts on this one. You will see about 90% of them are identical to this one. Not just in tone, but in content. Nothing good can come from any discussion. We are all below his incredible intelligence.

Anyone who still holds on to the political ideals of communism has some much deeper issues. Those who don't learn from history are destined to repeat it. Like his posts. Repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat.........

It looks to me like this is babylonian culture. Babylonian fish heads.


Compared to this, the great dragon babylon.


and more...

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GET THE COMFY CHAIR~!

Originally posted by Lucifer777

Referencing "Dr." John Coleman hardly helps your case. His work is pseudo-historical garbage, a minefield of misinformation and disinformation.
He plucked the "committee of 300" from one single page of Carroll Quigley's magnum opus referring to one group of men, at a single point in history, who allegedly directed the affairs of Europe; and whose authority was then superseded by other groups of different number, and member composition.

The fallacy of the monolithic über-conspiracy strikes again.

This thread baffles me and again i'm on no side, first and by the way i'v recorded this line on a tape so i don't have to keep saying it over and over again...so let me press play...the tape says "I'm anti secret society" so there i said it again for the tenth thousand time, but that being said there are masons on here i like i just don't think they fully understand the pledge they took, ok now that that's out of the way this freakin guy 777 almost makes me like the organization of Masonry by saying there anti-Communists good at least one thing good comes from masonry if your to believe his diatribe......


Communism is pure evil on the same leg that the allegded higher ups in masonry are so who's side to take, i'd have to look at it this way if the secret higher ups of masonry do exist most masons on here are unaware of it while 777 gladly admits he wants a dictator and Communism so his ideals are the worst between the two groups and what i mean is the group of masons on here who are unaware of the higher ups if they do exist....

That being said i doubt i'll get one star for this post because i took the middle but it had to be said....

Feeling that sympathy, it is his first Masonic duty to serve his fellow-man. At his first entrance into the Order, he ceases to be isolated, and becomes one of a great brotherhood, assuming new duties toward every Mason that lives, as every Mason at the same moment assumes them toward him.

Nor are those duties on his part confined to Masons alone. He assumes many in regard to his country, and especially toward the great, suffering masses of the common people; for they too are his brethren, and God hears them, inarticulate as the moanings of their misery are. By all proper means, of persuasion and influence, and otherwise, if the occasion and emergency require, he is bound to defend them against oppression, and tyrannical and illegal exactions.

He labors equally to defend and to improve the people. He does not flatter them to mislead them, nor fawn upon them to rule them, nor conceal his opinions to humor them, nor tell them that they can never err, and that their voice is the voice of God. He knows that the safety of every free government, and its continuance and perpetuity depend upon the virtue and intelligence of the common people; and that, unless their liberty is of such a kind as arms can neither procure nor take away; unless it is the fruit of manly courage, of justice, temperance, and generous virtue--unless, being such, it has taken deep root in the minds and hearts of the people at large, there will not long be wanting those who will snatch from them by treachery what they have acquired by arms or institutions.
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For though we do not know why God, being infinitely merciful as well as wise, has so ordered it, it seems to be unquestionably his law, that even in civilized and Christian countries, the large mass of the population shall be fortunate, if, during their whole life, from infancy to old age, in health and sickness, they have enough of the commonest and coarsest food to keep themselves and their children from the continual gnawing of hunger--enough of the commonest and coarsest clothing to protect themselves and their little ones from indecent exposure and the bitter cold; and if they have over their heads the rudest shelter.

And He seems to have enacted this law--which no human community has yet found the means to abrogate--that when a country becomes populous, capital shall concentrate in the hands of a limited number of persons, and labor become more and more at its mercy, until mere manual labor, that of the weaver and iron-worker, and other artisans, eventually ceases to be worth more than a bare subsistence, and often, in great cities and vast extents of country, not even that, and goes or crawls about in rags, begging, and starving for want of work.

While every ox and horse can find work, and is worth being fed, it is not always so with man. To be employed, to have a chance to work at anything like fair wages, becomes the great engrossing object of a man's life. The capitalist can live without employing the laborer, and discharges him whenever that labor ceases to be profitable. At the moment when the weather is most inclement, provisions dearest, and rents highest, he turns him off to starve. if the day-laborer is taken sick, his wages stop. When old, he has no pension to retire upon. His children cannot be sent to school; for before their bones are hardened they must get to work lest they starve. The man, strong and able-bodied, works for a shilling or two a day, and the woman shivering over her little pan of coals, when the mercury drops far below zero, after her hungry children have wailed themselves to sleep, sews by the dim light of her lonely candle, for a bare pittance, selling her life to him who bargained only for the work of her needle.
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How to deal with this apparently inevitable evil and mortal disease is by far the most important of all social problems. What is to be done with pauperism and over-supply of labor? How is the life of any country to last, when brutality and drunken semi-barbarism vote, and hold offices in their gift, and by fit representatives of themselves control a government? How, if not wisdom and authority, but turbulence and low vice are to exalt to senatorships miscreants reeking with the odors and pollution of the hell, the prize-ring, the brothel, and the stock-exchange, where gambling is legalized and rascality is laudable?

Masonry will do all in its power, by direct exertion and co-operation, to improve and inform as well as to protect the people; to better their physical condition, relieve their miseries, supply their wants, and minister to their necessities. Let every Mason in this good work do all that may be in his power.

For it is true now, as it always was and always will be, that to be free is the same thing as to be pious, to be wise, to be temperate and just, to be frugal and abstinent, and to be magnanimous and brave; and to be the opposite of all these is the same as to be a slave. And it usually happens, by the appointment, and, as it were, retributive justice of the Deity, that that people which cannot govern themselves, and moderate their passions, but crouch under the slavery of their lusts and vices, are delivered up to the sway of those whom they abhor, and made to submit to an involuntary servitude.

Morals & Dogma, Ch. XI

I`m with Fidel on this one.......hail the Cuban revolution!

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The pictures really throw me off to be honest, I can't read your thread with all these non essential, non related pictures that really don't have anything to do with Masonry. Masons, especially York Rite like to dress up. Ok. What's that got to do with them hating commies?

As Sky said.. there is a long history of Commies, Fascist and Monarchies censoring, killing, and arresting Freemasons .. to say there is a Masonic conspiracy against them is kind of absurd..

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I like how everybody loves to quote Pike when they are indicting masonry, but nobody has anything to say when his words are used to dispel all this anti-masonic crap...

So what about it antis? Does Pike speak for Freemasonry or not?

Many Moe and Jack!!!!!

I think this picture represents a inside joke because at this point everytime i see it i laugh if i were 777 i'd trademark the dame thing....

That being said i'm curious to see were this thread gos because i wanna see the people who don't like masonry and communism give there take on it, i already did but i wanna see were this gos...

Originally posted by Extant Taxon

Originally posted by Lucifer777

Referencing "Dr." John Coleman hardly helps your case. His work is pseudo-historical garbage, a minefield of misinformation and disinformation.
He plucked the "committee of 300" from one single page of Carroll Quigley's magnum opus referring to one group of men, at a single point in history, who allegedly directed the affairs of Europe; and whose authority was then superseded by other groups of different number, and member composition.

The fallacy of the monolithic über-conspiracy strikes again.

Yes I do agree to an extent; Coleman is an ex-MI6 officer who became smitten with the disease of Christianity, and his work is bizzarre; he is clearly a homophobic religious fanatic who finds "Satanism" in everything from the modern sexual revolution to rock music,; however since he is ex-MI6 and turned against his masters, I don't think that one needs to ignore his factual allegations, such as that the running of the drugs trade by various economic elites with the assistance of major banks and the Anglo-American state terrorist governments and military, and that there are an elite group of establishment Capitalists which run Britain and the world.

When one extracts the allegations and testimonials of events from his ramblings and analysis, I find him to be insightful as to the nature of Capitalism, state terrorism / narco-terrorism, etc., despite him being an ideological Capitalist and anti-Communist himself.

In a court of law, the fact that a person is a suffering from the memetic virus of religion (as Coleman clearly is; indeed as most of the US population is also), is not sufficient to discredit their testimony, when such religious ramblings are separated from their accusations.

While Coleman is most certainly a religious fanatic and an anti-Communist, this is not however sufficient to establish that he is simply "lying" regarding his numerous experiences and converstations with other members of the banking and military community, which he claims to have an "insider" prespective on. Clearly his claims regarding a "Committe of 300" should perhaps be taken metaphorically; whether it is 299 or 301 or 3001, I think that it is quite clear that there is an "International Dictatorshjip of Capitalism" which is a rather small oligarchy of economic elites who constitute Capitalism's economic dictatorship.

Further with regards to Coleman's allegations that the Anglo-American state terrorist governments and numerous major banks are major participators in the global narcotics trade, there is an abundance of literature on this subject from other souces. I spent around a year myself on the "inside" to an extent of London's shady investment banking subculture, and the subject of the US military, the Brtish government and major banks being involved in narco-terrorism is simply presupposed by the banking community; it is no secret at all.

Lucifer

"Conspirators' Hierarchy: The Story of the Committee of 300 (1991)", by Dr. John Coleman
can be read in entirety on: www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

The real reason that the drug problem is not eradicated is because it is being run by the highest families in the entire world as part of a coordinated gigantic money-making machine.

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Up until a relatively short time ago, the true history of the China opium trade was quite unknown, having been as well covered up as it is possible to do. Many of my former students in the days when I was lecturing, would come and ask me why the Chinese were so fond of smoking opium? They were puzzled as are many still today, over contradictory accounts of what had actually taken place in China. Most thought it was merely a case of the Chinese workers buying opium on an open market and smoking it, or going to some of the thousands of opium dens and forgetting their terrible existence for a while.

The truth is that the supply of opium to China was a British monopoly, an OFFICIAL monopoly of the British government and official British policy. The Indo-British opium trade in China was one of the best kept secrets, around which many misleading legends grew up, such as "Clive of India" and the tales of derring-do by the British Army in India for the glory of "the Empire," so well written by Rudyard Kipling, and tales of "Tea Clippers" racing across the oceans with their cargoes of China tea for the high society drawing rooms of Victorian England. In reality, the history of British occupation of India and Britain's Opium Wars are some of the most dastardly blots on Western civilization.

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There will be those who doubt this statement. "Look at this business columns of the Financial Times," they will tell us. "Don't tell me that this is all related to drug money"? OF COURSE IT IS, but don't imagine for one minute that the noble lords and ladies of England are going to advertise the fact. Remember the British East India Company? Officially, its business was trading in tea!

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The trade was conducted by the illustrious British East India Company, whose meddling in political, religious and economic affairs of the United States has cost us very dearly for over 200 years. The 300 members of the British East India Company's board were a cut above the common herd. They were so mighty, as Lord Bertrand Russell once observed, "They could even give God advice when he had trouble in Heaven." Nor should we imagine that anything has changed in the intervening years. .....

Later the British Crown, i.e., the Royal Family, joined the British East India Company's trade, and used it as a vehicle to produce opium in Bengal, and elsewhere in India, controlling exports through what was called "transit duties," that is, the Crown levied a tax on all producers of opium duly registered with the state authority, who were sending their opium to China.

Prior to 1896, when the trade was still "illegal"--a word used to extract greater tribute from the producers of opium-- there never having been the slightest attempt to stop the trade, colossal amounts of opium were shipped out of India on board "China Tea Clippers," those sailing ships around which legend and lore were built, which supposedly carried chests of tea from India and China to the London exchanges.

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The Bengal merchants and their British controllers and bankers grew fat and intolerant on the enormous amounts of money that poured into the coffers of the British East India Company from the wretched Chinese coolies opium trade. BEIC profits, even in those years, far exceeded the combined profits made in a single year by General Motors, Ford and Chrysler in their heydays. The trend in making huge profits out of drugs was carried over into the 1960's by such "legal" drug death merchants as Sandoz, the makers of '___' and Hoffman la Roche, manufacturers of Valium. The cost of the raw material and manufacturing of Valium to Hoffman la Roche is $3 per kilo (2.2 pounds). It is sold to their distributors for $20,000 per kilo. By the time it reaches the consumer, the price of Valium has risen to $50,000 per kilo. Valium is used in huge quantities in Europe and the United States. It is possibly the most used drug of its kind in the world.

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Remember this the next time you see those lovely advertise ments of Swiss ski slopes, beautiful watches, pristine mountains and cuckoo clocks. That is not what Switzerland is about. It is about dirty multi-billion dollar money laundering which is car ried out by major Swiss banking houses.
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British banks engaged in this terrible (narcotics) trade are too numerous to mention, but a few of the top ones are:


The British Bank of the Middle East.
Midland Bank.
National and Westminster Bank.
Barclays Bank.
Royal Bank of Canada.
Hong Kong and Shanghai Bank.
Baring Brothers Bank.

Many of the merchant banks are up to their hocks in pigswill drug trade profits, banks such as Hambros for example, run by Sir Jocelyn Hambro. For a really interesting major study of the Chinese opium trade, one would need access to India Office in London. I was able to get in there because of my intelligence service and received great assistance from the trustee of the papers of the late Professor Frederick Wells Williamson, which provided much information on the opium trade carried on by the British East India Company in India and China in the 18th and 19th centuries. If only those papers could be made public, what a storm would burst over the heads of the crowned vipers of Europe.

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Britain has been involved in the China opium trade for over two centuries. No one is going to be so foolish as to rock the boat when millions upon millions of dollars flow into the bank accounts of the British oligarchists and more gold is traded on the Hong Kong gold market than the combined total traded in London and New York.



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Opium dens began proliferating all across China, and in the big cities like Shanghai and Canton, hundreds of thousands of miserable Chinese found that a pipe of opium seemingly made life bearable. The British East India Company had a clear run for over a 100 years before the Chinese government woke up to what was happening. It was only in 1729 that the first laws against opium smoking were passed. The 300 board members of BEIC did not like it one bit and, never one to back down, the company was soon engaged in a running battle with the Chinese government.

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The vile opium trade was talked about in the upper-crust circles of English society for many years as "the spoils of the Empire." The tall tales of valor in the Khyber Pass covered a vast trade in opium. The British Army was stationed in the Khyber Pass to protect caravans carrying raw opium from being pillaged by hill tribesmen. Did the British royal family know this? They must have, what else would induce the Crown to keep an army in this region where there was nothing of much worth other than the lucrative opium trade? It was very expensive to keep men under arms in a far away country. Her Majesty must have asked why these military units were there? Certainly not to play polo or billiards in the officers' mess.
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Friction with the Chinese government was common. The Chinese had passed a law, the Yung Cheny Edict of 1729, forbidding the importation of opium, yet the BEIC managed to keep opium as an entry in the Chinese Customs Tariff books until 1753, the duty being three taels per chest of opium. Even when British special secret service (the 007 of the day) saw to it that troublesome Chinese officials were bought off, and in cases where that was not possible, they were simply murdered.
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Every British monarch since 1729 has benefited immensely from the drug trade and this holds good for the present occupant of the throne. Their ministers saw to it that wealth flowed into their family coffers. One such minister of Victoria's was Lord Palmerston. He clung obstinately to the belief that nothing should be allowed to stop Britain's opium trade with China. Palmerston's plan was to supply the Chinese government with enough opium to make individual members become greedy. Then the British would withhold supplies and when the Chinese government was on its knees, supplies would be resumed--but at a much higher price, thus retaining a monopoly through the Chinese government itself, but the plan failed.

The Chinese government responded by destroying large cargoes of opium stored in warehouses, and British merchants were required to sign INDIVIDUAL agreements not to import any more opium into Canton. BEIC responded by sending scores of fully-loaded opium carrying ships to lie in the roads of Macao. Companies beholden to BEIC, rather than individuals, then sold these cargoes. Chinese Commissioner Lin said, "There is so much opium on board English vessels now lying in the roads of this place (Macao) which will never be returned to the country from which it came, and I shall not be surprised to hear of its being smuggled in under American colors." Lin's prophecy proved to be remarkably accurate.

The Opium Wars against China were designed to "put the Chinese in their place" as Lord Palmerston once said, and the British Army did that. There was simply no stopping the vast, lucrative trade which provided the British oligarchical feudal lords with untold billions, while leaving China with millions of opium addicts.
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The Golden Triangle is no longer the largest producer of opium. That dubious title has since 1987 been shared by the Golden Crescent (Iran), Pakistan and Lebanon. These are the principle opium producers, although smaller quantities are once again coming out of Afghanistan and Turkey. The drug trade, and more: especially the opium trade, could not function without the help of banks .....

How do banks with their great air of respectability fit into the drug trade with all of its attendant filth? It is a very long and complicated story, which could be the subject of a book on its own. One way in which banks participate is by financing front companies importing the chemicals needed to process raw opium into heroin. The Hong Kong and Shanghai Bank with a branch office in London is right in the middle of such trade through a company called TEJAPAIBUL, which banks with Hong Kong and Shanghai Bank. What does this company do? It imports into Hong Kong most of the chemicals needed in the heroin refining process.

It is also a major supplier of acetic anhydride For the Golden Crescent and the Golden Triangle, Pakistan, Turkey and Lebanon. The actual financing for this trading is hived off to the Bangkok Metropolitan Bank. Thus, the secondary activities connected with processing opium, while not in the same category us the opium trade, nevertheless generates substantial income for banks. But the real income of the Hong Kong and Shanghai Bank and indeed all banks in the region is financing the actual opium trade.

It took a lot of research on my part to link the price of gold to the price of opium. I used to tell anyone who would listen, "If you want to know the price of gold find out what the price of a pound or a kilo of opium is in Hong Kong." To my critics I answered, "Take a look at what happened in 1977, a critical year for gold." The Bank of China shocked the gold pundits, and those clever forecasters who are to be found in great numbers in America, by suddenly and without warning, dumping 80 tons of gold on the market.

That depressed the price of gold in a big hurry. All the experts could say was, "We never knew China had that much gold where could it have come from?" It came from the gold which is paid to China in the Hong Kong Gold Market for large purchases of opium. The current policy of the Chinese government toward England is the same as it was in the 18th and 19th centuries. The Chinese economy, tied to the economy of Hong Kong--and I don't mean television sets, textiles, radios, watches, pirated cassette and video tapes--I mean opium/heroin--would take a terrible beating if it were not for the opium trade it shares with Britain. ....

The oldest of the oligarchical British families who were leaders in the opium trade for the past 200 years are still in it today.
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This is precisely the way the Bank of International Settle ments and the IMF are operating. Let me say without hesitation that both these banks are nothing more than bully-boy clearing houses for the drug trade. The BIS undermines any country that the IMF wants to sink by setting up ways and means for the easy outflow of flight capital. Nor does BIS recognize nor make any distinction when it comes down to what is flight capital and what is laundered drug money.

The BIS operates on gangster lines. If a country will not submit to asset-stripping by the IMF, then it says in effect, "Right, then we will break you by means of the huge cache of narco-dollars we are holding." It is easy to understand why gold was demonetized and substituted with the paper "dollar" as the world's reserve currency. It is not as easy to blackmail a country holding gold reserves as it is one having its reserves in paper dollars.

The IMF held a meeting in Hong Kong a few years ago which was attended by a colleague of mine and he told me the seminar dealt with this very question. He informed me that the IMF agents told the meeting that they could literally cause a run on any country's currency, using narco-dollars, which would precipitate a flight of capital. Rainer-Gut, a Credit Suisse delegate............ said he foresaw a situation where national credit and national financing would be under one umbrella organization by the turn of the century. While Rainer-Gut did not spell it out, everybody at the seminar knew exactly what he was talking about.

..From Colombia to Miami, from the Golden Triangle to the Golden Gate, from Hong Kong to New York, from Bogota to Frankfurt, the drug trade, and more especially the heroin trade, is BIG BUSINESS and it is run from the top down by some of the most "untouchable" families in the world,...... It is not a street corner business, and it takes a great deal of money and expertise to keep it flowing smoothly. .......
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The heroin trade is financed by Hong Kong banks, London banks and some Middle East banks such as the British Bank of the Middle East. Lebanon is fast becoming the "Switzerland of the Middle East." Countries involved in the distribution and routing of heroin are Hong Kong, Turkey, Bulgaria, Italy, Monaco, France (Corsica and Marseilles) Lebanon and Pakistan. .....

There is not a single government that does not know precisely what is going on with regard to the drug trade, ...... If any government member is "difficult," he or she is removed, as in the case of Pakistan's Ali Bhutto and Italy's Aldo Moro.

Like the Kintex Company of Bulgaria, most smaller coun tries have a direct hand in these criminal enterprises. Kintex trucks regularly ferried heroin through Western Europe in its own fleet of trucks bearing the EEC marker Triangle Internationale Routier (TIR). Trucks bearing this marker and the EEC recognition number are not supposed to be stopped at customs boarder posts. TlR trucks are allowed to carry only perishable items. They are supposed to be inspected in the country from whence they originated and documentation to this effect is supposed to be carried by each truck driver.

Under international treaty obligations this is what happens, thus Kintex trucks were able load their cargoes of heroin and certify it as "fresh fruit and vegetables;" and then make their way through Western Europe, even entering high-security NATO bases in Northern Italy. In this manner, Bulgaria became one of the principal countries through which heroin was routed.

The only way to stop the huge amounts of heroin and coc aine presently finding their way to markets in Europe is to end the TIR system. That will never happen. The international treaty obligations I have just mentioned were set ......, to facilitate passage of all manner of drugs to Western Europe. Forget perishable goods! A former DEA agent stationed in Italy told me, "TIR=DOPE."

Remember this the next time you read in the newspapers that a big haul of heroin was found in a false-bottom suitcase at Kennedy Airport, and some unlucky "mule" pays the price for his criminal activity. This kind of action is only "small pota toes," sand in the eyes of the public, to make us think our government is really doing something about the drug menace. Take for example, "The French Connection," ....The entire amount of opium/heroin seized in that massive effort is somewhat less than one quarter of what a single TIR truck carries. .....
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Several former intelligence agents have given me their opinions which coincide with my own. Like the Gulf War that followed in the wake of Panama, it was only after several calls from the British Ambassedor in Washington that Bush finally plucked up enough courage to make his totally illegal move on General Noriega. That he was supported by the British press and the New York Times, a British intelligence run newspaper, speaks volumes.

Noriega was formerly the darling of the Washington establishment. He frequently hob-knobbed with William Casey and Oliver North and even met with President George Bush on at least two occasions. Noriega was often seen at the Pentagon where he was treated like one of those Arab potentates, and the red carpet was always laid out for him at CIA headquarters in Langley Virginia. U.S. Army Intelligence and the CIA are on record as having paid him $320,000.

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Bush was pressured by his British masters to conduct an illegal search and seizure operation in Panama that resulted in the deaths of no less than 7,000 Panamanians and wanton destruction of property. Nothing to implicate Noriega as a "drug dealer" was ever found, so he was kidnaped and brought to the U.S. in one of the most blatant examples of international brigandry in history. ........

It was a "lesser evil" lo kidnap Noriega, rather than have him up-end the banks in Panama ..... Nixon's Watergate transgressions pale into insignificance next to the many im peachable offenses committed by President Bush when he or dered the invasion of Panama to kidnap General Noriega.

The government case against Noriega is based upon perjured testimony by a group of big men, for the most part, already convicted and lying through their individual and collective teeth to gel their own sentences lightened. Their performance would have pleased Gilbert and Sullivan immensely, were they alive today. "......

Key dates conflict wildly, key details are altogether conspicuous by their absence, lapses of memory on crucial points all add up to the obvious fact that the government has no case against Noriega, .... One of the Justice Department's star witnesses is one Floyd Carlton Caceres, a former pilot for the Ochoa brothers. Following his arrest in 1986, Carlton tried to ease his position at the expense of Noriega.

He told his DEA interrogators that the Ochoa brothers had paid Noriega $600,000 to allow three planes loaded with coc aine to land and refuel in Panama. But once in court in Miami, it soon became apparent that what was billed as the "star witness" for the prosecution was at best damp squib. Under cross-examination the true story emerged: Far from being paid to allow the flights, Noriega wasn't even approached by the Ochoas. Worse yet, in December of 1983, Noriega had ordered that all flights to Panama from Medellin be refused permission to land in Panama. Carlton is not the only discredited witness.

One who is even a sorrier liar than Carlton is Carlos Lehder, who was a kingpin in the Medellin Cartel until he was arrested in Spain and sent to the U.S. Who gave the DEA the most vital information that Lehder was in Madrid? The DEA reluctantly concedes that they owe this important catch to Noriega. Now, however, the Justice Department is using Lehder as a witness against Noriega. If nothing else, this single witness demonstrates the wretchedness of the United States government's case against Manuel Noriega.

In return for services rendered, Lehder has been granted an easing of his sentence and far nicer quarters--a room with a view and television--and his family was given permanent res idence in the U.S. Robert Merkel, a former U.S. attorney who prosecuted Lehder in 1988 told the Washington Pose "I don't think the government should be in the business of dealing with Carlos Lehder, period. This guy is a liar from beginning to end.
he Justice Department, purely a name which bears no resemblance to what it is supposed to stand for, has pulled out all its dirty tricks against Noriega: illegally wire-tapping his conversations with his lawyer; appointing a government lawyer to pretend he was serving Noriega but who quit in the middle of everything; freezing his bank accounts so that Noriega is unable to conduct a proper defense; kidnaping, illegal search and seizure. You name it, the government has broken more laws than Noriega has ever done--if indeed he has broken any laws at all.

It is the U.S. Justice Department that is on trial tenfold more than General Noriega. The Noriega case shows the glaringly evil system that passes for "justice" in this country. The U.S. "war on drugs" is on trial as is the Bush Administration's so- called drug policy. The Noriega trial, although it will end in a violent and flagrant rape of justice, will nevertheless offer some compensation to those who are not blind, deaf and dumb........

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Cotton cloth finished goods exported to India undercut and destroyed the long-standing Indian producers of cotton finished goods trade. Terrible privation was endured by thousands of Indians thrown out of work as a result of cheaper British goods taking over their markets. India then became utterly dependent upon Britain to earn enough currency to pay for its railroads and finished cotton goods imports. There was only one solution to India's economic woes. Produce more opium and sell it for less to the British East India Company. This was the rock upon which British trade grew and flourished. Without its opium trade, Britain would have been as bankrupt.
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Only low echelon drug dealers get caught with drug money in their hands. The elite, Drexel Burnham, Credite Suisse, Hong Kong and Shanghai Bank, escape detection. But this, too, is changing with the collapse of Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) which is likely to expose a great deal about the drug trade if ever a proper investigation is carried out.

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In one of the Royal Institute of International Affairs top secret papers, the scenario is laid out as follows (in part):
"...having been failed by Christianity, and with unemployment on every hand, those who have been without jobs for five years or more will turn away from the church and seek solace in drugs. That is when full control of the drug trade must be completed in order that the governments of all countries who are under our jurisdiction will have a MONOPOLY which we will control through supply.... Drug bars will take care of the unruly and the discontent, would be revolutionaries will be turned into harmless addicts with no will of their own...."

....Some will question the involvement of the British royal families, past and present, in the drug trade. To see it in print appears on the surface to be preposterous, and it is being seen in print more often these days to make it appear exactly that, preposterous. The oldest maxim in the intelligence business is, "If you want to hide something, put it where everyone can see it.

F. S. Turner's book, "BRITISH OPIUM POLICY," pub lished in 1876, shows how the British monarchy and its hang- ers-on family relatives were deeply involved in the opium trade. Turner was the secretary of the Anglo Oriental Society of the Suppression of the Opium Trade. He declined to be silenced by Crown spokesperson Sir R. Temple. Turner stated that the gov ernment, and therefore the Crown, had to withdraw from the opium monopoly, "and if it takes any revenues at all, take only that which accrues from taxation honestly meant to have a restrictive force. "
....Rowntree's book, "THE IMPERIAL DRUG TRADE" gives a fascinating account of how Prime Minister Gladstone and his fellow plutocrats lied, cheated, twisted and turned to keep the astonishing truth of the involvement of the British monarchy in the opium trade from being exposed. Rowntree's book is a treasure house of information on the deep involvement of the British royal family and the lords and ladies of England and the huge fortunes they accumulated from the misery of the Chinese opium addicts.

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Nothing has changed in the opium-heroin-coc aine trade. It is still run by the same "upper class" families in Britain and the United States. It is still a fabulously profitable trade where what seem to be big losses through seizures by the authorities are written off in paneled boardrooms in New York, Hong Kong and London over port and cigars as "merely the cost of doing business, old boy."

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"In my 30-year history in the Drug Enforcement Administration and related agencies, the major targets of my investigations almost invariably turned out to be working for the CIA." --Dennis Dayle, former chief of an elite DEA enforcement unit.

"For decades, the CIA, the Pentagon, and secret organizations like Oliver North's Enterprise have been supporting and protecting the world's biggest drug dealers.... The Contras and some of their Central American allies ... have been documented by DEA as supplying ... at least 50 percent of our national coc aine consumption. They were the main conduit to the United States for Colombian coc aine during the 1980's. The rest of the drug supply ... came from other CIA-supported groups, such as DFS (the Mexican CIA) ... [and] other groups and/or individuals like Manual Noriega." (Ex-DEA agent Michael Levine: The Big White Lie: The CIA and the Cocaine/Crack Epidemic)

More on:

ciadrugs.homestead.com...
www.ciadrugs.com... (50 Years of CIA drug trafficking).

Google Video Link

Above: Michael Ruppert - CIA and Drug Running

Google Video Link

Above: The Secret History: CIA Drug Ops Conspiracy (unaired documentary)

www.youtube.com...
The CIA: America's Premier International Terrorist Organization www.serendipity.li...
A timeline of CIA atrocities: www.serendipity.li...
CIA support for death squads www.serendipity.li...
cans.

ciadrugs.homestead.com...

i]THE CIA: "COCAINE IMPORTING AGENCY"
on: www.angelfire.com...

The entirety of Rodney Stiche's exhaustive work of Biblical proportaions, "Defrauding America" can be read on: www.copi.com...

See also: ciadrugs.homestead.com...

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Originally posted by King Seesar




I think this picture represents a inside joke because at this point everytime i see it i laugh if i were 777 i'd trademark the dame thing....

There is an abundance of images on the Internet which establishes that dressing up in fancy dress costumes, with silly hats and aprons, or as Knight's Templars or whatever is an aspect of Freemasonry.

That being said i'm curious to see were this thread gos because i wanna see the people who don't like masonry and communism give there take on it, i already did but i wanna see were this gos...

Masonry is not an economic system; it is a Capitalist gang and a Messianic relgious cult which exists "within" the Capitalist system; Communism on the other hand is an economic system; there are of course those who are either ideologically confused or ideologically Nihlistic (i.e., they don't believe in anything, really) and are convinced by neither Capitalist solutions nor Communist solutions and would perhaps prefer to live in the Stone Age.

Lux


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Originally posted by Rockpuck

As Sky said.. there is a long history of Commies, Fascist and Monarchies censoring, killing, and arresting Freemasons .. to say there is a Masonic conspiracy against them is kind of absurd..

The Freemasons appear to be just one of many organised gangs of Capitalists; the Capitalist's long history of war, military coups, assassinations, state terrorism, narco-terrorism, global imperialism, etc., has not been a victimless crime. Since the ideological Capitalists are entirely militant, genocidal, imperialistic and have weapons of mass destruction, it is only to be expected that those of the political left will be antagonistic to Capitalist gangs, and should be encouraged to take a position of militant opposition. I should point out as a disclaimer that numerous other Capitalist gangs and organised religions can expect to face similar militant resistance in future Socialist revolutions.

Lux

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Originally posted by AlbertPike

Feeling that sympathy, it is his first Masonic duty to serve his fellow-man. ,..... for they too are his brethren, and God hears them, inarticulate as the moanings of their misery are......their voice is the voice of God......For though we do not know why God, being infinitely merciful as well as wise, has so ordered it, it seems to be unquestionably his law, .....

Morals & Dogma, Ch. XI

Good, God, godly, moral, and Religious Sophistry (ramblings).

It seems to be clear that Pike's writings are not really Pike's writings but a plagiarised collection of the writings of numerous philosophers and religionists.

"Good, God and Moral" are all important hypnotic keywords in religious indoctrination. An effect of religious hypnosis and indoctrination is that the acolyte comes to be convinced that they are "good, godly and moral" irrespective of their actual political ideology and behaviour; thus a person can be an ideological Capitalist, an economic slavemaster, a state terrorist, narco-terrorist collaborator, a loan shark, or whatever, and consider themselves to be "good, godly and moral" and expect to be eternally rewarded by their Capitalist Devil (i.e., God) in the afterlife. This is perhaps the attraction of Masonry to ideological Capitalists, bankers, the military etc., their God appears to be essentially a definition of a Capitalist Devil, for after all who else would love such economic parasites and assorted terrorist collaborators?

Lux

Originally posted by Lucifer777
Good, God, godly, moral, and Religious Sophistry (ramblings).

Oh, that's rich... Lucifer777 complaining about somebody besides himself rambling in one of his threads. Feeling threatened, Lou?

If the God stuff offends you, why don't you edit IT out and actually adress the other stuff Pike was saying in that passage. Sounds pretty much like Marxist philosophy to me...

The capitalist can live without employing the laborer, and discharges him whenever that labor ceases to be profitable. At the moment when the weather is most inclement, provisions dearest, and rents highest, he turns him off to starve. if the day-laborer is taken sick, his wages stop. When old, he has no pension to retire upon. His children cannot be sent to school; for before their bones are hardened they must get to work lest they starve. The man, strong and able-bodied, works for a shilling or two a day, and the woman shivering over her little pan of coals, when the mercury drops far below zero, after her hungry children have wailed themselves to sleep, sews by the dim light of her lonely candle, for a bare pittance, selling her life to him who bargained only for the work of her needle.
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How to deal with this apparently inevitable evil and mortal disease is by far the most important of all social problems. What is to be done with pauperism and over-supply of labor? How is the life of any country to last, when brutality and drunken semi-barbarism vote, and hold offices in their gift, and by fit representatives of themselves control a government?

Wasn't that what Marx & Engels were writing about?